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05:52<argoneus>imagine being a yeti
05:52<supermop>i saw some weird containers today
05:53<supermop>very short
05:53<supermop>20' long but looked only 50-60% the normal height
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06:19<supermop>on a train in blue mountains
06:19<V453000>not yeti enough
06:24<argoneus>imagine if V453000 woke up one morning and was a yeti, and his newgrfs were replaced by V453000's
06:24<argoneus>and he was rendering himself
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06:26<Flygon>Anyone seen drac_boy lately?
06:31<V453000>argoneus: I look 100% exactly the same as YETIs
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06:32*peter1139 wonders what to do with PCI mobile card...
06:39<argoneus>peter1139: sell it on ebay!
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07:07<Eddi|zuHause>why must it be the butt of an ox anyway?
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12:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27073 trunk/src/lang/danish.txt (2014-12-04 17:45:15 UTC)
12:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
12:45<@DorpsGek>danish - 14 changes by manframe
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14:04<frosch123>oh, is it the time of "forum design complanis" again?
14:04<Supercheese>Brace yourself, apparently
14:05<@planetmaker>seems so :)
14:05<Supercheese>I look out my window, and it's blindingly white from ice and snow... so the theme suits my environment
14:06<frosch123>i don't care about the theme, but the complanis annoy me every year :)
14:06<frosch123>he, consistent typos at least
14:07<V453000>THEME IS BAD
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14:26<FLHerne>frosch123: It's not even as if there's no setting that disables it.
14:27<frosch123>i only log in to the forums when actually posting something
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14:27<frosch123>so, something like once a week for a few minutes
14:28<andythenorth>less if you’re married
14:28<andythenorth>are we talking about the same thing?
14:29<frosch123>sure :)
14:30<andythenorth>do people use the forum theme?
14:30<andythenorth>occasionally it eats my login cookie, and I see this wall of green
14:30<andythenorth>then I log back in and get phpbb back again
14:30<andythenorth>no wonder so many forum posts are angry
14:30<andythenorth>if they haven’t changed the theme
14:31<andythenorth>oh I see
14:31<andythenorth>fails WCAG 2 contrast all over the place :)
14:32<frosch123>as if anything would read stuff before replying
14:32<andythenorth>I certainly don’t
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14:40<Eddi|zuHause><FLHerne> frosch123: It's not even as if there's no setting that disables it. <-- it's not that you can't disable the theme, it's that you can't go back to the previous theme, only the default phpbb theme or the eye-cancer-inducing red text on white background theme
14:41<FLHerne>Eddi|zuHause: Transport Tycoon (temperate) is the previous theme
14:41<FLHerne>Eddi|zuHause: Unless you mean a different previous theme
14:41<Eddi|zuHause>FLHerne: well, that wasn't possible last time
14:41<FLHerne>Eddi|zuHause: I think he added it about halfway through last time?
14:42<FLHerne>After the last round of eye-bleeding complaints
14:42<Eddi|zuHause>FLHerne: after i complained like 5 years in a row?
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14:48<andythenorth>problem solved
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14:48<andythenorth>where is cat?
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15:12<Eddi|zuHause>hm, i think the optics in my mouse are broken...
15:14<Eddi|zuHause>it either doesn't move at all or jumps in completely random directions
15:15<FLHerne>Eddi|zuHause: Are you using it on glass, or something very smooth/shiny?
15:16<FLHerne>Mine does that if I try to use it on metal lab benches
15:19<frosch123>hmm, in 4 years my mouse will reach half of my age
15:20<horazont>i wonder how long mine would live if I wouldn’t bath them in sugar’d tea once every two or three years :(
15:20<frosch123>i don't remember how many ball mice i had, but this 1st generation optical mouse still works
15:22*andythenorth wonders who produces microsoft mice
15:22<Eddi|zuHause>FLHerne: it used to work on most surfaces, then it had problems on some surfaces unless i cleaned it, but now cleaning doesn't work anymore
15:22<horazont>these are generally robust, true, frosch123
15:22<andythenorth>must be a major vendor on contract
15:22<andythenorth>microsoft mice are reliable, comfortable, accurate, affordable, well-finished and reasonably attractive
15:22<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: i'm having no luck with mice it seems
15:22<frosch123> <- that one, though the soft rubber part on the left side has almost completely dissolved
15:23<andythenorth>none of those are attributes microsoft excel at providing
15:23<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: although i didn't actually buy any new mice, i warranty-replaced them multiple times
15:23<+glx>I have an old logitech too, just needed to fix the pads
15:23<horazont>at some point, I went for those mice which are aimed at hardcore gamers, those wide things with separate overhang for the thumb.
15:24<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: i don't like "ergonomic" mice for some reason
15:24<horazont>these are really ergonomic
15:24<horazont>and normal-width mice started to hurt my hand
15:24<horazont>also, the extra-button can be bound to double-click, which is invaluable in openttd ;)
15:24<Jinassi>or get an imprint of the manufacturers logo on the inside of the palm...
