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---Logopened Tue Jan 13 00:00:25 2015
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00:23<Sylf>text - see thee font size settings in openttd.cfg
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03:37<andythenorth>V453000: BUT WHERE IS ALL THE 32BPP?
03:38<V453000>GIEF NAO
03:38<Elyon>good morning gentlebeings
03:38<V453000>hello :)
03:38<Elyon>so two days ago I wanted to take a break, so I installed skyrim
03:39<Elyon>well, ... I have been installing it ever since
03:39<Elyon>MAH MODS
03:39<Elyon>chances are I'll grow bored with skyrim even before I am able to start it
03:40<Elyon>for what it's worth, though, I just need to fix some registerthing and then I think I can generate correct NFO action 0 prop 1A from NML
03:41<andythenorth>hmm. poo on the toilet seat. not mine
03:41<V453000>am working fuck-hard on RAWR now
03:41<Elyon>!! rawrsome
03:41<andythenorth>children, an unconstrained joy
03:48<Elyon>great, 40 minutes to patch and then it runs out of heapspace because java
03:49<Elyon>oh, that's why. the JVM uses no more than 512 MiB unless told otherwise
03:49<Elyon>I believe I have a 2.1 GiB mod in there somewhere
03:50<Elyon>welp, I am making some tea
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04:12<NGC3982>Ever since I plowed trough the signal wiki I put way too much effort into nice tracks and signals.
04:12<NGC3982>To the point where I almost always top out the loan on the first train. :/
04:14<@planetmaker>there's no wiki page on proper timing yet ;)
04:16<NGC3982>I am still trying to understand timetables properly.
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04:25<V453000>just dont use them is the most proper thing you can do :P
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04:28<andythenorth>‘properly’ implies there’s some kind of designed optimum
04:28<andythenorth>also bbl
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06:08<Flygon><Flygon> I wish OpenTTD
06:08<Flygon><Flygon> Had a method of bribing industries to shut down
06:08<Flygon>Dumb idea or genius? Tell me now! :D
06:09<Eddi|zuHause>it already has that, it's called magic bulldozer
06:10<Flygon>Yeeaaaah, but it marks the game as cheated
06:10<Eddi|zuHause>so? "i want to cheat without it saying i cheated" is definitely a dumb idea.
06:13<Flygon>I hate when you're right
06:15<V453000>I AGREE WITH EDDI
06:28<Eddi|zuHause>HOW DARE YOU!
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12:42<@Alberth>a non-working xar0th ?
12:44<frosch123>there is an obvious pun there
12:44<frosch123>where is tb when you need him? :p
12:45<@Alberth>hiding in tb_free :p
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13:00<frosch123> <- that's actually a pretty good tutorial
13:00<frosch123>(it's not from the gui on the forums, but by someone on reddit)
13:02<frosch123>purr is pretty cool to explain signal blocks
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13:04<andythenorth>ou est le chat?
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13:06<andythenorth>also hi
13:06<andythenorth>Alberth o/
13:09<frosch123>hmm, weird, looks like that video was not advertised anywhere
13:09<frosch123>it has way less views than the videos before and after it
13:12<@Alberth>ha, it does mention problems of track building with density 1, which makes me wonder about the automagic signal removal request :)
13:13<@Alberth>hi hi andythenorth
13:13<frosch123>oi, so, that's the background for that :o
13:14<andythenorth>Alberth: been playing :)
13:14<@Alberth>you won?
13:14<andythenorth>we need to know how long is left for a goal
13:14<andythenorth>and I probably need to add news for goal missed :P
13:14<@Alberth>nah, too depressing :p
13:14<frosch123>make the statistics only count success
13:15<frosch123>that's popular these days :p
13:15<@Alberth>but we can make it an option
13:15<andythenorth>I got a slew of new goals
13:15<andythenorth>and had a bit of ‘wtf?'
13:15<frosch123>e.g. starcraft removed the "number of games lost" resp. "win ratio" displays, but only shows "games won"
13:15<andythenorth>other observations...
