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---Logopened Wed Nov 12 00:00:53 2014
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01:19<Supercheese>Ho, another oddball xkcd
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01:21<ginko>Can I get rid of some Industry / a village?
01:21<ginko>They are in the way
01:26<Supercheese>Yep, use magic bulldozer cheat
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01:56<ginko>Supercheese thanks
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02:27<Dakkus>ginko: There's a setting called something like "Allow destroying more town-owned property such as bridges and houses"
02:27<Dakkus>ginko: Enable that and then bribe the town like hell ;)
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02:36<voratius>I just removed 200 population from a city by starting a bus route...
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02:50<Supercheese>Weird, the Portuguese for "Wood" is "Madeira" and the Portuguese for Lumber (FIRS) is also "Madeira"....
02:51<Supercheese>seems quite ambiguous
02:51<supermop>what about the type of wine?
02:51<Supercheese>Spanish opts for Wood -> Madera; Lumber -> Tablas
02:52<Supercheese>so, planks/boards then
02:54<supermop>are their different translations for Portugal and Brazil?
02:55<Supercheese>in general yes, both do Madeira/Madeira here though
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02:58<@peter1138>Madeira, my dear?
02:58<@peter1138>voratius, normal :p
03:04<supermop>maybe they all hated that town are were waiting for a bus to leave
03:04<@peter1138>When towns start to grow they also start replacing existing buildings.
03:04<@peter1138>And while it's empty, the population drops.
03:05<voratius>does transporting passengers/mail/goods to the town help with growth?
03:07<Supercheese>yes, although transporting anything within the town will help, not just those cargoes
03:08<Supercheese>any serviced stations nearby (up to 5) increase town growth IIRC
03:08<@planetmaker>also moin
03:09<voratius>trains are for long distance+high capacity cargo, right? or are they for just high capacity?
03:10<@planetmaker>yes. and yes :P
03:11<Supercheese>Ships are the highest route capacity - namely, infinite
03:11<voratius>how many tiles is long distance? 50+?
03:11<Sylf>trains are for everything
03:11<Supercheese>but really, pick what you want
03:11<Sylf>even for moving stuff for 1 tile
03:11<Supercheese>the game is pretty much just "build stuff, have fun"
03:11<Supercheese>or at least that's how I see it
03:12<voratius>don't go broke ;-;
03:12<Supercheese>there are always money cheats for that
03:13<Sylf>I'm close to proposing not calling those cheat anymore - just a money booster for sandbox games
03:13<b_jonas>The game has more than one way to play and enjoy
03:14<Supercheese>Yeah, Sandbox Mode is a fun way to play, but then again so is a Cargo Goal
03:15<ginko>This game is addictive...
03:15<voratius>so far, yeah
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03:45<supermop>i just got "alcohol valley" as a goal in SV
03:45<supermop>tiny extra heightlevel mountainous japan map in tropical/heart of darkness
03:46<supermop>and my town is surrounded by coffee! so it looks like we will be brewing some moonshine from coffee cherries
03:46<@planetmaker>haha. Have a good evening then with your alcohol valley :P
03:46<@planetmaker>irish coffee is surely in the offer there
03:47<supermop>odd that firs coffee plantations produce fruit
03:48<supermop>but really no reason you couldnt ferment the outer part of coffee cherries. I doubt it would taste good
03:48<@planetmaker>it's a reasonable simplification, isn't it?
03:48<Supercheese>I figure textile mills should produce fruit, y'know, Fruit of the Loom™
03:49<V453000>everything should produce and accept beer
03:49<V453000>hm I should make that industry set
03:52<@planetmaker>V453000, no, no. you need something along with the beer. Like cheese sticks or so :P
03:57<V453000>that doesnt make sense pm
04:03<ginko>If I have 2 oil refineries next to each other and build a station in the middle, do both automatically get oil, or just one (does this make more profit(?), as one would take all the oil too)
04:04<V453000>the closer one
04:04<V453000>gets everything
04:05<V453000>... closer refinery to the station sign where you unload it
04:05<@planetmaker>and for profit only the distance of the station signs matters
04:05<ginko>V453000 k thanks
04:05<ginko>Rails are complicated :D
04:06<Eddi|zuHause>i found that drinking beer while eating food emphasises how terrible the beer actually tastes...
