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00:52<iCookRice>anyone care to do some teaching?
00:53<Eddi|zuHause>anyone care to do some metaquestions?
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01:47<Eddi|zuHause>new xkcd somehow reminds me of http://web.archive.org/web/20120510105843/http://shop.etel-tuning.de/20-kabel-und-adapter
01:50<Eddi|zuHause>especially http://web.archive.org/web/20120603054608/http://shop.etel-tuning.de/kabel-und-adapter/95-adapter-drehstrom-auf-gardena.html :)
02:13<@peter1138>New?
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02:34<Eddi|zuHause>well, for certain values of "new"
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05:17<Wolf01>hi hi
05:17<__ln__>hi telecom italia
05:21<Wolf01>shhh half of the italian news sites is unreachable today
05:28<Wolf01>mmh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roller_ship weird
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05:37<rer>Anyone wanna earn daily profits of 150$ to 500$ now with Copy system in Forex? real, sure, safe, fast, easy, start with very small capital invest 50$ or more, free guide, tips, training, msg me for any details or add skype : benjordan201
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06:21<Callidus>Morning
06:39<@planetmaker>moin
06:39<keoz>hi !
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06:40<keoz>planetmaker: is there some specific correct way to initialise the repo on openttdcoop ?
06:40<keoz>Was thinking just to make a hg clone local_repo distant_repo, but is this good ?
06:58<@planetmaker>hi :)
06:59<@planetmaker>you might just do that, yes. I'd go the other way, though: clone the distant (empty) one and merge that with your local. And then push back
06:59<@planetmaker>^ keoz
07:00<keoz>Ok, i'll do that, then. But how is it that I don't see any .hg on the repo ?
07:05<LordAro>hidden file?
07:05<keoz>That was my assumption :p
07:06<keoz>still, normal "." hidden files are shown on the other repo's, hence ...
07:20<@planetmaker>keoz, where do you expect to see the .hg ?
07:20<@planetmaker>when you work with mercurial, it will never show you a .hg dir... that's where it stores its data in
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07:23<keoz>Yes. I was thinking as the distant repository as an exact equivalent of the working dir, which is not.
07:26<keoz>Anyway. Everything works now. :)
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07:34<__ln__>ave caseus
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07:38<@planetmaker>keoz, there's a difference between the 'working dir' and the 'repository'
07:38<@planetmaker>the repository is everything in the .hg dir
07:38<@planetmaker>the working dir is whatever revision you checked out
07:46<keoz>That was already clear. But I thought that on the server - as locally - there was the equivalent of working dir + its .hg
07:49<@planetmaker>no, the server has a bare repository. It has no need for a checkout
07:51<@planetmaker>anyhow, on https://hg.openttdcoop.org/gs-rcg you can browse it like if it was checked-out
07:51<@planetmaker>(or with the repo-view in redmine, too)
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07:54<keoz>yeah, I get it now.
07:56<keoz>that also answers the question I had in mind before, to know how is performed the "hg update" on the server after pushing. There's just no need of it.
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09:47<__ln__>http://particle-clicker.web.cern.ch/particle-clicker/
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10:22<Eddi|zuHause>is it funny or sad that the exact thing happened that i predicted 3 years ago?
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10:49<Pikka>makes sense to me
10:54<Pikka>should make train clicker, make a fortune
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11:18<Wolf01>__ln__ what. have. you. done.
11:20<@planetmaker>yeah, ugly link ;)
11:20<@planetmaker>Eddi|zuHause, indeed, I find that mightily amusing :)
11:21<@planetmaker>one cannot assume that people are interested in technical details when all they want to do is just play the game
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11:29<Wolf01>it would be really cool if it really helps research, something like the seti@home
11:29<@Alberth>opinions differ on whether that counts as research :[
11:29<@Alberth>* :)
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11:30<@Alberth>I ran climateprediction jobs for some time, but the jobs aren't compatible with my current system
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11:31<Wolf01>then we should blame you if now they can't predict the climate correctly
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11:52<@Alberth>together with the zillion other volunteers :p
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12:25<Eddi|zuHause>Conspiracy Theory of the Day (tm): russia is behind the destabilization in iraq, to distract from ukraine
12:30<keoz>Contra: it's not in their interest to support groups who are weakening Assad's power in Syria.
12:30<Rubidium>wasn't Russia the only one against some resolution about Syria in the security council
12:31<Eddi|zuHause>keoz: a good conspiracy theory is not defied by logic :p
12:31<keoz>Obviously :p
12:31<keoz>Rubidium: China also.
