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---Logopened Sat Dec 06 00:00:28 2014
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03:59<andythenorth>lo Alberth
04:01<@Alberth>ships today? :)
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04:14<andythenorth>releasing another fish RC
04:14<andythenorth>it’s nearly done, just need to adjust some pikka sprites for hover zellepins
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04:34<Wolf01>hello o/
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04:40<@Alberth>hi hi
04:46<Wolf01>ooooooh, my old laptop returned to life
04:46<@Alberth>zombie laptop :p
04:46<Wolf01>it's like brain transplant
04:47<Wolf01>I had this hdd sitting on my desktop for 5 years or 6
04:48<Wolf01>I finally found a similar laptop model and put the hdd on :P
04:48<@Alberth>nice :)
04:49<@Alberth>hdd is a bit small-ish now, I guess?
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04:50<@Alberth>just like my previous HD
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04:50<@Alberth>big enough, unless you collect music or video or so
04:52<Wolf01>lets update firefox
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04:55<Wolf01>now I have to figure out the insane reason I configured a net bridge between the wifi and the cable networks
04:57<@peter1138>Becuase that's normal?
04:57<@peter1138>At least, on a WiFi access point :)
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05:00<Wolf01>I think that's the reason, as I have xlink, hamachi and other weird stuff installed, I may have tampered with the PSP or the Nintendo DS network functions at the time
05:02<@peter1138>hamachi :(
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05:03<@peter1138>Car block heating electric supply. Yeah, that's necessary :)
05:03<@peter1138>I wonder what gameplay mechanism that adds to.
05:06<Wolf01>oh, my old "magic things" folder
05:08<Wolf01>it's not pr0n, just every kind of debugger, hex editor, batch stuff, openttd-useful, libraries
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06:33<frosch123>i hate it when people edit the wiki who are not on irc
06:38<frosch123>anyone has an idea what the point of duplicating the colour hex codes to the nml wiki?
06:45<@Alberth>not having to read the grfspecs wiki probably
06:45<@Rubidium>I guess the dude that changed it has ;) Sadly enough for you I'm not that dude
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06:49<frosch123>andythenorth: yes, it's just main.nut
06:50<frosch123>it uses one or two functions from superlib, and there is the info.nut with the name, ids and parameter description
06:55<@Alberth>frosch123: it could also be lack of understanding you can use the constant name
06:55<frosch123>i wouldn't know where to use the numeric value
06:55<frosch123>you cannot use numeric values in lang files
06:56<@Alberth>hmm, god point
06:56<frosch123>and you cannot pass colours as parameters or something
06:56<frosch123>so, i have no idea where that value should appear within an nml file
06:56<@Alberth>perhaps as reference when converting from nfo
06:56<frosch123>you only encounter it when decoding the grf or looking at the nfo output
06:57<frosch123>but well, for nfo you have the nfo wiki. you do not add the nfo template for every language construct to nml wiki :)
06:58<@Alberth>of course, I agree fully. Jut trying to find a reasoning that makes some sense
06:58<frosch123>that's why i complain about wiki edits with no summary comment from people not on irc :)
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08:28<Eddi|zuHause>"dutch railways want to burn leaves on the rails with lasers"
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08:40<Sheogorath>What the hell? why are so many germans in here?
08:41<Wolf01>why not?
08:42*Sheogorath is scared about that fact
08:43<@Rubidium>because Germany has a fairly good public transport system?
08:44<Sheogorath>since when?
08:45<@Rubidium>at least the last few years
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09:34<@planetmaker>frosch123, I'm tempted to revert that edit to the nml lang files
09:40<frosch123>i also wondered, it does not add anything but potential confusion.
09:43<@planetmaker>I have the same feeling
09:43<@planetmaker>I know no places where it's relevant for nml projects
09:44<@Rubidium>don't you need more information about the previous hexadecimal values to determine whether it actually is a colour?
10:01<frosch123>usually it is encoded as utf-8 with that number being an offset into the private range
10:01<frosch123>but i guess nml only uses utf-8 when needed
10:01<frosch123>so, for english it may use those codes directly
10:06<argoneus>I just noticed that some of the bulkier hockey players are even 205 cm, 115 kg, I wouldn't want that to shouldercheck me ._.
