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02:24<supermop>what's a good irc client for android?
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07:16<peter1139>Yes, I am.
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08:11<DigitalFox>Hello, good morning! :)
08:12<DigitalFox>I know most of the players here don't need the following topic, but what do you think:
08:20<peter1139>What am I looking at?
08:22<DigitalFox>A simple tutorial on how to make GRF Separators, nothing breathtaking :)
08:24*__ln__ @Prague
08:31<LordAro>@seen LordAro
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08:33<@planetmaker>why did I read that as "bottletesting"?
08:33*planetmaker goes and makes more tea
08:37<peter1139>Not sure what I need GRF Separators for.
08:38<V453000>it looks ogranized peter1139, but it isnt really useful
08:39<V453000>I still think that "using newGRF for everything is a must" is not the best approach though
08:39<V453000>which these separators usually come out of
08:40<@planetmaker>it's mostly useful when you don't know OpenTTD's filtering option for the grf list
08:41<@planetmaker>otherwise they make game exchange only more hasslesome. As one needs those very newgrfs as well in order to load savegames which use it
08:42<Diablo-D3>so will openttd ever have autodownload from bananna?
08:43<V453000>well if it is on bananas, it is ok
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08:43<@planetmaker>maybe. But that does not add a single yota to the solution of the issue I just mentioned
08:43<Diablo-D3>no, I was just asking
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08:44<@planetmaker>no-one knows the future. So who can tell?
08:44<V453000>meh, :)
08:44<Diablo-D3>btw, does have an irc channel on this network?
08:45<peter1139> looks like a domain name to me.
08:46<peter1139>Ah look, there's a website there, with contact details on it.
08:46<Diablo-D3>meh, its some weirdo irc channel
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09:30<NGC982_>I think i need help to understand this
09:30<NGC982_>I want an order that skips the current order and does something else when reliability is lower than 65.
09:30<NGC982_>I thought i did it right, but it seems i did not.
09:31<peter1139>I see the problem. It's in a funny language.
09:32<V453000>peter1139 is correct
09:34<@planetmaker>NGC982_, it will work. But the check is only done once, when the conditional order is actually reached. When the reliability after it was considered drops, the next order is still executed
09:34<NGC982_>Ah, i see.
09:35<@planetmaker>so your vehicle had a reliability of >=65 when the check was done, pretty sure. But then drove around long enough to loose another 10%
09:36<peter1139>What do the conditional orders do?
09:36<@planetmaker>jump :P
09:36<peter1139>In this instance, obviously.
09:36<peter1139>I kinda wasn't joking about the langauge :p
09:37<@planetmaker>if reliability <= 65 goto order XY
09:37<@planetmaker>and the order XY is goto nearest depot
09:37<peter1139>Why would you use conditional orders for that?
09:37<@planetmaker>that's my interpretation without being able to speak finnish
09:37<@planetmaker>maybe it's a fixed depot. dunno :)
09:38<peter1139>Vehicles already go to a depot when they need to...
09:38<@planetmaker>they should, indeed
09:40<V453000>it has some uses, for example if you make an impossible conditional, the vehicle will never go to depot because it has it fulfilled in the depot already ... which can be useful for autoreplacing - trains autoreplace only when you force them to a depot; which gives you a lot of control ... not particularly good for road vehicles :D
09:41<@planetmaker>lol. But indeed, you can play the order system like that
09:41<V453000>I still think it is better to simply put your depots in the right places, but well in some specific case it might be reasonable
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09:42<peter1139>If you need a specific depot, then you can use the service at depot order item.
09:43<V453000>that is pretty bad as you can accidentally remove that depot at any point in the game
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09:43<V453000>waypoint -> go to nearest depot works better
09:43<V453000>but even that is just pointless extra effort
09:43<peter1139>then you get invalid order warnings
09:44<V453000>why would you get invalid order warning
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10:25<peter1139>If the depot was removed...
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10:49<DigitalFox>bye :)
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12:50<V453000>OzTrans loves me too (: I think we will get married
13:01<peter1139>Gosh, bold and capitals...