04:07<@planetmaker>we recently did a test... which beer is which in a blind tasting contest. It was a total disaster
04:07<@peter1138>It's like medicine, it tastes bad so it must be good for you...
04:07<@planetmaker>correctly attributed beer names were not more than random chance allows
04:07<@planetmaker>that explicitly includes the one dark beer among those
04:08<@peter1138>Chilled beer?
04:08<Eddi|zuHause>well, we did one of those as well, and every second one was Oettinger :p
04:09<Eddi|zuHause>peter1138: freshly warmed up servisia?
04:09<@planetmaker>peter1138, sure. Or do you like your beer luke warm? Like Asterix comics suggests?
04:10<@peter1138>planetmaker, I'm british, so...
04:10<argoneus>did anyone say ASTERIX COMICS
04:10<@planetmaker>oh, so that is even true :P
04:10<@peter1138>planetmaker, chilled, but not fridge-temperature.
04:11<@planetmaker>the longer we tried to put names to the single bottles, the warmer it got ;)
04:11<@planetmaker>it sure started with fridge temperatures, thus like 4°C or so
04:11<@peter1138>Of course, lagers should be drunk chilled, but then they taste like shit anyway.
04:11<@peter1138>4°C hides the flavours of a nice ale.
04:11<@planetmaker>maybe 8°C. Dunno my fridge temperature
04:12<@planetmaker>mostly different Pils
04:12<supermop>no point trying to taste test pilsners
04:12<supermop>unless you are a masochist
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04:15<@planetmaker>supermop, nothing masochist about a Pilsner ;)
04:16<Supercheese>unless you're allergic to hops
04:16<Supercheese>or something
04:16<V453000>finally someone with and educated opinion [10:07] <@peter1138> It's like medicine, it tastes bad so it must be good for you...
04:18<argoneus>it's funny because beer is actually healthy
04:18<argoneus>in moderate doses
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04:23<Supercheese>whoah, Latin is locked on the webtranslator
04:24<Supercheese>quite odd, I wonder if I did something wrong...
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04:25<Supercheese>some syntax issues perhaps
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04:25<Supercheese>oh I forgot to change the genders on all the cases
04:26<@planetmaker>no idea how to change that, tbh
04:30<Supercheese>Yeah, I messed up the genders on some of the _FRUIT strings
04:31<Supercheese>may be the source of some syntax complaints
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04:44<Marshy>Are newGRFs nowadays being released with more focus on gameplay or on realism? There seems to be a difference in 'realistic' players compared to players who simply want good gameplay out of new releases.
04:44<Marshy>And realism doesn't always mean it works well for gameplay purposes
04:44<Marshy>This NARS topic seems to be proving this
04:45<argoneus>Marshy: ask V453000
04:45<argoneus>I think there's a lot of grfs to choose from
04:46<argoneus>depending on what you want
04:46<argoneus>NUTS is nice
04:46<Marshy>I know, you can make the game as realistic as you want, but it seems people are getting sensitive and upset when particular loco's are not being included and regearing etc
04:48<Supercheese>I think what's not being stated is, "I'm upset because I wanted NARS 2.5 to be the same as NARS 2.03 but with Autorefit"
04:48<Supercheese>but that's just me reading between the lines
04:48<Marshy>Just seems strange to me, its been a number of years since I was last active until a couple weeks ago, and each release seems to be met with mixed reaction, like there is a barrier between realism and gameplay, and if the creator has made a set with gameplay in mind, there are complaints against the missing realism factor
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04:49<Marshy>Everyone used to be so appreciative of new creations and additions, theres alot of pessimism
04:50<V453000>in short users are spoilt cunts
04:50<V453000>welcome to openttd world :P
04:50<Marshy>and thanks :P
04:50<V453000>newgrfs are made "for the people" and artists are property of "the community"