10:08<frosch123>anything else would be under-weight at that tallenss
10:08<argoneus>but still
10:09<argoneus>if there's a player that is 75, because he's shorter, this kind of mass will just blow him away
10:09<frosch123>that applies to almost all physical sports
10:10<argoneus>I knew there were stronger and weaker playrs
10:10<argoneus>but getting slammed by 40-50kg more must hurt a lot
10:10<frosch123>the exception being stuff like gymnastics at bars and stuff
10:10<frosch123>which are easier if you are more compact
10:10<argoneus>then again they have all sorts of protectors
10:10<argoneus>well, to be honest
10:10<argoneus>doing gymnastics in the first place makes sure you will never grow tall
10:11<argoneus>assuming you start at an early age
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10:18<argoneus>frosch123: but I guess this is why there are so many weight groups in boxing
10:18<argoneus>else it would be really scary
10:18<@Rubidium>argoneus: actually, some studies seem to show that while gymnasts are generally short... after they stop they get a growth spurt and get up to average heights
10:19<argoneus>Rubidium: yeah
10:19<argoneus>well, from what I heard
10:19<argoneus>when you are a kid, your bones still aren't completely solid, and they keep stretching and growing
10:19<@Rubidium>argoneus: there are also more-or-less weight classes in running
10:19<argoneus>and if you stress your bones a lot (doing gymnastics), you solidify them faster
10:19<@Rubidium>compare 100m athletes to marathon runners
10:19<argoneus>so you grow slower
10:20<argoneus>I don't really know what you mean there
10:20<argoneus>they all seem rather skinny to me
10:22<@Rubidium>mr Bolt (100m champion): 94 kg, mr Kiprotich (marathon world champion): 56 kg
10:23<argoneus>hmm, I wonder why
10:23<argoneus>maybe the lighter weight lets them run longer?
10:23<@Rubidium>it's actually muscle fibres
10:26<@Rubidium>and the fact that one is mostly strength; accelerating as fast as possible, whereas the other is mostly endurance (strength/acceleration doesn't matter much)
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11:06<@planetmaker>frosch123, I sent an e-mail regarding the wiki edit. Let's see whether and what he'll reply
11:07<@planetmaker>I also said that he should always give a reason for the edit so that one doesn't have to go comparing pages always
11:10<@planetmaker> <-- anyone understands that?
11:11<Wolf01>border wrap maybe
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11:39<@Alberth>that would be my interpretation too
11:43<argoneus>any idea what genre this is? I want to find something similar but no idea how :(
11:46<@planetmaker>frosch123, seems the reason for adding the hex to nml wiki was conversion nfo->nml and "(he is) migrating some of NewGRFs from nfo to nml and was tired of constant searching in nfo version wiki too"
11:46<Wolf01>it should be shōnen, if is that what you meant
11:47<argoneus>Wolf01: I mean the music
11:47<Wolf01>no idea
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11:50<frosch123>argoneus: i have no idea what that video is about. but the graphics looks like the usual japanese visual novel / dating sim
11:57<frosch123>planetmaker: ok, that makes some sense :)
12:00<argoneus>I played the game
12:00<argoneus>I'm talking about the music :<
12:02<frosch123>the music? lol. i think it's called "kpop" "korean pop"
12:03<frosch123>well, it may as well be japanese, but i usually hear the term "kpop"
12:03<argoneus>jpop is a thing too :<
12:03<argoneus>but I guess it's nothing super specific
12:03<frosch123>usually it's just some casted group of some underaged
12:03<frosch123>so, nothing i really care about
12:07<frosch123>argoneus: <- kpop vs. jpop. i would both call mainstream trash :p
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18:14<Eddi|zuHause><argoneus> Wolf01: I mean the music <-- darude – sandstorm :p
18:17<argoneus>nice meme
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19:39<dreck>anyone else having any problem loading pikkarail's wiki?
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19:45<Eddi|zuHause>it's known broken
19:46<dreck>hrm, thanks :/
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