13:03<V453000>that is pure love peter1139 , you wouldnt understand
13:06*Alberth is glad not to understand that
13:07<V453000>unfortunately for you Alberth, you do understand it
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13:13<@Alberth>it's mostly a waste of letters, imho
13:13<V453000>that I am very aware of, I just let him eat his own shit
13:13<V453000>thinking it is anyhow useful and/or going to convince him about anything would be plain utopistic
13:19<toobored`>hallo :)
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13:26<toobored`>I live in Greece and I had to reach the airport today (250km)... they have dismantled our train network completely
13:27<toobored`>we used to have some intercity trains connecting us to the capital but now that's dysfunctional as well :(
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r26662 trunk/src/lang/lithuanian.txt (2014-06-23 17:45:13 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>lithuanian - 40 changes by Stabilitronas
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14:11<Wolf01>hi hi
14:12<@Alberth>\o o/
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14:44<fonsinchen>Party on V453000, give those pesky Canadians what they deserve!
14:45*fonsinchen gets more chips and beer
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14:47<V453000>I just loved the part where he tells me I have no idea ... while I might not be the most experienced, still... :D
14:47<V453000>I am still missing his "Greater reasons" though
14:58<fonsinchen>Some people have just such immense egos that you cannot avoid bumping into them here and there.
14:58<fonsinchen>Just ignore it.
14:59<fonsinchen>I mean, such a fuss over a bunch of numbers without any actual problem sort of speaks for itself.
15:05<@planetmaker>why is that topic still alive? Just don't feed the trolls...
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15:15<@Alberth>andythenorth: seen my glitchy squid fish picture yesterday?
15:16<andythenorth>is it on devzone? o_O
15:16<@Alberth>it could be :)
15:17<@Alberth>only seems to be happening when loading but not getting cargo
15:17<@Alberth>in this case cdist was recalculating new routes
15:18<andythenorth>sprite’s too big
15:18<andythenorth>happens in depots as well
15:18<andythenorth>is my guess
15:18<andythenorth>might be something else, dunno
15:19<MTsPony>why does disablng full animations not affect grf animations?
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15:30<frosch123>because still noone got around to rename it to "palette animation"
15:31<frosch123>just like noone managed to rename "full details" into "road and track borders"
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15:31<frosch123>but i guess, all names are stupid :p
15:31<frosch123>removing them is likely the best solution :p
15:32<andythenorth>move them to the invisibility palette
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15:38<MTsPony>thanks for the smartass response
15:39<@planetmaker>no point to become offensive. That's the actual answer. And NewGRFs use other animation
15:39<MTsPony>sorry if it offended you
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15:54<andythenorth>he wasn’t offended :)
15:54<andythenorth>just a factual answer :)
15:56<andythenorth>wtf are these chrome notifications?
15:56<andythenorth>I didn’t ask for these on my mac
15:56<andythenorth>they just appeared
15:59<andythenorth>I fear a world designed by google
15:59<andythenorth>if the choice came down to ‘Google’, or ‘the Ghost of Steve Jobs'
16:00<andythenorth>I’d pick the spectre every time
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16:33<andythenorth>bloody autoreplace fail
16:33<andythenorth>I’d forgotten about this
16:33<andythenorth>I have fucked up Iron Horse somehow so that some vehicles won’t autoreplace
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16:41<andythenorth>50,000hp, 299mph, 50,000l pump
16:41<andythenorth>or 60,000hp, 218mph, 60,000l
16:41<andythenorth>such interesting choices :P
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16:50<@Alberth>use the insanely fast one :p
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16:52<andythenorth>V453000: this PIPE thing is still worth a look :P
16:52<andythenorth>even if I have to help you with industries
16:53<V453000>well I want no slavery, I will just need to put together 2 industries, rest is just copypaste more or less, I can do that :)
16:53<V453000>but yeah I could draw some pipey thing
16:54<andythenorth>maybe I just include it in Iron Horse :P
16:54<andythenorth>Iron Pipe
16:54<V453000>I would just add it as a separate newGRF I think
16:56<andythenorth>that would need a grfid
16:56<andythenorth>grfids are scarce
16:57<V453000>funnily enough my initials are VB, not HA which NUTS has :P
17:00<andythenorth>you should have use LOL
17:00<andythenorth>used *
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17:44<Wolf01>'night all
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18:07<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: would you like to check my math? :p
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18:17<Eddi|zuHause>what math?
18:17<frosch123> <- stochastics
18:22<Eddi|zuHause>so, OzTrans has violated the first rule of trolling. don't respond... (neither if you're the troll, nor if you are being trolled)
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18:25<Eddi|zuHause>and V453000 of course violates it as well immediately :p
18:25<V453000>I am innocent on all levels
18:27<V453000>plus replying is fun
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20:18<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: so you guys shoot rockets into children's bedrooms now?
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20:38<V453000>very nice summary Eddi
21:08<Eddi|zuHause>also a nice quote i could have used was "there is probably a world market for 6 computers" (said by the founder of IBM)
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