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---Logopened Wed Dec 10 00:00:34 2014
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03:13*Supercheese is translating Road Hog
03:25<andythenorth>Supercheese: can you translate Iron Horse to English?
03:25<andythenorth>I refuse to write British English
03:25<andythenorth>IH is in internationalised English
03:26<andythenorth>or US :P
03:26<V453000>how does it matter which english it is if people understand it? :D
03:26<V453000>NUTS is WTF English
03:26<andythenorth>V453000 it matters a lot to the foamers
03:26<V453000>international as fuck
03:26<Supercheese>Well, there are no obvious spelling differences like with Road Hog's Marvellous/Marvelous
03:26<andythenorth>I think I can set it up so en-us is base lang, and someone can maintain the Brit translation, which will suit the foamers
03:26<andythenorth>‘caboose car’ = ‘brake van'
03:26<V453000>give less shit. :)
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03:27<Supercheese>also, I take it the strings are sort of compiled post-eints
03:27<V453000>I just call it Caboose and nobody has yet complained.
03:27<Supercheese>since there are far more string combinations in IH than are available for translating
03:27<andythenorth>is NUTS translated?
03:27<Supercheese>NUTS ain't on eints
03:27<Supercheese>say that 10 times fast... :P
03:28<V453000>yes it is not
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03:28<Supercheese>oh what the devil
03:28<Supercheese>Marvellous has appeared in IH too
03:28<Supercheese>I must have only checked a long time ago
03:28<andythenorth>not many strings in IH
03:28<V453000>care less :P
03:28<andythenorth>V453000: shush :P
03:28<argoneus>is it a thing
03:29<argoneus>to have a british english interpreter
03:29<V453000>FUNCTIONALITY not double L is what matters :P
03:29<argoneus>when obama has a speech or something
03:29<andythenorth>it’s nice to let people have a grf in their own lang
03:29<andythenorth>instead of enforcing English on them
03:29<Supercheese>and eints makes translating convenient
03:29*argoneus shivers
03:30<argoneus>ZKAZOTVORNY MOTOR
03:30<andythenorth>hmm, the wagon names aren’t translated in IH right now
03:30<andythenorth>that could be changed
03:30<argoneus>how the fuck do you even translate doomsday engine to czech
03:30<argoneus>vlak dnu zkazy
03:30<V453000>you dont. :)
03:31<V453000>nobody translates song names either
03:31<V453000>well somep eople do but ...
03:31<Supercheese>Yeah there are a lot of things in IH not offered for translation
03:32<argoneus>you translate movie names though
03:32<argoneus>yes, you\
03:32<V453000>which is also quite wtf usually
03:33<argoneus>I like when people just go "ahh fuck it"
03:33<argoneus>and make a completely new name for it
03:33<argoneus>instead of attempting to translate
03:34<Supercheese>Are the "Serpentine", "Westbourne", and "Fleet" engines in IH intended to emulate underground railway trains?
03:34<V453000>once saw a film which was called A City Near The Sea or something like that ... to czech translated as "The Hour of Truth"
03:34<V453000>fun shit
03:34<argoneus>that doesn't sound czech to me
03:34<V453000>obviously in the direct equivalent
03:35<argoneus>I had an aneurysm from both Inglourious Basterds and the czech translation
03:36<argoneus>that thing just hurts my eyes
03:37<andythenorth>Supercheese: yeah they’re metro, so underground / overground
03:37<andythenorth>I should have called one Mornington Crescent
03:37<Supercheese>roger, "Subways" here then
03:38<andythenorth>wonder what they are in British English?
03:38<Supercheese>I like how we call them Subways even when they are above ground on parts of their line
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03:39<V453000>metro is more universal yeah :D
03:39<Supercheese>and then we have Subway sandwiches...
