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00:11<smoke_fumus>...city stuck at 3,428 pop
00:11<smoke_fumus>.......
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00:21<smoke_fumus>i've had it with that crap
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02:51<hsknz>Hi all
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05:12<argoneus>ayy
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06:10<@planetmaker>moin
06:12<V453000>moo
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07:29<andythenorth>this looks pretty good to me http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=182382
07:29<andythenorth>needs nicer curved rivers grf :P
07:31<V453000>._.
07:31<V453000>looks very binary to me
07:31<V453000>0: flat as shit, 1: unbuildable hill
07:32<V453000>0/10
07:32<V453000>:P
07:32<andythenorth>forget the stupid TGP
07:32<andythenorth>look at the rivers
07:34<V453000>cute obstacles? :P
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07:34<V453000>but yeah rivers look nice
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07:36*andythenorth looking through local folder of 1075 ottd images
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07:36<andythenorth>looking for one of those stupid inland seas with fishing harbour
07:36<andythenorth>found a load of canadian trains
07:36<andythenorth>canadian trains look nice
07:37<andythenorth>also what a lot of things I have drewed
07:37<andythenorth>and redrewed
07:37<andythenorth>and drewed then deleted
07:39<V453000>1075 images?
07:39<V453000>ok my save folder seems to contain 3367 saves ._.
07:40<V453000>3467 even
07:40<andythenorth>every screenie or whatever since 2008
07:40<andythenorth>of newgrf stuff
07:40<V453000>nice :)
07:41<andythenorth>so many bloody ships
07:43<V453000>shits (.
07:44<V453000>needs moar wetrail
07:45<andythenorth>hmm
07:45<andythenorth>Iron Horse is currently my favourite thing to have made
07:45<andythenorth>so much less waste
07:45<andythenorth>trains are so much easier to draw
07:45<andythenorth>and designed from day 0 for gameplay
07:45<andythenorth>not just to include vehicles I found on the internet
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07:51<V453000>:)
07:51<V453000>I honestly dont quite like the graphics, they lack contrast
07:52<andythenorth>oh well
07:52<V453000>the "use all the shades" thing I repeat all the time
07:52<andythenorth>I am favouring the fact that mostly I didn’t have to draw them
07:52<V453000>sure :)
07:52<andythenorth>also I am dubious
07:53<andythenorth>there are not many unused shades in the CC range
07:53<andythenorth>looking at the buy menu sprites
07:53<andythenorth>there is a bit of hotchpotch though, because sprites are multiple sources and authors
07:54<andythenorth>if the ones that bother you match the ones that bother me, I’ll fix them :P
07:54<andythenorth>otherwise going to look the other way
07:54<V453000>hm :)
07:55<V453000>will have a more detailed look later
07:55<andythenorth>gen 1 Flat Car, I am looking at you
07:55<andythenorth>also the gen 3 metro
07:56<andythenorth>hmm some sprites are buy menu clipped also
07:56<andythenorth>just noticed
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08:16<Wolf01>hello o/
08:18<__ln__>hello telecomitalia
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08:21<Marshy>Andy, playing FIRS in sub arctic, the Recycling plant industry produces manufacturing supplies and scrap metal, however on the cargo flow screen it states building supplies and not scrap metal, a possible bug?
08:21<Marshy>I'm at work but can send you a screen later tonight if you want
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08:23<andythenorth>it’s a bug in OpenTTD
08:23<andythenorth>it can’t handle the newgrf spec correctlty
08:23<andythenorth>correctly *
08:23<andythenorth>known issue
08:23<V453000>having an industry randomize outputs is wtf.
08:23<andythenorth>yes, that’s why I did it
08:23<V453000>bad. :)
08:23<Marshy>Oh no worries, wasn't sure
08:23<andythenorth>BAD FEATURE
08:23<andythenorth>you get 3 per set :P
08:23<V453000>...
