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00:30<supermop>hmm should the y be symetrical or off to one side?
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03:24<chillcore>good morning all
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03:48<Wolf01>hi hi o/
03:49<chillcore>o/ wolf
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03:52<Wolf01>yesterday headache, tonight it came down and now I have pain in shoulder and back... I hope it doesn't arrive at the bottom or it will start to be funny
03:54<chillcore>ooh that late allready ... time to finish coffee, grab flaptop and and go fix public pc ... eh ... put back in broken state I mean. :P
03:55<chillcore>hehe ye you have to sit on thing wolf xD, get better soon ;)
03:55<@peter1138>7/win 17
03:55<chillcore>that thing*
03:56<Wolf01>bye chill
03:56<chillcore>ye win 7 pro ... but it is not that that is broken .... bootstrap joke is :sniff:
03:56<chillcore>cyas o/
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04:01<Celestar>good morning
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05:42<Eddi|zuHause><supermop> hmm should the y be symetrical or off to one side? upper case letter Y should be symmetrical, lower case letter y should be off to one side
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08:17<chillcore>so funny I stumbled upon this ...
08:17<@peter1138>What's funny about it?
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08:19<chillcore>I had someone looking at me as I re-anabled everything I disabled yesterday ...
08:19<chillcore>then showed him the diff with my laptop
08:20<chillcore>after I pulled the HDD and used my USB to show him show files that do not belong on publc PCs
08:20<chillcore>it like pissing in someones shoes and tellng him the shit is gabage
08:21<chillcore>they should be talking about it now ...
08:21<chillcore>I left one step out to have may way wth their pc
08:22<chillcore>but showed it on my laptop
08:22<chillcore>instead :P
08:23<chillcore>anyway I got a resonable explanation for why the things they are now
08:24<chillcore>I showed them a better way ... up to them
08:40<chillcore>besides disabling stuffs I also updated the OS yesterday which was overdue since last september, deleted a ton of crapware, including an online backup, a groupsfoto of some peeps ... etc
08:40<chillcore>my time was not competely wasted ;)
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08:44<chillcore>the kids that came after me ... first thing thye do is install flash and open a site that needs a password :/
08:44<chillcore>that just games but ...
08:47<chillcore>how many peeps have no access to internet at home worldwide?
08:48<chillcore>I don' whanna be the white knight perse but ... 'we' are giving them free access to internet but no protection ... from eachother mainly
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08:49<chillcore>that a lot of peeps that simply are unaware
08:50<chillcore>can't blame them really ... people are used to their private devices ... if they have that even
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08:52<chillcore>I am rambling
08:52<chillcore>just gets me under my skin
08:55<@planetmaker>chillcore, I'd bet > 50%
08:55<chillcore>my point exactly planetmaker ;)
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10:28<Bobix>does anybody know of a newgrf that has a non-rail tile showing passengers waiting?
10:30<Bobix>maybe newstations if i upgrade?
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13:57<@Alberth>hi hi
13:57<@Alberth>just added the cargo multiplier patch
13:57<andythenorth>I saw :)
13:58<@Alberth>someone is watching a few repositories :p
13:59<@Alberth>you also understood my :idea: smiley in the reply?
14:00<@Alberth>as in, consider the goal done on first delivery? :)
14:01<andythenorth>I wondered at that
14:01<andythenorth>similar to subsidies
14:01<@Alberth>hmm, indeed
14:01<andythenorth>might be worth trying
14:01<andythenorth>in principle I like having the amounts
14:01<andythenorth>just deliver at least 1t
14:01<andythenorth>is not as good
14:02<andythenorth>amounts required affect the kind of route you build, whether you need to find an unused primary source etc
14:02<@Alberth>we can keep the goal until it's done
14:02<andythenorth>if it’s just 1t, then use a plane and route from an existing source :P
14:02<@Alberth>but just always have N unstarted goals
14:05*andythenorth understands now
14:05<@Alberth>only thinking aloud, but it seems nicer than to discard the goal at first delivery, I think
14:06<@Alberth>it means you never have to wait for goals to finish
14:06<@Alberth>maybe I don't have enough goals :p
14:07<andythenorth>ffwd :P
14:08<@Alberth>hmm, never think of that :p
14:09<@Alberth>it's not that bad, I usually watch trains while waiting :)
14:12<@Alberth>8pm friday evening, and already sleepy :p
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14:15<frosch123>andy is featured on xkcd today :)
14:15<frosch123>hola :)
14:15<andythenorth>Alberth: I am bushed :P
14:15<andythenorth>4.30am two days in a row
14:16<@Alberth>that's a little early :)
14:17<@Alberth>xkcd :D
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14:20<andythenorth>Hard Reboot?