04:50<SpComb>everyone should just stick with dbsetxlw.grf and we'd be fine
04:51<V453000>SpComb: sure get it to bananas first :P
04:51<Marshy>I've not gathered alot of GRFs yet, and so far I'm perfectly happy with a nice stations set, a nice vehicle set, and a few other bits and bobs like Marico and nogridland
04:51<Supercheese>Sort of like, back when there were only three flavors, chocolate strawberry and vanilla, everyone knew what they wanted and why they wanted it. Now that Baskin Robbins came along with 31 flavors, no one knows which flavor they want any more
04:51<Marshy>It's like there is just no pleasing the masses
04:52<Supercheese>although perhaps that's an overly American analogy :P
04:52<V453000>indeed, but you can choose an intelligent part of the masses and please them with a functional set, like NUTS :)
04:53<V453000>many hate it, many love it, the people I care about like it :)
04:53<Marshy>"There are so many trainsets to use and explore, and upon your new release I'm so unhappy that even with all of these engines to use (which there is a HUGE selection of) you havn't included the F460-P Yellowstone Ltd Edition that ran between x and x in year 1954 in x livery"
04:53<Eddi|zuHause>you don't care about me :(
04:53<Marshy>I've not tried it yet V, but I will certainly give it a go :)
04:54<@planetmaker>Marshy, some people will always throw a tantrum when something changes (despite they could always continue to use the old(er) versions)
04:54<Marshy>That was my point in the topic
04:54<Marshy>Nobody is forcing you to use the latest edition
04:54<Marshy>Proper head scratcher
04:55<V453000>oh yeah and that XD
04:55<Marshy>I've seen the word 'foamer' thrown around quite a bit and its ringing true
04:55<Marshy>gameplayers vs trainspotters
04:55<@planetmaker>yes. But then, this game caters for both. Which is fine
04:56<argoneus>do people even spot trains
04:56<@planetmaker>it's just that some people think that their way is the only way
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04:56<@planetmaker>that's where they start to err :)
04:56<argoneus>I thought that was only dominant with airplanes
04:56<argoneus>"wow there's this airplane that's landing, get the camera"
04:56<argoneus>"woooooow the airplane has wings, and it landed!!! wooooooow"
04:56*planetmaker spots a spacecraft to land today. Much rather
04:57<argoneus>spacecraft I understand, that's a new thing
04:57<@planetmaker>and no, it hasn't got wings
04:57<argoneus>but airplanes land every minute
04:57<argoneus>why do people care that a specific type lands
04:57<argoneus>they all look similar anyway
04:57<argoneus>because it's almost optimal design in terms of effectiveness
04:57<@planetmaker>why do people care about anything? because they like it
04:57<@planetmaker>flying is fun
04:57<argoneus>flying is fun
04:57<Marshy>Of course they do, and this video proves it
04:57<argoneus>but standing behind the fence in rain just to see a random airplane land
04:57<Marshy>sexual horn
04:57<argoneus>seems boring
04:58<@planetmaker>you're no engineer ;)
04:58<argoneus>they aren't either
04:58<Eddi|zuHause>"they all look the same" is very racist :p
04:58<argoneus>inb4 I get banned for racist propaganda again
04:58<Eddi|zuHause>it's really the same as bird watchers
04:59<Eddi|zuHause>or people that freak out when certain sport cars come along the road
04:59<argoneus>but they don't set up a camp along the highway
05:00<argoneus>because a certain car will pass them at 200 mph in 3 hours
05:00<Eddi|zuHause>everybody has some field of interest that other people won't get
05:00<argoneus>but I have friends
05:00<Eddi|zuHause>but that is only because the route of the car is too difficult to predict 3 hours in advance
05:01<argoneus>that literally look up a chart "guys this airbus from china will be landing here on friday" and then they make plans to get up a 3 AM and drive there
05:01<Eddi|zuHause>there would certainly be people doing that
05:01<argoneus>just to see it land, and then they go home
05:01<argoneus>I just don't get it
05:01<Eddi|zuHause>you don't have to get it.
