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02:52<andythenorth>o/
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05:23<Wolf01>hi hi
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05:44<argoneus>merry christmas train friends
05:44<Wolf01>it's already christmas there?
05:45<argoneus>it starts on the 24th no?
05:47<Wolf01>maybe, here is a standard day, it starts at midnight, just after the mass
05:48<argoneus>o
05:49<Wolf01>and I forgot I got up to do some work
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06:36<Sacro>@seen Bjarni
06:36<@DorpsGek>Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 3 years, 11 weeks, 2 days, 11 hours, 16 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh
06:36<Sacro>:(
06:37<Eddi|zuHause># now you're just somebody that i used to know
06:38<@peter1138>@seen darkvater
06:38<@DorpsGek>peter1138: darkvater was last seen in #openttd 4 years, 36 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <Darkvater> good ol' days :)
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06:38<@peter1138>I'm sure the hours, minutes and seconds matter...
06:39<Eddi|zuHause>well, you could just have typed it a second later :p
06:39<LordAro>@seen ludde
06:39<@DorpsGek>LordAro: ludde was last seen in #openttd 2 years, 23 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 36 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <ludde> hej
06:40<Eddi|zuHause>i guess he was inbetween projects there :)
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06:45<andythenorth>@seen dalestan
06:45<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: dalestan was last seen in #openttd 4 years, 39 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, 5 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <DaleStan> <PeterT> Why would one have info version 5 instead of info version 7? <-- because you didn't use any Info version 6 or 7 features, and there was no header telling NFORenum to use any particular version.
06:46<andythenorth>yeah
06:46<andythenorth>not just dying
06:46<andythenorth>dead
06:47<andythenorth>we should have a wake
06:47<andythenorth>the 2015 meet up could be black tie?
06:51<Sacro>4 years 39 to beat?
06:51<Sacro>*thinks*
06:51<Sacro>@seen KUDr
06:51<@DorpsGek>Sacro: I have not seen KUDr.
06:51<Sacro>@seen Patchman
06:51<@DorpsGek>Sacro: I have not seen Patchman.
06:51<Sacro>hmm
06:52<Eddi|zuHause>@seen miham*
06:52<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: I haven't seen anyone matching miham*.
06:52<Sacro>@seen Peter1139
06:52<@DorpsGek>Sacro: Peter1139 was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 46 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <peter1139> http://mathematica.stackexchange.com/questions/66538/how-do-i-draw-a-pair-of-buttocks
06:52<Sacro>damn
06:52<frosch123>@seen CIA-5
06:52<@DorpsGek>frosch123: I have not seen CIA-5.
06:53<Eddi|zuHause>@seen cia*
06:53<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: cia* could be CIA-1 (2 years, 12 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 7 minutes, and 9 seconds ago), CIA-2 (2 years, 13 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours, 23 minutes, and 36 seconds ago), CIA-4 (2 years, 18 weeks, 6 days, 16 hours, 19 minutes, and 46 seconds ago), CIA-8 (2 years, 25 weeks, 4 days, 18 hours, 7 minutes, and 49 seconds ago), CIA-17 (2 years, 29 weeks, 2 days, 18 hours, 7 minutes, and 15 seconds ago), (2 more messages)
06:53<Eddi|zuHause>@more
06:53<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: CIA-6 (2 years, 50 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 7 minutes, and 40 seconds ago), CIA-10 (3 years, 27 weeks, 3 days, 16 hours, 59 minutes, and 8 seconds ago), CIA-11 (3 years, 28 weeks, 5 days, 18 hours, 7 minutes, and 43 seconds ago), CIA-7 (3 years, 40 weeks, 5 days, 13 hours, 28 minutes, and 25 seconds ago), Cian (4 years, 21 weeks, 4 days, 17 hours, and 5 seconds ago), CIA-9 (4 years, 22 weeks, 0 (1 more message)
06:53<Eddi|zuHause>@more
06:53<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: days, 16 hours, 45 minutes, and 56 seconds ago), or CIA (4 years, 40 weeks, 0 days, 10 hours, 34 minutes, and 56 seconds ago)
06:53<Eddi|zuHause>there.
06:54<Eddi|zuHause>4-40
06:54<Sacro>That's a good record
06:54<Sacro>@seen Captain_Kirk
06:54<@DorpsGek>Sacro: I have not seen Captain_Kirk.
06:54<Sacro>@seen Jolteon
06:54<@DorpsGek>Sacro: Jolteon was last seen in #openttd 4 years, 6 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 8 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Jolteon> Hm. I might play about then, cheers.
06:54<Sacro>I think there's a limit to how long the DB goes back
06:54<Sacro>@seen TrueBrain
06:54<@DorpsGek>Sacro: TrueBrain was last seen in #openttd 12 weeks, 5 days, 14 hours, 23 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <TrueBrain> they should be punished! :P
06:54<Sacro>oh, he's here
06:54<Sacro>@seen DarkSSH
06:54<@DorpsGek>Sacro: I have not seen DarkSSH.