14:21<andythenorth>that looks like a standard web ops tactic tbh
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14:25*peter1138 reboots andythenorth
14:26<andythenorth>with a CD-ROM drive?
14:27<andythenorth>can anyone reboot landscape generation?
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14:31<Wolf01>meh, you shouldn't leave me alone 2 days with 4 lego boxes...
14:32<Eddi|zuHause2>did you mean "two months"? :p
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14:32<Wolf01>2 days
14:32<andythenorth>what did you do?
14:32<Wolf01>built 3 of them :P
14:32<andythenorth>any good?
14:33<Wolf01>yeah, the 42039 is really cool
14:33<Wolf01>(the new 24 hours racing car)
14:34<Wolf01>I also just finished to build the Benny's spaceship! and the Emmet'sconstruction mech
14:34<frosch123>haha, someone opened a fs task today, which looked familar to me
14:34<Eddi|zuHause>don't they all?
14:35<frosch123>so i searched for the details, and found that there are 3 duplicates meanwhile :p
14:35<Wolf01>bot of them have a nice amount of particular pieces, I think I'll purchase them again just for the pieces
14:35<andythenorth>I might buy 42039
14:35<andythenorth>I have the F1 and the last supercar
14:35<andythenorth>dunno if it will be much different, but eh
14:35<andythenorth>might keep it at work
14:36<andythenorth>or build it and take it apart again :P
14:36<@peter1138>Looks spendy.
14:36<Wolf01>the weekend is reserved for the 70810 - Capt. MetalBeard's Sea Cow
14:36<andythenorth>there’s something weird about keeping lego built up
14:37<andythenorth>but I have cupboards full of built up lego :P
14:37<Wolf01>I'm planning to replace my entire bedroom furniture
14:38<Wolf01> something like this
14:39<Wolf01>it works for me
14:39<Wolf01> this is the page
14:40<Wolf01>the main problem is that I'm not really good with cad and 3D stuff :P
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14:47<Eddi|zuHause>except that the room is like 5 times bigger than a "teenager" would have...
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14:47<Wolf01>and mine is half of a standard teenager's one
14:48<Wolf01>and I'm twice the age of the standard teenager
14:49<frosch123>yeah, teenager never last long
14:49<frosch123>i haven't seen any teenager lasting longer than 10 years
14:49<Wolf01>except me
14:50<Eddi|zuHause>13-19 is 8 years
14:51<frosch123>does a 10 year old count as teenager?
14:51<frosch123>so, only 7 years
14:52<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, i can't calculate :p
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15:12<andythenorth>is it bed time?
15:12<Wolf01>not yet
15:13<frosch123>is it back-to-work time?
15:15<Wolf01>if you want to... for me is "brush fangs and play a game time"
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15:22<chillcore>is it time?
15:24<frosch123>ah, i see, yesterday was full moon
15:24<frosch123>how do you manage to type with those claws?
15:25<Wolf01>manicure, a lot of manicure :P
15:27<chillcore>wait what? you're not supposed to use your fore...head?
15:28<frosch123>no, that is no ergonomic position
15:28<frosch123>but that may change with touch screens
15:28<frosch123>likely it's better to use a touch screen with the forehead than with the hands
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15:29<frosch123>i would recommend using your nose though
15:29<frosch123>it's more precise
15:29<chillcore>hehe ... "the I am thinking comfortably, boss" stance
15:29<chillcore>good point
15:30<frosch123>use the tongue to perform multi-touch
15:32<chillcore>hmm might be a nice app ...