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03:40<andythenorth>Supercheese: I might push some more translation strings
03:40<Supercheese>neat :)
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04:02<andythenorth>Cabbage Cabbage Cabbage
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04:05<Supercheese>My Cabbages! T_T
04:08<andythenorth>‘Cabbage’ is how check if translations are working ;)
04:08<andythenorth>if you see Cabbage show up in IH, I’ve screwed up
04:10<andythenorth>Supercheese: I just made all wagon names translatable, pushed
04:10<andythenorth>still need to translate the track type name I guess
04:10<argoneus>anyone here is a musician/composer hobbyist?
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04:11<Supercheese>I put a few bits together in Famitracker once... chiptunes are about the extent of my musical endeavors
04:12<argoneus>I just want to get some sort of 49 key midi controller sub $100
04:12<argoneus>and I don't know if that's dreamy or what
04:12<Supercheese>Well, I'd sell you my keyboard but it'd be a looong ways to ship I reckon ;)
04:13<argoneus>is it an actual keyboard
04:13<argoneus>or just a midi controller
04:14<Supercheese>full keyboard, but naturally with midi hookups
04:14<Supercheese>not sure if that'd even be what you'd want
04:14<argoneus>that's probably super expensive
04:14<argoneus>I just need a cheap budget controller
04:14<argoneus>but something that isn't shitty and doesn't break in a week
04:16<@peter1138>I got an M-Audio Keystation 49es
04:23<@peter1138>Oh, no MIDI, it's USB-MIDI.
04:23<argoneus>that's what I want I think
04:23<argoneus>just something to plug to my computer and press buttons
04:24<@peter1138>Well, keys.
04:24<@peter1138>This has no buttons.
04:24<V453000>KEYBOARD? :P
04:25<@peter1138>I use it for programming. It's quite hard, hence why I haven't touched ottd's code for ages...
04:26<andythenorth>lack of commits
04:26*andythenorth is shocked
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04:42<V453000>andythenorth: the General Cargo Trucks still should carry iron ore in some hoppery things XD boxcars are real wtf
04:42<andythenorth>in Iron Horse?
04:43<supermop>sacks of ore in boxcars?
04:43<supermop>suitcases of coal in passenger wagons?
04:43<V453000>no in road hog
04:45<supermop>hatchback with backseat footwell full of bauxite?
04:45<andythenorth>curtain side truck innit
04:45<andythenorth>you can carry the hoppers inside
04:46<V453000>doesnt matter, is ugly
04:46<andythenorth>agreed, don’t have a solution though
04:46<V453000>people need to see them hopperz :P
04:46<V453000>bettur spritoz
04:46<andythenorth>well that’s daft though
04:46<andythenorth>changing the sprites
04:46<andythenorth>or rather
04:47<andythenorth>it’s a different approach
04:47<andythenorth>one vehicle to rule them all
04:47<V453000>why is nobody drawing visible cargoes
04:47<andythenorth>change the sprites to suit the refit
04:47<V453000>well sure thats fine
04:47<andythenorth>I started out there with trucks, but it was boring
04:47<andythenorth>boring boring boring
04:47<andythenorth>just one truck
04:47<V453000>you started wat, drawing cargoze?
04:48<andythenorth>I had a universal truck, just change the trailer to suit
04:48<andythenorth>canned that idea
04:49<andythenorth>if you want graphics, use the mining trucks
04:49<andythenorth>ha ha
04:49<andythenorth>no loaded state in the mining trucks apparently
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04:49<V453000>universal truck with changing trailers is actually awesome
04:49<andythenorth>wonder what happens, might be invisible when loaded
04:50*andythenorth had better do load states for mining trucks
04:51<andythenorth>also truck sprites
04:51<V453000>3D gogogo
04:51<V453000>apply material to 10 various cargoes
04:51<V453000>10min work
04:51<V453000>The Community demands technical progress!
04:51*andythenorth considers it
04:51<andythenorth>especially ships
04:52<V453000>especially everything
04:52<andythenorth>what are you using, Max?
04:52<andythenorth>are you scripting any of it?