12:38<frosch123>what did eddi predict 3 years ago?
12:39<LordAro>the world would end Dec 2012?
12:40<Eddi|zuHause>LordAro: or maybe Hex 2012?
12:41<LordAro>:p
12:41<Eddi|zuHause>everybody knows the world ends in 2038
12:41<@Alberth>nah, only 32 bit systems will crash
12:42<Eddi|zuHause>Alberth: but in 2038 those will be the "well, this always just worked and we didn't upgrade, and nobody knows anymore what it does" kind of computers
12:43<Eddi|zuHause>Alberth: same way that in the 1980s nobody was really concerned about storing years in 2 digits
12:44<@Alberth>yeah, and 2k didn't cause enough damage to learn from, I guess
12:44<@Alberth>although a lot of damage was done beforehand, in getting rid of the problem by reverse engineering and what not
12:45<LordAro>well all the banking industry's remaining COBOL programs will break, i'd think :p
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12:46<Eddi|zuHause>one would assume that COBOL programs are older than the unix epoch
12:46<Eddi|zuHause>if i was to expect a class of programs to NOT be affected by 2038, then it would be COBOL programs
12:47<Eddi|zuHause>(but those would be the primary kind affected by y2k)
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12:48<@peter1138>Yeah, no 32 bit integers containing seconds, but lots of 2 character years...
12:48<Eddi|zuHause>cobol is naturally very BCD-y, and not affected by 32bit limits
12:48<@peter1138>Remember when CPUs had BCD modes?
12:48*Alberth raises hand
12:48<Eddi|zuHause>no :)
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12:49<@peter1138>Mind you, I guess if x86 ever did, then many still do :)
12:50<Eddi|zuHause>i did come across BCD recently in Siemens PLCs, though
12:50<@peter1138>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_BCD_opcode
12:56<frosch123>question is though, is there some common bit trickery that makes use of them
12:56<frosch123>or are they broken on various cpu models with noone noticing
12:58<@peter1138>Or, indeed, both :)
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13:02<Eddi|zuHause>the funny thing is, 64-bit unix epoch likely lasts beyond the end of the universe :p
13:03<@Alberth>long enough for me :)
13:14<Eddi|zuHause>"German court decides: Dashcams are illegal, if they are used to pass the material on to 3rd parties like the police or youtube"
13:24<@peter1138>Huh?
13:25<Eddi|zuHause>i suppose it follows the same reasoning of surveillance cameras being illegal if they point to public areas
13:27<Eddi|zuHause>you can film people who enter your door, but not people who pass by your door on the pavement
13:28<Eddi|zuHause>and with dashcams you by definition film people that just pass by on public roads
13:29<Eddi|zuHause>which infringes on their right of passing by somewhere without being filmed
13:30<Eddi|zuHause>this particular court case is about a lawyer who drives around an sues people for traffic violations
13:32<@peter1138>I don't see how an individual can sue someone for traffic violations... that's a state issue.
13:32<Eddi|zuHause>sue is probably the wrong word
13:33<@peter1138>Report to the authorities?
13:33<Prof_Frink>Extorts?
13:34<Eddi|zuHause>yes. report to the police, with the footage
13:34<Eddi|zuHause>and the court now decided that taking the footage with the explicit intent to give it to the police is illegal
13:35<Yotson>the name of that lawyer is in public documents?
13:36<@peter1138>So, let's say someone is breaking into a neighbour's house... is recording that for evidence also illegal?
13:38<Eddi|zuHause>peter1138: if you happen to have a camera in hand and record it live, probably not. but it is if you point your surveillance camera on your neighbours door in general
13:38<Eddi|zuHause>Yotson: no idea, the newspaper doesn't say the name
13:39<Eddi|zuHause>only gender, occupation and general area
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13:39<Prof_Frink>I would think in that case you would be able to get (retrospective) consent to the recording.
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13:45<@peter1138>Hmm, already not allowed in Austria apparently.
13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r26728 trunk/src/lang/croatian.txt (2014-08-12 17:45:22 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>croatian - 1 changes by VoyagerOne
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14:09<Eddi|zuHause>"Dascams are forbidden in Austria, Belgium, Luxemburg and Portugal, but allowed in the Netherlands, Denmark, France, Great Britain, Spain, Italy, Malta, Norway, Serbia and Bosnia-Herzegowina"
14:09<Eddi|zuHause>+h
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19:55<Wolf01>'night
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