15:33<chillcore>"lick my frozen lolly" 15 mins for 1 euro ... then it melts
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15:34<frosch123>chillcore: do you know "succulent" ?
15:35<Eddi|zuHause>i'm sure nobody ever made an app that made you lick your phone...
15:35<chillcore>that'd be a great name ye
15:35<chillcore>I called it here ... time stamp for proof
15:35<frosch123>chillcore: sorry, but what i mentioned exists :p
15:36<frosch123>it's an actual name of a "game"
15:36<frosch123>check yt, if noone is watching you, who might judge you for watching it :p
15:36<chillcore>I can use another name ... does it include liking your phone for gameplay?
15:37<chillcore>what platform?
15:37<frosch123>no idea
15:37<chillcore>dribble is taken?
15:39<Eddi|zuHause><frosch123> check yt, if noone is watching you, who might judge you for watching it :p <-- google is always watching you
15:39<frosch123>does it judge me?
15:40<Eddi|zuHause>yes, it judges what else you might be interested in
15:40<frosch123>i think google has quite a good opinion of me compared to the rest of the internet :p
15:41<chillcore>ah that is what it looks like
15:41<chillcore>I watched a review without images
15:42<chillcore>watched == heard noise in the background
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15:45<chillcore>I really hope peeps do not spend money on that
15:45<frosch123>it's pay-what-you-want
15:45<chillcore>hmm ... ok
15:45<frosch123>minimum is 0 :)
15:46<chillcore>I dunno ... my first flash game was this vector mouse that ran a way from the mouse
15:47<chillcore>I called it catch the mouse
15:47<chillcore>I should have it somewhere still
15:47<frosch123>you are chasing a mouse with a mouse?
15:48<frosch123>would make more sense if it was an elephant
15:48<chillcore>lol actually it is the mousepointer chasing the mouse
15:48<chillcore>details ...
15:49<frosch123>mouse and mouse-pointer are identified via voodoo
15:49<frosch123>they are the same entity
15:49<chillcore>but I had a moving background :P
15:51<chillcore>I should put that half baked interactive html/JavaScript tutorial online some day
15:51<chillcore>just for shizz and giggles
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15:55<chillcore>nothing too fancy mind you ... just stuffs I made while learning
15:55<frosch123>that does not matter :) you only need luck to make millions with it
15:55<chillcore>there is so many stuffs missing and it is outdated
15:56<chillcore>it has working axamples and you click throught to see simplified code
15:56<chillcore>a table with all safe colours and such
15:57<frosch123>safe colours? as in 256-colour mode with shared palette?
15:58<frosch123>then it's old indeed :)
16:00<Eddi|zuHause>i never even tried to make flash
16:00<Eddi|zuHause>i learned how to make java applets once
16:00<Eddi|zuHause>but i forgot all of it
16:00<chillcore>kinda fun ... that too can be fun
16:01<@peter1138>COLOUR 9
16:01<@peter1138>^ red/cyan flash
16:01<chillcore>you can import flash in director ... then it becomes really fun
16:01<Eddi|zuHause>is that like "character 7" makes a beep?
16:02<@peter1138>Nah, ^G = BEL(L) is rather more standard.