05:01<argoneus>what will they be able to see at 4 AM anyway
05:01<argoneus>it's pitch black
05:01<Marshy>It's understandable that people have this interest, and good for them, I just don't get why they are focussing on what's 'missing' rather than what they are given, and NARS is jam packed
05:01<Eddi|zuHause>they exist. leave them be.
05:02<argoneus>I'm not telling them not to be
05:02<argoneus>I'm happy they have something fun
05:02<argoneus>everyone should have a fun hobby
05:02<argoneus>I just don't get it, that' sall
05:02<@planetmaker>that doesn't matter that you don't get it ;)
05:03<argoneus>(I know)
05:03<Marshy>Everyone makes fun of me because I'm interested in pro wrestling and F1
05:03<Eddi|zuHause>Marshy: there was an experiment once: some people on the street were randomly given 50€, and another 50€ if they answered a question right. and later some people were given 100€, and 50€ taken away if they got the question wrong
05:03<Marshy>but I don't care!
05:03<@planetmaker>Marshy, that's how humans are: a loss counts at least 5x as much as a gain. emotionally that is
05:03<Eddi|zuHause>guess who was happier afterwards
05:04<@planetmaker>same experiment type as eddi just lined out :)
05:04<Marshy>I know
05:04<argoneus>Eddi|zuHause: the company doing the experiments?
05:04<Marshy>But still, a new release met with that sort of feedback
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05:05<Marshy>Ah well,
05:05<Marshy>At least some of us are happy :)
05:05<Eddi|zuHause>Marshy: there's a lot of things happening in that context
05:07<Marshy>A loss counts for a lot more, but the loss can be gained again by playing a previous version!
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05:16<Marshy>Getting up at 6am nowadays feels like you're rising in the middle of the bloody night
05:16<argoneus>I found the brit!
05:17<Marshy>Was that too obviously british?
05:17<argoneus>did I get it right?
05:18<Eddi|zuHause>solution: don't get up at 6am.
05:19<Marshy>problem: be late for work ^^
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05:21<Eddi|zuHause>solution: have more flexible hours.
05:21<Marshy>I called someone a 'sod' on reddit the other day and just got a barrage of jibes for being an obvious Yorkshireman
05:21<Eddi|zuHause>i don't even understand half the words
05:21<Marshy>solution: it was just a one off for today anyway ^^
05:23<@peter1138>Cool, let's stalk Marshy on reddit
05:27<Marshy>Funnily enough, that was on the front page of reddit today!
05:30<@peter1138>Xaroth|Work, fake, I'm sure :p
05:32<Marshy>Just like half the stuff on there
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06:00<supermop>this roadhog truck is two trucks??
06:06<supermop>hmm i can get about 180 crates of eng sup out of this port at quadruple production
06:06<supermop>and there are three oil rigs sort of near
06:06<supermop>its a bit overkill but i should be in good shape if i deliver 60 crates a month to each
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06:08<supermop>what would you guys lean towards - one whitgift barge leaving roughly once a month, or hovercrafts leaving roughly twice per month?
06:09<supermop>gives about 65 crate/month and 50 crate/month
06:10<__ln__>supermop: should the plural of hovercraft be hovercraft?
06:11<supermop>i guess hovercraft can bring some pasengers home with them
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06:36<andythenorth>supermop: the two-truck thing is a ‘shortcut’ until sprites are done ;)
06:37<andythenorth>although it looks quite good imp
06:37<andythenorth>imo *
06:37<andythenorth>enjoy it while you can :)
06:37<andythenorth>if you’re playing a basic economy, the supply<->primary industry chains are all shortcut too
06:37<andythenorth>it’s a lot more fun, even if it’s “wrong"
06:38<andythenorth>and I would use hoverzellepins
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07:07<V453000>grammatik macht frei XD
07:07<@planetmaker>TEXTILWAHN PM GmbH
07:10<__ln__>i expect someone to get upset about those
07:10<Eddi|zuHause>that's kinda the point of a good satire.
07:11<Eddi|zuHause>making the "right" people angry :p
07:13<@planetmaker>I'm actually not sure who will be annoyed or angry by those.