13:15<andythenorth>random might be truly random
13:15<andythenorth>i.e. I keep getting the same towns and industries for goals
13:15<andythenorth>on a 512x512 map
13:16<@Alberth>it's not probably
13:16<@Alberth>it tries to find a best approximation for cargo + distance iirc
13:16<andythenorth>when I wrote a lot of games in a former life, I ended up with pseudo random
13:17<andythenorth>real random trips people up by repeating things
13:17<andythenorth>so I used to keep arrays of choices already made / choices remaining
13:17<@Alberth>which will return the same things if the number of choices is small
13:18<andythenorth>one other thing - I’m getting town goals where the cargo is not accepted by the town
13:18<andythenorth>no accepting house or industry
13:18<andythenorth>the main conclusion other than that: it’s fun
13:19<@Alberth>goal achievement code doesn't handle giving out the same target properly, I think
13:20<andythenorth>I had 7 goals running on my 512x512 map
13:20<@Alberth>If you deliver say 50 stuff / month already, and you get a new goal, it should deduct that 50 in some way
13:20<andythenorth>I already had the same goal twice, it was quite nice to win it again with no effort :)
13:21<@Alberth>I do store some data about it iirc, but don't use it
13:21<andythenorth>just check if cargo and destination match an existing goal?
13:21<@Alberth>no it's more than that
13:22<andythenorth>I’m not sure it’s a big problem right now
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13:22<@Alberth>it also should hold if you build a route already without it being a goal, imho
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13:22<andythenorth>well yes
13:22<andythenorth>but that sounds quite complex
13:23<andythenorth>you’d have to track all cargo delivery all the time
13:23<@Alberth>no, just the ones I plan to give you :p
13:23<andythenorth>GS is full of interesting design challenges
13:25<andythenorth>Busy Bee provides reasons for building specific routes, but still allows sandbox play
13:25<andythenorth>I like SV and NCG a lot, but in those, you don’t do anything that isn’t essential. It’s very focussed, very cost / benefit thinking
13:25<@Alberth>oh, I had another one, it should calculate time needed to reach goal
13:25<andythenorth>probably yes
13:25<@Alberth>ie 6,400 mail in 5 years :p
13:26<andythenorth>because Busy Bee causes routes to appear all over the map, it starts making sense to put non-goal cargos onto them too
13:26<andythenorth>it’s fun
13:27<andythenorth>I wondered about scaling mail + pax goals by town size
13:27<andythenorth>I have 5k or 6k pax goals for towns with 500 popn
13:27<andythenorth>I’m not sure how symmetrical cdist handles that, but I am trying to pickup from 1K+ cities and not getting much cargo assigned
13:27<@Alberth>you could favor starting goals with current 0 transport, ie favor new connections
13:28<@Alberth>but eventually you run out of those
13:28<@Alberth>I always use non-symmetrical, symmetrical is cheating :p
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13:29<andythenorth>it is? o_O
13:29<@Alberth>you know I consider disabling breakdowns also cheating eh?
13:29<andythenorth>I consider breakdowns broken :P
13:30<andythenorth>anyway, maybe I should write tickets
13:30<andythenorth>I’m -1 to changing anything right now, I don’t want to give up my savegame
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13:32<@Alberth>you noticed my build file additions?
13:32<andythenorth>failed for me, need to paste
13:32*andythenorth bathing kids
13:32<@Alberth>unfortunately, it's post RC1
13:33<@Alberth>pasting kids would be messy
13:34<andythenorth>hmm error is build script can’t find my hg
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13:34<andythenorth>ah maybe bad python version
13:35<andythenorth>I didn’t even try and fix it yet :)
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13:36<@Alberth>I used python3
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14:44<flitz>say, I want to transfer all cargo from one vehicle onto another, would I have to include the reserved amount of cargo ?
14:44<flitz>I'm not really familiar with that concept
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15:42<Eddi|zuHause>was anyone here able to make sense out of that question?
15:48<FLHerne>Eddi|zuHause: Presumably relates to that 'reserved for loading' value that's visible now?
15:49<FLHerne>Not a clue what the question means though
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16:08<andythenorth>there is a lot of that at the moment
16:09*andythenorth back to writing tenders for government contracts
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16:13<andythenorth>hmm nice industry
16:13<andythenorth>someone should draw that for something
16:16<@Alberth>nice photo, but given it's from railpictures, sure it's not about the steam engine? :)
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18:31<oyvind>after downloading a new grf how do i add it to the openttd.cfg?
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18:36<oyvind>I used the ingame downloader in the console
18:44<oyvind>nevermind fixed it
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