16:03<Eddi|zuHause>print(chr(7)) (or print('#7
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16:05<frosch123>oi, just noticed: octal numbers are actually usable up to number 7
16:07<chillcore>some languages did/do not use 0 ... so you can do 8
16:08<Eddi|zuHause>the only place where i have ever seen an application for octal numbers is linux file access rights
16:09<Eddi|zuHause>and i never really use them that way
16:09<Eddi|zuHause>more like "chomod a+x"
16:10<@Alberth>cheating :p
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16:10<Eddi|zuHause>well, that has the benefit of leaving the other bits unchanged :p
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16:12<Eddi|zuHause>especially for things like "u+w", you don't want to care whether the file has +x or not
16:14<frosch123>i only ever used 600, 644 or 755
16:14<chillcore>that ... or chown
16:15<frosch123>hmm,not true, i used group-access with group-sticky bit
16:16<Eddi|zuHause>i suppose the group bits are more used on actual multi user systems
16:17<chillcore>you want them on your single use pc too
16:17<chillcore>some progs go great lenghts for control
16:17<chillcore>it not always hackers
16:18<Eddi|zuHause>the only times i ever need to deal with groups is when "this user is not part of the 'access the sound hardware' group" errors occur
16:18<chillcore>or co-users
16:18<frosch123>i also have multiple accounts on my personal system
16:18<chillcore>eg. pc for your kids
16:18<frosch123>e.g. a "devzone" user with the devzone wine setup :)
16:18<Eddi|zuHause>i never ever ran a program as not-me (except for root)
16:19<frosch123>there are also some chroots, not sure whether they count as separate users
16:20<chillcore>progs should never have root completely
16:20<chillcore>higher the some users sure ... but not match root
16:21<@Alberth>hmm, what's the point of root if nobody can use it ? :)
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16:21<chillcore>you can use it
16:22<Eddi|zuHause>well, i suppose i could set up a user for "edit /etc files". but why bother?
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16:23<chillcore>your kid can have access to games but not sytem files
16:23<Eddi|zuHause>you just get lost in "well, this needs now also acces to that" problems
16:23<chillcore>normal progs can do deal with user dir just fine
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16:23<Eddi|zuHause>chillcore: but that's what a normal login already does.
16:23<chillcore>except for installing
16:24<chillcore>but some progs override your settings as root
16:24<chillcore>they should not be able to
16:25<chillcore>eg. steam files
16:25<Eddi|zuHause>steam runs happily as user here
16:26<Eddi|zuHause>it just needs the ability to update its own files
16:26<chillcore>disable cache in config
16:26<chillcore>start steam ...
16:27<Eddi|zuHause>i don't know what you're talking about
16:27<chillcore>it is just an example of a prog overwriting your settings ;)
16:27<chillcore>just 1
16:27<Eddi|zuHause>what settings?
16:28<chillcore>in your steam folder you have a config folder inside cache folder
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16:28<chillcore>deny writeaccsess on that folder, start steam and check again
16:29<Eddi|zuHause>so, you complain that steam accesses its own configuration files?
16:30<chillcore>it does so as superuser ... while it works fine without that folder for me?
16:30<Eddi|zuHause>i still don't understand what you're trying to say
16:31<@Alberth>write access on a folder means you cannot create or remove files
16:31<Eddi|zuHause>how is setting back the access rights to a folder you own "superuser"?
16:33<@Terkhen>good night
16:42<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: i think chillcore is hinting at a steam bug, which does and rm -rf / or rm -rf ~, if some files are missing or inaccessible
16:43<frosch123>i do not remember which, but everyone was surprised how calm the guy was, who discovered it :p
16:43<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: yeah, i have seen something like that. but what that does not have anything to do with "superuser"
16:45<chillcore>If I set something with root I expect that not to change?
16:45<chillcore>if a program then decides to exit screaming that is fine
16:46<Eddi|zuHause>i really can't decide whether you're just arguing for arguments sake, or whether you have a total misconception about how those access rights work
16:47<chillcore>not argueing ... it was about multiple accounts ;)
16:48<frosch123>chillcore: btw. you can configure vms to not store modifications in the image file, so they revert everything on reboot
16:48<+glx>chillcore: you also changed owner of the folder ?
16:48<chillcore>in windows yes
16:49<chillcore>linux not yet tried
16:49<chillcore>I wanna keep my KSP :P
16:50<+glx>because modifying rights as root won't prevent modifying them as owner of the folder
16:50<chillcore>I think they just delete and remake
16:51<chillcore>I emty the folder after steam start and disable it
16:51<Eddi|zuHause>-w does not prevent removal
16:51<chillcore>works fine utill exit
16:51<Eddi|zuHause>but i have still no clue what you are actually talking about
16:52<+glx>I guess steam does all in its install folder like on windows
16:54<Eddi|zuHause>i don't really know what steam does internally. all i know is that there is a "library", and i can open secondary ones
16:55<Eddi|zuHause>and the library is in my home dir
16:55<Eddi|zuHause>where it belongs
16:56<chillcore>still need to finish Myst 5 ... XD
16:56<+glx>additionnal library is a nice feature when you add more storage space
16:58<Eddi|zuHause>yes. but i just moved my whole steam folder and symlinked it...