07:14<Eddi|zuHause>for sure the professionally annoyed and angry people.
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07:15<argoneus>where is the line between a joke and offense anyway
07:15<argoneus>a joke is always at someone else's expense
07:16<andythenorth>it can just be a joke
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07:17<@planetmaker>jokes need not be on anybody's expense
07:17<Eddi|zuHause>the actual "outrage" is usually not even triggered by those whose expense the joke is on
07:18<V453000>except feminists? :D
07:18<argoneus>if you take jokes about little tyrone or blondes
07:18<argoneus>they seem to offend many people
07:19<argoneus>even though it's not the point
07:19<argoneus>all it does is use stereotypes people know about to make a joke
07:20*andythenorth looks up jokes about aspies who like train games and irc
07:21<@planetmaker>andythenorth, looking at the user list in this channel right now? :D
07:21*andythenorth whistles
07:21<@planetmaker>124 jokes, none less
07:22<supermop>using sbb set for alcohol valley
07:22<supermop>these mountains are killing me - still not enough cash for my first brewery
07:23<V453000>tankers done XD
07:23<V453000>flatbeds and I got one full set of wagons done
07:23<V453000>in three fucking days :D drawing took about 3 weeks
07:24<andythenorth>supermop: make money with pax
07:24<andythenorth>on the coast
07:25<supermop>mountain/coast rail line linking up towns on west coast of korea almost bankrupted me
07:25<supermop>only room for one track
07:34<@planetmaker>you really going for nuts32bpp right now, V453000 ?
07:35<V453000>yes, why? :D
07:35<supermop>oops spent my second coffee train money on more hovercrafts
07:35<@planetmaker>just curiosity. Luckily I'm not a cat :P
07:35<V453000>is is a bad time of the year, or the community disallows to be going for it right now? :D
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07:38<V453000>for the past $longtime I have been creating the infrastructure which renders -> puts all things into sprites correctly
07:38<V453000>just today I made it work, already got 2 sets of wagons, now making flatbeds :) and that will be whole maglev wagons done
07:38<V453000>the efficiency after stuff is set up is insane with 3D models
07:48*andythenorth can see the upside
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07:58<Eddi|zuHause>goalkeeper of gibraltar: "if we catch less than 7 goals, at least we can say we're better than brazil" :p
07:58<argoneus>the last thing gibraltar caught was british occupation
07:59<Eddi|zuHause>that was like 500 years ago
07:59<argoneus>gibraltar was british during ww2
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07:59<argoneus>so remove a 0 there
08:00<Eddi|zuHause>gibraltar is still british... and has been british for ages...
08:01<argoneus>isn't the soil spanish?
08:01<argoneus>I thought spain got it afterwards
08:01<argoneus>after britain and france gave up most of africa and middle east
08:01<argoneus>the more I learn
08:02<@planetmaker>that's basic school geography :P
08:03<@peter1138>Nope, it's still ours, though the Spanish want it for some reason.
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09:26<Eddi|zuHause>honestly, i've stopped listening to "russian troops were seen in ukraine" announcements
09:27<Eddi|zuHause>they're only one step above "a bag of rice has fallen over in china"
09:27<@peter1138>What's the difference between this and the last time it was reported? The accuser?
09:28<lastmikoi>well, this time it's NATO
09:31<Marshy>We'll be looking at WW3 if any more rice falls over
09:32<@peter1138>lastmikoi, I mean, was it the same event, just NATO accusing instead of Ukraine?
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09:33<lastmikoi>peter1138: well, this seems to be a recent sighting "Monday"
09:33<lastmikoi>But yeah, we can never be sure of what is really hapenning.