06:55<andythenorth>anyway, very dead
06:55<andythenorth>last one to leave
06:55<andythenorth>turn out the lights
06:55<Eddi|zuHause>@seen _42_
06:55<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: I have not seen _42_.
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06:58<Eddi|zuHause>we could do bisecting now how far the DB goes back.
06:59<Eddi|zuHause>_42_ left on 11th Nov 2007
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07:05<Rubidium>@seen beruic
07:05<@DorpsGek>Rubidium: beruic was last seen in #openttd 4 years, 49 weeks, 4 days, 15 hours, 39 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <beruic> Belugas: Did you mean the General Transport Tycoon or General OpenTTD?
07:05<LordAro>@seen Redirect_Left
07:05<@DorpsGek>LordAro: Redirect_Left was last seen in #openttd 4 years, 32 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 15 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <Redirect_Left> PASTEBIN PLS.
07:06<LordAro>is what jolteon goes by these days, i believe
07:06*Rubidium is cheating though...
07:07*Eddi|zuHause wouldn't have expected otherwise :p
07:08<Rubidium>sort -t ',' -k 3 <path>/supybot/data/Seen.db |head -n 1|cut -d ',' -f 2 <- easier than bisecting
07:08<Rubidium>interestingly frosch is #3 in that list (on #openttd.42)
07:08<LordAro>:D
07:09<Rubidium>though the seen db is not from when the bot started logging; the both started around 03-04-2007
07:10<LordAro>it get cleared out at some point?
07:11<Rubidium>can't think of any other reason
07:12<Eddi|zuHause>then we should look up what happened roughly 5 years ago
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07:21<frosch123>april 2007 does not sound like a server move
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07:36<__ln__>ho-ho-ho
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09:18<Wolf01>__ln__: getDateOfMonthFirstWeekday($weekday = 1), what do you understand?
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10:33<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: DorpsGek was once upon a time introduced as a replacement for _42_
10:42<frosch123>as replacement? not rather as addition?
10:42<frosch123>until the rest of what 42 did broke with a fs update, and it died
10:42<frosch123>hmm, "died", too bad andy left already :p
10:43<frosch123>anyway, server move was autumn 2008, so, that does not match your 5 year thingie
10:44<Wolf01>uhm, nice, I was testing my dates functions but I have one mktime around, which fails after 2038-01-19 (2038-01-20 become 1970-01-01)
10:44<frosch123>Wolf01: is that a question or a quote?
10:44<Wolf01>quote
10:44<frosch123>:)
10:46<frosch123>Wolf01: it's actually wrong
10:46<frosch123>2038 does not wrap around to 1970
10:46<Wolf01>in PHP seem it does
10:46<frosch123>either 2038->1901 or 2090 something to 1970
10:48<Wolf01>I was testing it for two hours and I tested every single line of my class to find out the culprit
10:52<Wolf01>and now "return (new DateTime("{$year}-{$month}-01"))->format('w');" this is really ugly
11:00<Eddi|zuHause>is there non-ugly php?
11:00<Wolf01>sometimes yes
11:01<Wolf01>at least when you don't need stupid tricks to get the work done
11:01<Wolf01>before the fix it was "return intval(date('w', mktime(0, 0, 0, $month, 1, $year)));"
11:01<Wolf01>which is pretty nice
11:02<frosch123>Wolf01: are you in some form of competition? reverse-engineer-what-this-php-thing-does-and-make-it-right ?
11:03<Wolf01>yes, I'm in competition with my "need to bugfix my stuff or better leave the job"
11:03<Eddi|zuHause>i could easily tell you a dozen things wrong with that line
11:03<Eddi|zuHause>but let's start with "month-day-year" date format
11:04<Wolf01>it's "year-month-day", btw
11:04<Eddi|zuHause>so you're putting the year in the day parameter?
11:05<Wolf01>you meant mktime?
11:05<Eddi|zuHause>i meant the "before" line
11:05<frosch123>int mktime ([ int $hour = date("H") [, int $minute = date("i") [, int $second = date("s") [, int $month = date("n") [, int $day = date("j") [, int $year = date("Y") [, int $is_dst = -1 ]]]]]]] ) <- wow
11:05<Wolf01>ok, then it's month-day-year
11:05<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: that totally escaped me
11:06<frosch123>but yeah, i have seen date functions in many languages, but this is easily the worst :)
11:06<frosch123>it even has a "is_dst" parameter, instead of a timezone offset
11:16<Eddi|zuHause>the second thing is that you can't make a date directly, but have to pipe it through a time
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11:24<Wolf01>known problem, also with DateTime you must pass it as literal (even "first day of march 2015" is a valid source for a date), this mean you need to forge a string if you have numbers
11:29<Wolf01>also: http://eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
11:29<Eddi|zuHause>if that's just a "problem", then i don't even want to know...
