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---Logopened Fri Oct 31 00:00:36 2014
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04:48<@planetmaker>moin
04:49<supermop>hi planetmaker
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04:50<supermop>hows europe this friday?
04:51<supermop>was quite nice here - pretty hot already
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05:25<@peter1138>Pom te pom
05:25<@peter1138>Out of 400+ CDs ripped, only one has a hidden track 1.
05:35<@planetmaker>currently... sunny, fresh air, slight southerly(?) breeze. Not bad. But work :(
05:38<@peter1138>Oh bah, I've lost my superglue again.
05:39<NGC3982>I feel way under qualified for supybot with soap
05:39<NGC3982>I didn't really understand how to connect the actual server to the bot.
05:39*NGC3982 needs more time.
05:42<@planetmaker>you connect the bot to the server. not vice versa ;)
05:48<__ln__>except in soviet russia
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05:53<supermop>off to dinner
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05:54<Xaroth|Work>NGC3982: and you make sure the admin port is active on the server
05:55<NGC3982>Xaroth|Work: Yes, i did. I think i did something wrong with the ofs configuration files.
05:55<NGC3982>But no worries, i need to cleanse my .openttd and redo it properly.
05:56<NGC3982>Obviosly nothing to do in the middle of the night with little time to spare.
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08:48<headbang>hi, ive installed zbase and i guess most 32bpp addons, but there are still 8bpp stuff in the game. Is development so far i can run a total 32bpp game?
08:59<@peter1138>I guess you are using non-32bpp addons.
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09:05<@planetmaker>headbang, yes, you can play only using 32bpp. But don't add NewGRFs then which don't support 32bpp
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09:07<@planetmaker>(and that basically means: most NewGRFs will spoil it)
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09:08<insulfrog>hi
09:08<headbang>planetmaker: ok thank you , got caught in the game for a while :)
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09:18<@planetmaker>insulfrog, you're using a base set. Every bet on that ;)
09:18<insulfrog>i know but I should have put 'custom base set'
09:18<insulfrog>my bad :)
09:19<@planetmaker>what would be a 'custom base set'? You mean a non-pirated one?
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09:19<insulfrog>in other words, not using OpenGFX or Zbase
09:20<@planetmaker>base set has absolutely no influence on how the game works... so it really does not matter. And the biggest legal problem could arise from using the commercially sold / pirated one. Just saying ;)
09:21<@planetmaker>i.e. the "original" :P
09:21<insulfrog>ok
09:22<insulfrog>what would you suggest?
09:22<@planetmaker>do whatever movies and screenshots you like and publish them whereever and whenever you like
09:22<headbang>is it being streamed on twitch already? :)
09:22<@planetmaker>yes, I'm serious
09:23<@planetmaker>every legislation should know something like fair use - even if someone would want to claim infringement on posting screenshots from a game you play
09:24<insulfrog>its just the fact that I just need clarifying some stuff before I do anything stupid, which I believe is the smart thing to do
09:25<@planetmaker>but I think the sheer number of "let's play it" available shows the answer to your question
09:25<@planetmaker>mind, I'm no laywer
09:25<@planetmaker>and stupidity is endless ;)
09:25<insulfrog>true
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09:29<insulfrog>I am currently reviewing the footage that I have recorded at the minute :)
09:30<insulfrog>before I post it
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09:32<headbang>if you have multiples trains on one track but forgot to make a shared order can u mass make it after?
09:34<@peter1138>planetmaker, agreed.
09:34<@peter1138>Apparently some publishers are stupid.
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09:51<headbang>hmm i ordered to change trains now, and it does show the yellow return signal on the replacement screen, but they dont renew their trains
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09:53<headbang>i can select trains there which i cant buy yet. that would be it i guess
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10:07<@peter1138>Nope.
10:07<headbang>i figure its cause its what track its gonna ride on
10:08<headbang>?
10:08<@peter1138>Yup, most likely.
10:08<@peter1138>So you're probably seeing elrail engines when you don't have eletrified tracks.