17:00<+glx>no need to move anything now
17:01<Eddi|zuHause>my /home is on the SSD, and is only 40GB. i try to keep all bigger stuff (like wine and steam) off there completely
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18:57<Oddingar> hello
19:02<Oddingar>good night :P
19:03<supermop>is planetmaker or other moderator about?
19:03<supermop>i want to split one of my posts off into new topic
19:04<Eddi|zuHause>supermop: there is a "report" button on your post, that you can use to make such requests
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20:00<supermop>better name suggestions welcomed
20:02<Eddi|zuHause>there is no tile in this game with a switch from one side to the other
20:03<Eddi|zuHause>also, those switches which are built into the network are usually ones that get you back to the right rail, because the other switches need to be run over at reduced speed because you are approaching them from the pointy end
20:05<Eddi|zuHause>so the kind you drew you would find in a drive-on-left country, but not in a drive-on-right
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20:06<Eddi|zuHause>some networks even go completely without such switches
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20:22<supermop>australia is drive on left
20:23<supermop>and that switch is to use in place of the U sprite
20:26<supermop>of course tram will still drive in a U
20:27<supermop>but at least the track itself won't look so odd while its not being used
20:27<supermop>the U is so tight that it looks absurd both in use and when empty
20:27<supermop>a shunt at least only looks absurd in one of the two cases
20:31<Eddi|zuHause>well, then you should still listen to the drive-on-right switch
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20:42<supermop>i can provide a mirrored sprite for drive on right
20:42<supermop>all of the yellow marking on the junctions would need to be fliped for drive on right as well
20:43<Eddi|zuHause>tbh, they feel out of place
20:46<supermop>te markings?
20:47<supermop>i was worried tracks looked too plain so i added those maybe they are not needed
20:47<Eddi|zuHause>yellow on white is not a good combination anyway
20:48<supermop>they are supposed to represent the dots that show drivers where to press a switch to select points direction
20:48<supermop>but they have to be way too close
20:48<supermop>as there is no way to have them show up on preceeding tile
20:49<Eddi|zuHause>over here they have a hole in the switch body where you can put a metal rod in to manually change the switch
20:49<supermop>the dots are sometimes metal studs, would tht look better?
20:49<supermop>they have that here too but only on the less often used switches
20:50<supermop>the points regularly used in both directions have the sensor and dots
20:50<Eddi|zuHause>well, for normal operation they have transponders in the ground that trigger when a tram is above them
20:51<Eddi|zuHause>it also handles the messages spoken inside the tram, like next stop
20:51<supermop>i also thought of a metal grate or panel over the mechanism between point
20:51<Eddi|zuHause>and traffic lights
20:51<Eddi|zuHause>its about a hand-sized circular thing in the middle of the rail
20:51<Eddi|zuHause>usually black
20:52<supermop>here is seems buried
20:52<Eddi|zuHause>it's level with the road (if there is one)
20:52<supermop>you see in those areas squares that have been cut into the concrete to place a loop of wire for antenna
20:52<Eddi|zuHause>they also have them on the bus routes
20:53<Eddi|zuHause>that sounds more like an induction loop
20:53<supermop>what about the concrete aggregate? too noisy?
20:54<Eddi|zuHause>that needs to be seen in context with other stuff
20:57<supermop>hmm if i draw the centerline for the road over the concrete, then wherever a straight tram runs across a road curve or junction, the centerline will continue
20:57<supermop>seems no way to let a road's markings show through and keep the concrete
20:58<Eddi|zuHause>use alpha
20:59<supermop>would that mean that raw asphalt shows through in the areas where there are no markings?
21:01<supermop>hmm seems one way and do not enter markings are drawn above road but below tram
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21:22<supermop>any more suggestions?
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23:43<openbu|2>GRF Maker ,Stream read error
23:45<openbu|2>GRF Maker ,,Ranger check error
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