08:24<V453000>it isnt mandatory :P
08:24<andythenorth>FIRS BAD FEATURES: randomised output, supplies, farms
08:25<V453000>no
08:26<V453000>1. useless cargoes, 2. supplies are very simple / only have 3 stages which is boring after a while, 3. randomized output perhaps :P
08:26<V453000>supplies as a concept are great :)
08:28<argoneus>ayy
08:28<andythenorth>meh
08:28<V453000>not meh. :)
08:29<V453000>ignorance wont lead to 2.X :P :D
08:30<argoneus>http://bropages.org/
08:30<andythenorth>brogrammers :|
08:30<@peter1138>Fook, it's got cold suddenly :S
08:30<andythenorth>
08:30<andythenorth>3'
08:30<@peter1138>°
08:30<andythenorth>
08:30<andythenorth>copy-paste :P
08:31<andythenorth>one day I’ll find the right key combo
08:32*andythenorth needs typing gloves for this cold
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08:33<V453000>:d
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09:11<Felicitu1>hi, is there any way to place tracks by clicking twice (once for the start and once for the end) instead of dragging with holding the mouse button down?
09:11<Felicitu1>this would make playing much easier on laptops
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10:07<@planetmaker>Felicitu1, no, there currently is not
10:08<V453000>XD
10:08<V453000>get a fucking mouse XD
10:09*planetmaker has no problem to work w/o mouse
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10:12<V453000>sure me neither, unless I am expected to actually _do_ something XD
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10:19<andythenorth>FWIW, I have no problem on trackpad
10:20<andythenorth>but on a low-quality trackpad, a small trackpad, or if you had impaired fine-motor movement, it would be hard to build with drag
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10:23<V453000>._. who are these people
10:27<andythenorth>players
10:28<V453000>omg users
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10:43<smoke_fumus>Ugh. I still don't get city builder. I mean i do basics, but why in the love of god does it razes results monthly?
11:01<frosch123>maybe that's the reason why there are about 20 different things that call themself citybuilder :p
11:02<V453000>solution = dont play it? :P
11:04<andythenorth>more GS needed :P
11:04<andythenorth>neglected
11:06<V453000>more PB needed
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11:06<Felicitu1>V453000: even if I had a mouse, I could not properly use it as I lack a table in my tent
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11:07<V453000>idk I use mouse on various surfaces all the time :D
11:07<Felicitus>won't work for me, so I asked.
11:07<frosch123>Felicitus: i think you are looking for the polyline patch on the forums
11:08<Felicitus>sounds nice. should try that once I have a proper internet connection and some cpu cycles to compile ;)
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11:25<smoke_fumus>frosch123: btpro.nl servers
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12:03<andythenorth>I think this is actually a valid point http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=72089
12:04<__ln__>well yeah but duh
12:05<andythenorth>if it was measured in hours
12:05<andythenorth>there would be fewer vehicle types needed
12:05<V453000>XD
12:05<V453000>how would years count?
12:05<andythenorth>just working it ou
12:05<andythenorth>out *
12:06<andythenorth>assuming you play 100 year game
12:06<andythenorth>instead it would be only 4 years
12:06<andythenorth>so one generation of vehicles would be enough
12:06<andythenorth>buy menu would be smaller
12:06<andythenorth>newgrf authors would have much easier life
12:06<andythenorth>industry sets would not have to cover wide range of eras
12:06<argoneus>ayy
12:06<andythenorth>I say do it
12:07<andythenorth>it would solve all the daylength requests in one stroke
12:08<@peter1138>Quick, sometone get andythenorth his medicine
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12:08<andythenorth>people who want a 100 year game could play the current equivalent of a 2400 year game
12:08<andythenorth>it’s about 3.5 years / hour?
12:09<andythenorth>that’s 30 days of 24/7 play to do 100 years
12:09<andythenorth>I think that’s about right for the foamers
12:09<andythenorth>a few might die in that period
12:09<andythenorth>someone check my maths?