10:08<headbang>Yes, that was it
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10:09<headbang>Build my first functional big trainstation connection
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10:38<Headbang>can you connect a harbor straight to a railstation?
10:38<andythenorth>try it and see
10:41<Headbang>hmm seems they werent on same ground level :)
10:50<Headbang>sorry should stop the noob questions , have to get into it a bit
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16:07<Wolf01>hi hi
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16:56<@Alberth>o/
16:58<@peter1138>humz
16:58<NGC3982>:(
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17:35<NGC3982>I have a P4 server today, and it runs several dedicated OpenTTD servers without a problem
17:35<NGC3982>How about an Atom220 Aspire Revo?
17:35<NGC3982>Would it be equal? Or is the single-core better for ttd servers?
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17:40<Eddi|zuHause>atom doesn't sound like something you'd want to run a server on...
17:40<FLHerne>NGC3982: Single-core is always better for OTTD than a dual-core with the same overall speed
17:41<FLHerne>OTOH, with CargoDist and server autosaving, a second core is at least useful now
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17:50<NGC3982>I see.
17:50<NGC3982>The Revo is complete crap in Windows
17:50<NGC3982>I can barely use normal desktop enviroment
17:52<Eddi|zuHause>man these private space ships are dropping like flies...
18:03<@peter1138>Running multiple servers, of course multiple cores is better.
18:04<NGC3982>Yes, and he have had that discussion before
18:04<NGC3982>And yes, that can be an advantage.
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18:05<NGC3982>The issue is that i feel the individual core to be the suckiest of suck.
18:05<@peter1138>An ancient P4 is probably faster than a shitty Atom, though.
18:05<NGC3982>I actually surprised me
18:05<@peter1138>Why? Atoms were always low-cost low-power devices.
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18:05<NGC3982>No, the performance in linux of the P4.
18:06<NGC3982>with*
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18:06<@peter1138>I imagine a fresh install of Windows would be quite nippy.
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18:07<Taede>meh
18:08<Taede>i installed windows on a celeron900 today (singlecore). its faster, but not by much by the time all updates and necessary software (antivirus) have been installed
18:09<@peter1138>That's no longer fresh :)
18:09<Taede>hehe
18:09<NGC3982>peter1138: There was a huge difference between Windows 7 on the P4 and the Atom.
18:09<Taede>at least all the popups are gone
18:09<Eddi|zuHause>modern CPU's single core performance has probably not increased that much since the P4
18:10<NGC3982>It's like an old Lamborghini tractor
18:10<@peter1138>core2/i5/i7 is rather faster per core, but atoms and celerons are low-end CPUs.
18:11<NGC3982>I really like the i5/i7.
18:11<NGC3982>My work computer is the lowest kind of i5, and my new home computer uses the newest one.
18:11<NGC3982>Big difference, but it's still a big jump from older CPUs.
18:12<@peter1138>AMD still suck, though.
18:14<Jinassi>just fixed a comp with gigabyte ga-7400L mobo and amd sempron, so many old memories and horrors surfaced, i'm suprised there's not so many psychs that counsel techies
18:14<Jinassi>they sucked and still suck
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18:18<@peter1138>AMD like to introduce new shit which isn't clearly better than the last lot.
18:18<@peter1138>I don't know where Phenom fits in these days.
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18:22<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: P4 had an hillariously long pipeline. while it ran at insane clock rates, if was actually quite inefficient. so modern cpu can beat it even with lower clock rate
18:23<Eddi|zuHause>i really don't follow CPU development...
18:24<frosch123>me neither; but i know some people who cannot stop talking about it :p
18:29<@peter1138>Yeah, that pipeline was toast on branching.
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19:18<argoneus>good evening train friends
19:18<supermop>good morning
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19:31<frosch123>night
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20:20<Wolf01>'night all
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22:11<Jinassi>yo devs and gods alike, what's the minimum specs on memory to run a server? if you ll asleep I might even grow some brain and check it myself
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22:19<argoneus>Jinassi: I think you'll be fine with ~128 MB of memory for ~10 players
22:19<argoneus>the game is heavily optimized
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22:25<Jinassi>thank you a lot
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