09:33<lastmikoi>What we can be sure of is that Russia is obviously showing off its power. And that kind of behaviour never ends well
09:34<lastmikoi>(increased airborne activity, russia fleets movements, submarine sighting in swedish waters, etc etc)
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09:46<DanMacK>Hey all
09:47<argoneus>hi DanMacK
09:47<argoneus>how are you today, noble train friend
09:47<DanMacK>Here, lol
09:48<V453000>I wonder how argoneus reacts to train enemies
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09:49<argoneus>V453000: my only train enemy is frosch for banning me
09:49<@planetmaker>that's a bad enemy to have
09:49<V453000>yeah you didnt pick the best XD
09:49<argoneus>well I doubt it will lead to my demise unless I try to pick something
09:49<argoneus>I don't think he's that bad of a person
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09:50<@planetmaker>I'd say frosch123 is the one developer who exercises the biggest consideration ;)
09:50<@planetmaker>and yes, speaking of the devil...
09:51<V453000>id say frosch123 is the person who helped me so many times that he is far from worth being an enemy :P
09:51<V453000>he coded rainbow slugs
09:51<V453000>so behold
09:52<frosch123>quak-typing? if it does quak it's a devil?
09:53<@planetmaker>who knows? It comes in many forms ;)
09:53<argoneus>not a train enemy then
09:53<argoneus>a train person who I disagreed heavily on one occassion
09:53<argoneus>that's a better description
09:53<argoneus>heavily with*
09:53<Eddi|zuHause>man, the TV is full of armageddon scenarios today...
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10:14<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: did you hear that the nato took over the comet mission. they want to take over the flight path, and use it to oppress russia
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10:15<frosch123>i assume that is still missing in civ
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10:20<argoneus>what is this comet everyone talks about
10:20<SpComb>some xkcd thing
10:20<frosch123> <- it is getting molested by that guy
10:29<frosch123>V453000: btw. I strongly misinterpreted the effect of the 12 worker increase. the worker efficiency is reduced at the same time (only 2 can mine on a single mineral patch), so 12 workers are more like 8 old workers
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10:29<frosch123>the bigger change is that you can mine way less from a single base, and using a worker for scouting or building construction has less impact
10:30<V453000>I honestly dont care that much anymore, will go through the campaing of lotv and perhaps a few mp games but I dont think it will be so great again
10:31<V453000>[will go through the campaign multiple times :P]
10:32<frosch123>yeah, you are doing good with doing grfs instead of wasting time on other games :p
10:33<V453000>kind of yeah :P
10:33<V453000>but, waiting for my pc to get repaired, then I will do a run through the new borderlands :)
10:34<frosch123>meh, nothing more boring that shooters :p
10:34<V453000>this one is good actually
10:34<V453000>something between diablo and unreal tournament, with a lot of humour
10:35<V453000>anyway, flatbed wagon bases done and coded XD just cargo on them now
10:36<argoneus>you guys play star trek?
10:36<V453000>I have to say that without much fiddling it already looks awesome XD
10:36<V453000>zerg rushed
10:36<argoneus>I meant stargate
10:37<V453000>my wife for hire
10:37*argoneus reaver drops V453000
10:39<V453000>alpha transparent tankers
10:40<argoneus>visual effect: strong
10:40<frosch123>what's the cargo though?
10:40<argoneus>framerate impact: INSANE
10:40<argoneus>its obviously goo
10:40<V453000>just random shit refinery produces :P
10:40<argoneus>that looks cool
10:41<frosch123>is that some slug vehicle type?
10:41<V453000>no, normal maglev
10:41<frosch123>otherwise i would expect some vehicle spacing
10:41<V453000>maglev aint got vehicle spacing either :)
10:41<frosch123>it's quita an continuous wagon
10:41<V453000>I like it that way :)
10:41<V453000>non-continuous wagons for rail iz fine
10:42<@Rubidium>so... did it land right?
10:42<argoneus>it landed
10:42<argoneus>or blew up
10:42<argoneus>or burst into flames
10:42<argoneus>or missed
10:42<argoneus>we'll know in 20 minutes
10:43<V453000>fuck. NUTS will look fabulous.
10:44<lastmikoi>soylent green ?
10:46<Eddi|zuHause>i've been wondering whether that was in YETI :p
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11:04<argoneus>aaaand it landed
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12:20<Eddi|zuHause>"microsoft wants to merge .NET with mono"
12:21<Eddi|zuHause>how much closer are we to hell freezing over now?