12:33<@Rubidium>well, one normal game year takes about a day, so at a factor of 24 you'd end up around that number
12:35<@Rubidium>@calc 24*100*365*74*30/1000/86400
12:35<@DorpsGek>Rubidium: 22.5083333333
12:36<@Rubidium>(dl factor, years, day-in-year, ticks-per-day, ms-per-tick, ms-per-s, s-per-day)
12:36<andythenorth>do that, call it version 2
12:37<andythenorth>don’t worry about scaling industry production or anything
12:37<andythenorth>nor vehicle speeds
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12:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27077 trunk/src/lang/danish.txt (2014-12-08 17:45:49 UTC)
12:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
12:45<@DorpsGek>danish - 10 changes by manframe
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13:14<smoke_fumus>istill don't get why i can't set only specific cargo to be taken and leave rest of cargo
13:15<andythenorth>?
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13:17<smoke_fumus>andythenorth: i cannot set an order to a train to, say "load only goods from this station but do not load passengers and mail, transfer ones you got from another station"
13:19<smoke_fumus>which is...well retarded. don't you think such features should've been implemented in TRANSPORT sim
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13:22<frosch123>why does your train transport pax&mail in the first place?
13:23<frosch123>i have not seen any such feature request in the past 10 years, no idea when something like that would be needed
13:23<frosch123>i rather suspect that you are using a passenger engine in a cargo train or something
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13:27<smoke_fumus>frosch123: you thinking about it from the completely other side. it shouldn't be your concern why nobody requested it before, however it should concern you that such feature is missing in the first place - cargo tables DO exist irl you know?
13:28<frosch123>huh? if a single guy requests a feature, i think to not add that
13:28<frosch123>it adds bloat, and noone uses it
13:29<smoke_fumus>frosch123: this is what's happening right now. http://screencast.com/t/C0iAGwAKHsU a train hauls passengers/mail from finbugrg east to ratbridge onto transfer. Another train should do the same + take all excess cargo from ratbridge but do not load any passengers from there
13:29<smoke_fumus>cargo tables
13:30<smoke_fumus>but because i don't have ability to set specific wagons to take/don't take cargo from the city hub, it, like a retard, takes half of transfered passengers/mail and hauls them between two spots
13:30<smoke_fumus>without offloading
13:30<frosch123>maybe enable cargodist
13:30<smoke_fumus>what, where?
13:31<frosch123>https://wiki.openttd.org/Cargodist
13:32<smoke_fumus>frosch123: where's the button for that?
13:34<frosch123>in the settings, it's written on that page
13:35<smoke_fumus>uh.......i.......don't get it
13:38<smoke_fumus>counter-intuitive as fuck
13:39<andythenorth>what does irl have to do with anything
13:40<andythenorth>orders in TTD aren’t per-vehicle
13:40<andythenorth>[shrug]
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13:42<andythenorth>also there is a money-back guarantee on the game if not satisfied :)
13:43<hsknz>:)
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13:47<smoke_fumus>andythenorth: too bad you can't sue for moral damage
13:48<V453000>._.
13:49<hsknz>or lost time
13:51<smoke_fumus>hsknz: there is not such a thing in any world-wide laws as 'lost time due self-incompetence so i blame them for my lost time' lawsuit. Moral damage due poor response and enhanced frustration canbe issued
13:51<smoke_fumus>but only for commercial products
13:52<hsknz>:P
13:55<frosch123>you can sue based on enhanced frustration? why does ms still exist?
13:55<frosch123>or adobe?
13:55<hsknz>lol
13:57<smoke_fumus>oh well adobe exists because of their superior PR and also because they made 3 more fortunes from buying whole Macromedia company (they were ones who created both flash and macromedia director)
13:57<frosch123>does it also apply to goverments?