15:25<andythenorth>classic of the genre
15:25<andythenorth>costs about £5 too
15:25*andythenorth is cheap :P
15:25<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: i like that it is bigger, fits my hand
15:26<frosch123>and it's not as "ergonomic" as other mice
15:26<Eddi|zuHause>yes, that's why i only buy mice in shops where i can hold them in my hand
15:26<frosch123> <- some people at work use that kind of mouse
15:26<Eddi|zuHause> <-- i have this mouse, in a mouse/keyboard combination
15:27<frosch123>it's really weird to hold
15:27<Eddi|zuHause>fairly simple, fairly robust, but the optics cause me trouble
15:27*horazont stopped believing in wireless input devices when the first wireless keyboard he had missed Shift and Ctrl strokes
15:27<frosch123>yeah, wireless stuff is crap
15:28<+glx>I hate wireless :)
15:28<frosch123>a proper cable is way better than wireless
15:28<horazont>also, power management
15:28<andythenorth>mice are weird
15:28*andythenorth used to have a mouse
15:28<andythenorth>and RSI
15:29<andythenorth>now I have neither
15:29<horazont>how do you play openttd? :-O
15:29<andythenorth>trackpad innit
15:29<andythenorth>early trackpads used to give me RSI
15:29<horazont>forgot about these, yeah, these are ok too :)
15:29<andythenorth>but not in last few years
15:29<horazont>mice are ok, but for openttd you reall need a doubleclick button for placing signals
15:29<Eddi|zuHause>i love wireless
15:29<Eddi|zuHause>i never want a cable ever again
15:30<horazont>otherwise pain in the fingers ensueues
15:30<Eddi|zuHause>the early wireless was crappy
15:30<andythenorth>with a trackpad you constantly move your hand away => no compression of tendons, nerves etc
15:30<andythenorth>but also where is cat?
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15:30<Eddi|zuHause>but i have absolutely no trouble with reception anymore
15:30<Eddi|zuHause>i can't use trackpads for some reason
15:31<FLHerne>Only got a trackpoint on here, now I've mostly forgotten how to use mice :-/
15:31<FLHerne>Or at least without overshooting things all the time
15:32<Eddi|zuHause>the worst thing i've ever seen were these ball thingies in the middle of the keyboard
15:33<frosch123>now you two can beat on each other :)
15:34<Eddi|zuHause>that was even more terrible than trackballs, which never worked because they immediately got dirty
15:34<Horrorcat>Eddi|zuHause: wow, these are oooooold
15:34<Horrorcat>I can barely remember them
15:34<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: there are also optical trackballs
15:35<Zuu>I've used optical trackballs the last 10 years.
15:35<Zuu>Needs some cleaning every second month or so, but is quite quick.
15:35<Eddi|zuHause>the last time i used a trackball was almost 15 years ago
15:35<@peter1138>Meh, can't get on Steam :(
15:35<frosch123>which type? those where you move the ball with the digits, or those where you move them with the thumb only?
15:36<Eddi|zuHause>where are those minority report gesture interfaces?
15:36<Zuu>I however miss a good trackball with scrollwheel. Got one at home but it is no longer manufactured/sold so can't get a second one.
15:37<@peter1138>There's that scrollring one...
15:37*Zuu use those where you use your two leftmost fingers (except thumb) on your right hand.
15:39<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: you mean the computer interface with integrated sports studio?
15:39<frosch123>move your whole arm in big circles to get stuff done?
15:39<Eddi|zuHause>somewhat :p
15:40<Eddi|zuHause>wii/eyetoy :p
15:40<frosch123>i wonder whether the same applies if touchscreens become 20 inch
15:43<@Rubidium>you can already buy a 32 inch touchscreen
15:44<frosch123>did you use one?
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15:46<frosch123>i haven't used one, but in theory it fails all ergonomic aspects i can think off
15:47<andythenorth>whether you hate Apple or not, the head of Mac development has said that touchscreen isn’t how we do desktop computing
15:47<Eddi|zuHause>i could never even wrap my head around mouse gestures
15:47<andythenorth>of course, if they release a touchscreen Mac, it will of course be the new future :P
15:47<andythenorth>and never could have been anything else
15:47<andythenorth>yesterday we were at war with Eurasia
15:48<andythenorth>is the 32 inch touchscreen self-cleaning?
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15:50<Eddi|zuHause><andythenorth> yesterday we were at war with Eurasia <-- i was thinking of that yesterday when the newspaper explained how iran is now bombing stuff in iraq
15:51<frosch123>aww, googling says that the whole internet agrees with me
15:51<frosch123>how disappointing
15:51<Eddi|zuHause>damn internet, always agreeing.
15:51<Horrorcat>that’s the google bubble
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15:51<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, google already knows what you want to hear
15:52<Eddi|zuHause>and then tells you that
15:52<Eddi|zuHause>it's even worse than if all your life you've been watching fox news :p
15:53<Horrorcat>i wonder if the world would be a better or a worse place if they’d turn that off (except for the fact that you wouldn’t get as good results anymore)
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15:55<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: what about this channel?
15:55<frosch123>does it influence your opinions on bad features?
15:55<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: this channel has V in it. it's the opposite of a bubble :p
15:56<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: it's not about influencing your opinion. it's about making you believe everyone else shares your opinion
15:58<andythenorth>there are very few people here who share my opinions :P
15:58<andythenorth>but I share my opinions
15:58<andythenorth>quite lot
15:59*Horrorcat is tired
16:00<Eddi|zuHause>cats are sleeping 80% of the time.
16:00<Horrorcat>good point
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