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12:21<andythenorth>fucking hell
12:21<andythenorth>DanMacK’s timing is uncanny
12:21<andythenorth>I go, he arrives
12:21<Eddi|zuHause>and you notice that NOW? :p
12:24<Eddi|zuHause>i mean: this has been going on for months now :p
12:24<andythenorth>it wasn’t uncanny until today
12:25<andythenorth>it was just isolated evidence
12:25<andythenorth>now it’s a trend P
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12:37<Eddi|zuHause>well, then maybe i'm just better at spotting "trends" :p
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12:51<andythenorth>or cherry-picking data points to suit your theory? o_O
12:51*andythenorth would _never_ do that
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14:25<andythenorth>any cat?
14:29<V453000> hehre
14:32<@Alberth>woow, I should play a game with yeti
14:32<@Alberth>you can add a cowboy hat every now and then :p
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14:41<frosch123>V453000: they are all up-right, noone fell over. or is that reserved for curves?
14:45<@planetmaker>hi ho
14:45<frosch123>back from mars?
14:45<@planetmaker>mars? churyumov-gerasimenko is further away :)
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14:46<frosch123>oi, you can spell it just like that :o
14:46<@planetmaker>and I think I saw a few people just short of a heart attack
14:47<@planetmaker>anyway... they landed.
14:47<@planetmaker>probably more than once :P
14:47<@planetmaker>but things appear to work
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15:18<b_jonas>except the harpoons
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15:23<@planetmaker>yes... but they're not essential. strictly speaking
15:33<Eddi|zuHause>last i heard was they're still trying to find out whether they need to fire them
15:36<@planetmaker>well. They won't do anything till tomorrow until they again have radio contact
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15:37<andythenorth>first world problems
15:37<@planetmaker>(the radio link is down as scheduled due to relative positions of orbiter, lander and Earth
15:40*andythenorth spilt water on trackpad
15:40<Eddi|zuHause>how long does one revolution of the orbiter take?
15:40<andythenorth>took 15 mins to manage to click the button that disables trackpad :P
15:41<Eddi|zuHause>use the keyboard to hit buttons.
15:41<andythenorth>trackpad was stealing focus
15:41<andythenorth>completely borked
15:41<andythenorth>1st world
15:41<@planetmaker>Eddi|zuHause, "revolution" is quite an euphemism... they actively control the position via thrusters. But it will be in the region of half the rotational period like 6 hours
15:42<@planetmaker>gravity is too low to be able to make orbits
15:42<Eddi|zuHause>well, yes. details :p
15:42<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: we seem to have different first worlds...
15:43<andythenorth>yours doesn’t have water on the trackpad :P
15:44<Eddi|zuHause>don't drink and track.
15:44<andythenorth>sound advice
15:45<@planetmaker>I thought it was "don't drink and derive"
15:45<Eddi|zuHause>that was ages ago :p
15:46<@planetmaker>\int_{-\inf}^{+\inf}\exp{-x^2}\rm{d}x or so ;)
15:47<Eddi|zuHause>you can easily do that numerically :p
15:47<@planetmaker>you can easily look it up in the Bronstein :P
15:47<@planetmaker>should be like \pi or so
15:47<Eddi|zuHause>well, yes, the complete interval is a "good" number
15:48<Eddi|zuHause>the partial intervals are tricky
15:48<@planetmaker>\erf is for the numeric solution yes :)
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16:22<@planetmaker>boots? boats? bananas?
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17:01<andythenorth>maybe I should play openttd
17:01<argoneus>I bet you guys don't even own a train irl
17:01<andythenorth>need a new GS
17:02<frosch123>oh, i know several guys who own a few train engines
17:02<frosch123>wagons are more rare
17:03<andythenorth>there are only 2 good GS
17:03<andythenorth>imagine if there were only 2 good newgrfs :P
17:03<andythenorth>there are at least 5 good newgrfs
17:06<Eddi|zuHause>do 1:87 trains count?
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23:49<twenty319>Hello everyone
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