04:52<V453000>oh hell no
04:52<V453000>I guess I will have to at least look a little into it later
04:52<V453000>but so far, no
04:53<V453000>read a bunch of rigging tutorials where scripting was a must, so will see
04:53<andythenorth>so you switch loads, how? Toggle layers on/off? Change texture? Hide / show objects?
04:53<V453000>toggle layers
04:53*andythenorth hasn’t seen Max for about 9 years :P
04:53<V453000>see this
04:53<V453000>I have up to 256 vehicles per layer
04:54<V453000>so I can just instance-clone a hopper, and add various cargoes to it
04:54<V453000>and even instance-clone the cargo heaps, and just make the materials differ
04:55*peter1138 clones V453000
04:55<V453000>the only annoying part is that I have to link each of the cloned hoppers to the Dummy which controls rotation/scaling
04:55<V453000>please do peter1138 :D
04:55*andythenorth scripts cloning V453000
04:55<andythenorth>if I went down the 3D route, I’d have to spend months scripting it, to save time
04:55<andythenorth>I’m not clicking actual buttons
04:56<andythenorth>the only time I’ve had real RSI is doing 3D animation
04:56<andythenorth>click, move mesh point, click, move mesh point
04:56<V453000>yes, scripting would help a lot of time
04:56<andythenorth>choose new timeline key, move mesh points
04:56<andythenorth>then change it, to make it better
04:57<V453000>right :)
04:57<V453000>I prefer moving verticez around manually
04:57<V453000>and stuff
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04:57<andythenorth>for non-EZ stuff with symmetry, I wouldn’t gain much from 3D
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04:57<andythenorth>for ships, 3D would make Squid get done a lot faster
04:57<V453000>the biggest part where max buttons are short and scripts would do great is rendering CC masks
04:57<andythenorth>especially if someone else modelled, lit, textured, and rendered it :x
04:58<V453000>you have to matte some parts of the objects which is meh
04:58<V453000>right XD
04:58<V453000>btw ... why make non-EZ stuff ;)
04:58<V453000>if you have 3D, the output can be anything
04:58<V453000>EZ, 16xEZ, or whatever
04:58<andythenorth>because you haven’t made a complete landscape base set that looks just like TTD original yet
04:58<andythenorth>so EZ is useless to me
04:58<V453000>yes, yet
04:58<andythenorth>also I don’t really care either way
04:59<V453000>XD k
04:59<V453000>I still respect pixels, especially the ones for licking
04:59<V453000>but 3D is just useful.
04:59<andythenorth>ships ships ships ships ships
04:59<andythenorth>I would never have done the zellepins myself
04:59<andythenorth>been avoiding them for years
05:00<V453000>seen that
05:00<V453000>iz nice
05:01<V453000>lunch time yeti
05:03<supermop>2d images are such a pain to get excited about
05:04<supermop>i always slog through them
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05:12<supermop>same with writing copy
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06:58<supermop>taking a photo of a poster in an ikea frame with a point and shoot camera is not a way to get decent product shots
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08:07<@peter1138>Do I want to spend £50 on VDSL?
08:07<@peter1138>per month
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08:08<andythenorth>what does it do?
08:08<@peter1138>Gives me up to 80 mbps down and up to 20 mbps up.
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08:45<andythenorth>or does all the local bandwidth get eaten by students and toddlers
08:45<andythenorth>as per my Virgin connection
08:46<andythenorth>3pm bam, mass watching of peppa pig on tablets, there goes my internet
08:46<__ln__>what technology is your connection?
08:46<andythenorth>actually no, cable loop
08:47<andythenorth>copper not fibre though
08:47<__ln__>cable as in cable tv?
08:47<andythenorth>usually better than ADSL over copper phone
08:47<andythenorth>but not when the local cabinets are over-subscribed
08:49<__ln__>i'd assume cable is much more sensitive to what your neighbourhood is doing. than *dsl.
08:58<@peter1138>VDSL is what BT call "super fast fibre optic broadband"
08:58<@peter1138>i.e. fibre to the box, and then copper to your home.