13:58<smoke_fumus>i didn't said you can sue based on enhanced frustration only - if that is because of your own incometence, which can always be proven against you - no. I was talking about advertised product failing to meet expectations and subsequently creating income loss due poor overall product design and objective inability to handle it the way it will work as advertised
13:59<smoke_fumus>which subsequently generates enhanced frustration
13:59<smoke_fumus>...sometimes i think i should've gone to a law college and take a lawyer proffesion.
14:00<frosch123>yeah, you sound like that :p
14:01<smoke_fumus>on the other hand i sometimes think i should've taken psychologist proficency, because i am also somewhat good at that. But no. Game design for me.
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14:09<andythenorth>there is a standard irony
14:09<andythenorth>that words like ‘proficiency’ will be mis-spelt
14:09<andythenorth>‘atention to detail’ I see quite often
14:10<b_jonas>heh
14:10<b_jonas>do you read lots of CVs?
14:10<andythenorth>maybe
14:17<smoke_fumus>andythenorth: english's not my native language >_<
14:17<andythenorth>well in that case you’re pretty good at it
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14:50<smoke_fumus>i
14:50<smoke_fumus>i know. I just need to finally finish all the crap, earn enough money and move the hell out to either uk or us. US is better obviously, but that greencard bullshit is tedious
14:52<andythenorth>ah the UK
14:52<andythenorth>and it’s lovely weather
14:52<andythenorth>its *
14:52<andythenorth>stupid language
14:53<frosch123>i was at a university with a lot of snow in the winter
14:53<frosch123>everyone complained about that, except one lecturer
14:53<frosch123>he said, he was in uk before, and snow is way better than rain :p
14:54<andythenorth>at least the white brightens the place up a bit
14:54<LordAro>"<smoke_fumus> US is better obviously..." how dare you.
14:55<andythenorth>it’s ok, Nigel will never let him in
14:56<andythenorth>oh but we don’t do politics here
14:56<andythenorth>oops
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14:57<andythenorth>LordAro: 25° in LA, 56% humidity
14:57<andythenorth>better imo
14:58<LordAro>but what if i like complaining about the weather?
14:58<@Rubidium>well, in the US it can be as hot as Hell, in Europe Hell just freezes over ;)
14:59<frosch123>LordAro: isn't complaing about earthquakes more interesting?
14:59<LordAro>frosch123: don't get to do it very often though
14:59<frosch123>complain about there not being enough earthquakes?
15:06<LordAro>:p
15:26<smoke_fumus>LordAro: no disrespect meant. I meant for my personal life goals US would be far more suitable both by amount of placement choices, availble jobs, taxes, etc
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15:47*Rubidium wouldn't want to live in the US
15:47<andythenorth>bye
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16:19<NGC3982>Available jobs in the US?
16:22<@Rubidium>NGC3982: yes, many; just one requirement: you're a tech savvy non-American
16:22<@Rubidium>caveat: there a limit on the number of tech savvy non-Americans that may enter, which makes it quite unlikely to get such a job anyways
16:25<Supercheese>Immigration is in a ridiculous state here, the people who and try to play by the rules get shafted, so many say screw it and ignore the regulations
16:25<Supercheese>err, who try*
16:26<__ln__>http://www.serolink.org/jeff/pack.gif
16:27<@peter1138>Ridiculous state: US employment law...
16:27<Supercheese>Most legislation is just nonsensical these days
16:27<Supercheese>We'll have to start noting page counts for proposed bills using scientific notation
16:28<@peter1138>Some countries actually give employees some rights.
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17:22<smoke_fumus>Rubidium: yes but as i've said - i am earning money at my current location. By the time i'll move i'll not be employee, but rather employer.
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17:31<Eddi|zuHause>man, i replaced my mouse, and the new one is way too sensitive :p
17:34<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: i wonder what would happen if each native nation would get two seats in the senats, like the other states
17:35<Eddi|zuHause>*senate
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