11:50<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r27090 trunk/src/group_cmd.cpp (2014-12-24 16:49:57 UTC)
11:50<@DorpsGek>-Codechange [FS#5976]: Simplify some hierarchical groups code. (Juanjo)
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11:53<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r27091 trunk/docs/openttd.6 (2014-12-24 16:53:04 UTC)
11:53<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#6170] (r27012): Make manpage more portable. (bentley)
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12:09<LordAro>more commits?
12:09<LordAro>it's like it's christmas
12:10<frosch123>christmas is tomorrow
12:17<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r27092 /trunk (10 files in 5 dirs) (2014-12-24 17:17:18 UTC)
12:17<@DorpsGek>-Fix/Add [FS#6186]: Compilation on OS/2 (smedles)
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12:37<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r27093 trunk/readme.txt (2014-12-24 17:37:30 UTC)
12:37<@DorpsGek>-Update: Add 3rdparty/os2 licenses to readme.txt
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12:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27094 trunk/src/lang/esperanto.txt (2014-12-24 17:45:15 UTC)
12:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
12:45<@DorpsGek>esperanto - 4 changes by polluks
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14:31<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r27095 /trunk (4 files in 2 dirs) (2014-12-24 19:31:26 UTC)
14:31<@DorpsGek>-Update: Documentation
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14:33<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r27096 tags/1.5.0-beta1/ (2014-12-24 19:33:36 UTC)
14:33<@DorpsGek>-Release: 1.5.0-beta1
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15:25<frosch123>@topic set 1 1.4.4, 1.5.0-beta1
15:25-!-DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.4.4, 1.5.0-beta1 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: hg, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices
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15:41<tedjam>Hello, I'm having trouble with a dedicated server tat I have just set up (Running on a RPi) The console is returning the error 'ERROR: Game Save Failed? File not writeable' What file is it refering to because if I can work that out then Ill run a chmod 777 on it
15:42<frosch123>~/openttd/save/autosave maybe?
15:42<frosch123>~/.openttd
15:44<tedjam>Ill check
15:47<tedjam>Thanks, it worked!
15:48<frosch123>cool :)
15:51<Smedles>frosch123: thanks for applying os2 patches
15:51<Smedles>both remaining users appreciate it :)
15:51<frosch123>you're welcome :)
15:51<frosch123>i have no idea whether it actually still works though :p
15:51<Smedles>I must let owen know the patches are in
15:51<frosch123>i moved the files to a different folder
15:52<Smedles>when I get a moment, i'll check out the source and try building
15:52<Smedles>bit hungover this morning from christmas eve celebrations to try it
15:53<frosch123>sounds like far east :)
15:57<Smedles>australia :)
15:57<Smedles>it's 7:30am on Christmas day here
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16:34<dxtr>Smedles: I'm still on christmas eve drinking beer
16:34<dxtr>\o
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16:34<Smedles>dxtr: I stuck to red wine last night, didn't want to mix my drinks :P
16:36<dxtr>Smedles: lol red wine :p
16:36<Smedles>will probably drink another bottle with lunch today :P
16:36<dxtr>Smedles: The girlfriends mom is drunk as hell, the girlfriend (who is pregnant), her sister and our kid is watching Pingu on Netflix
16:36<dxtr>The girlfriends brother crashed already
16:37<dxtr>And I'm just sitting here on IRC drinking beer
16:37<dxtr>And eating leftovers
16:37<Smedles>my wife's family is european, we we had the big christmas eve feast lsat night
16:37<dxtr><- Sweden
16:38<Smedles>my wife's mum is lithuanian, and her dad was polish
16:38<dxtr>Okay I can't beat that
16:38-!-Flygon__ is now known as Flygon
16:38<dxtr>I admit defeat
16:39<Flygon>What, because I shortened my nick?
16:39<Flygon>:P
16:39<dxtr>I will not answer that
16:39<Flygon>(I hate Christmas, one of the only days of the year where I'm forced awake before 9:30AM D: )
16:39<dxtr>To fuck with your head
16:39<Flygon>Dude, only a few people are allowed to do that to me
16:40<Flygon>And most of them aren't all age oriented channels
16:40<Flygon>:3
16:43<dxtr>I don't even..
16:45<Wolf01>Flygon, I hate Christmas too, I'm at home only because the office is closed
16:46*Flygon nod
16:46<Flygon>Stuck living with family @_@
16:46<Wolf01>(not that I don't have the keys, but I don't want to travel 40Km to feel alone)
16:48<Wolf01>and now the dilemma: should I set up a PHP 5.3.0-2 just to test if a PHP bug doesn't break my code?
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18:12<Wolf01>'night and Merry Christmas
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