08:59<@peter1138>Apparently BT are desperate enough to be giving it away.
08:59<@peter1138>But I don't want to use smelly BT.
09:00<Eddi|zuHause>recently they sent someone around here to get people to upgrade their phone lines from analogue, and since then i seem to have problems with youtube in the evening
09:01<andythenorth>ugh BT
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09:04<@peter1138>Yeah, I don't want to use BT :)
09:04<@peter1138>I realise they're still involved anyway, but it can be better.
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09:13<andythenorth>by nearly anyone
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10:14<@peter1138>Hrm, weird, hosts can't ping their router, but RA worked o_O
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11:08<Jinassi>hust have some nice firewall if it cannot ping it
11:08<Jinassi>or router set to not respond to pings
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11:24<@peter1138>... ...
11:24<@peter1138>... ... ...
11:24<@peter1138>Ok... it can't ping... itself.
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12:45<@peter1138>Happy Birthday sir Belugas
12:46<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27078 /trunk/src/lang (latin.txt portuguese.txt) (2014-12-10 17:45:59 UTC)
12:46<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
12:46<@DorpsGek>latin - 12 changes by Supercheese
12:46<@DorpsGek>portuguese - 47 changes by ZeDWeB
12:50<@Belugas>thanks mister Nelson!
12:50<@Belugas>Big gift, a new car lol!
12:50<Xaroth|Work>what kind of car?
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12:59<@Belugas>corolla 2015, sport. RED!~
12:59<@Belugas>of course :)
12:59<@Belugas>had to be red
12:59<@Belugas>Sport is a big word to categorize such a car, but let say it is a style lol
13:02<@Rubidium>sadly enough it won't reach Tadoussac much faster ;)
13:02<@Belugas>lol no :)
13:02<@Belugas>a nice trip anyway we had, Rubidium ;)
13:03<@Rubidium>yeah, pleasant memories
13:04<@peter1138>Sport just refers to trim normally, heh
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13:05*Rubidium wonders why so many things are branches <year>+1
13:05<@Rubidium>as if it will keep it new for a year longer...
13:06<@Alberth>hot thing for next year summer, you wouldn't want to have a car that's already old when you bought it, eh? :)
13:06<@Rubidium>undoubtedly the 2016 model is out by then
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13:14<frosch123>Rubidium: it's more like a best-before date
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14:21<@Belugas>grrr... meeting with shift4. we all know what you are doing, we've implemented your stuff!!
14:21<@Belugas>Waste of time ...
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14:22<@Belugas>yeah... trim sport car. engine is same as other. only real sport feature is the leather steerwheel and the seats
14:23<@Belugas>ho and the tranasmission that can be manually down or up shifted from the sterringwheel as well!
14:23<@Belugas>as if i'll use them heheh
14:27<@peter1138>flappy paddles woo
14:33<@Belugas>lol! yeah!! that's correctly stated :D
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14:43<Wolf01>hi hi
14:44<Wolf01>mmh, router reboot time
14:47<Eddi|zuHause>warrenty replacement, episode #25
14:49<Eddi|zuHause>that was probably the 5th time in 6 years that i replaced the mouse/keyboard
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14:54<Supercheese>Oh good grief, the webtranslator must hate me, it has locked up again
14:54<Supercheese>as in locked the language, not froze
14:55<Eddi|zuHause>what do you expect... you torture it with latin
14:55<Eddi|zuHause>everybody hates their latin teacher
14:55<Supercheese>I suppose
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14:56<Wolf01>bah, stupid adsl
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15:16<frosch123>luckily i have the wt3 command still in my bash history :)
15:20<frosch123>Supercheese: now you can break it again :p
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15:27<+glx>Supercheese: I guess you messed with cases ;)
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16:22<FLHerne>dreck: Good evening
16:23<dreck>how're you?
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19:19<Jinassi>openttd centipede
19:20<Jinassi>it's meant to do that, right?
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19:25<Pikkaphone>then who was teeth
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