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#openttd IRC Logs for 2015-04-17

---Logopened Fri Apr 17 00:00:37 2015
00:01<supermop>yeah semester seems to be winding up already here
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00:01<supermop>fiance is just off to class herself now
00:01<supermop>some of these building will need to be chopped up
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01:26<andythenorth>why are my early mornings full of Queenslanders :o
01:26*andythenorth caught a mouse
01:26<V453000>because no
01:29<Pikkaphone>because it's 3.30 in the afternoon and I'm off to find some lunch, I'm starving!
01:29<Pikkaphone>probably get disconnected in a second when I lose the wireless
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02:07<supermop>damn nexus 5 power button
02:07<supermop>i cant only get even halfway through booting this thing by continuously smacking it
02:29<V453000>smack it more
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02:42<kamnet>hehehe. smack it. smack it. hit it. hehehehe.
02:47<V453000>wreck it break it bork it
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03:22<supermop>seems i can order and solder on a new power button
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04:10<supermop>yo planetmaker
04:25<kamnet>good morning supermop and planetmaker
04:26<kamnet>I had to get on Asus' case about my girlfriends' Nexus 7. Stopped charging, sent it in for warranty repair, they claimed that the charging port was damaged and voided the warranty.
04:27<kamnet>I countered that if it was damaged it was because of a design fault and not user mistreatment, and if they didn't fix it under warranty I'd start giving them bad reviews, specifically about them dishonoring their own warranty.
04:27<kamnet>A week later, brand new unit shows up, no charge.
04:28<kamnet>I was particularly upset that they wanted to charge 4100 to perform the repair. That repair involves opening the case, removing a screw, unplugging the old power unit and screwing in a new $6 replacement.
04:28<kamnet>charge $100, even.
04:41<supermop>$4100 to fix a nexus 7 would be a tad excessive
04:42<supermop>hehe, penis string in infra sharing
04:42<supermop>how'd that end up in there
04:51<supermop>hmm managed to have a 13 gb recycle bin
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05:17<supermop>drawing grey pixels to make a wall look like its concrete in 8b is excruciating
05:20<Pikka>why 8bpp?
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05:27<Flygon>supermop: Artists are the world's hardest worker :D
05:28*Flygon currently 20-24fpsizing an animation loop
05:28*Flygon managing around 4-5 frames a day inking alone
05:28<supermop>Pikka: because i found these old sprites and got sucked into trying to fix them
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06:02<Pikka>meh :)
06:03<Flygon>Pikka: I changed tracks already
06:03<Flygon>I'm now up to some sort of deserty track
06:03<Flygon>I forgot what stage it is
06:03<Flygon>They're unlabelled
06:04<Flygon>Streaming without knowing what your music even is
06:04<Flygon>i shur am akspert
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06:18*andythenorth ponders Australian Horse
06:18<andythenorth>Iron Kangaroo
06:18<andythenorth>Iron Wallaby
06:23<andythenorth>Iron Drop Bear
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06:37<Pikka>Iron Mate
06:38<Pikka>Iron Bark?
06:38<andythenorth>Iron Gday
06:39<Pikka>Iron Cobber
06:40<Pikka>Iron Soup
06:40<andythenorth>Iron Over-priced Coffee
06:40<andythenorth>Brisbane special
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06:40<andythenorth>offended him
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06:41<Pikka>Iron Bruce?
06:44<andythenorth>Iron Flaming Galar
07:01<Eddi|zuHause>Upside Down Horse?
07:02<andythenorth>dead horse
07:02<andythenorth>flog it
07:06<kamnet>I leave that to the Republicans. Nasty work.
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09:16<V453000>xd the bridge heads also have the recolour mask
09:16<V453000>fucking hell
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09:34<V453000>ok rawr code just exceeded 1 million characters :D
09:37<@planetmaker>using extra long file paths? :D
09:37<V453000>,"gfx/BRIDGES_0000.png","gfx/BRIDGES_mask_8bpp.png") } :d
09:37<V453000>aint that long
09:38<@planetmaker><V453000> ,"gfx/super-duper-long/ehanced_view/try42/withextra-excess/BRIDGES_0000.png","gfx/super-duper-long/ehanced_view/try42/withextra-excess/BRIDGES_0000.png") } ;)
09:38<V453000>nay :D everything is in one HUGE image :D
09:38<V453000>... actually a couple images but yeah
09:38<V453000>a couple HUGE images XD
09:39<V453000>after effects cant have compositions larger than 30x30 thousand pixels :(
09:41<V453000>1m characters seem to be like 13k lines
09:41<V453000>so it isnt that bad :P
09:41<V453000>nuts has 2,8M characters
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09:54<V453000>btw I added some moar sprites and I am getting memory errors again XD but when I hit compile again, it works ... probably because it caches in the first run and then continues :D so not a real problem
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10:13<kamnet>This is so me:
10:13<@planetmaker>V453000, you should document them slightly better than "memory errors". It would need a possibility to try to reproduce that. Or at least get the exact message
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12:16<Flygon>You lead me to reading What-If
12:16<Flygon>and I ignored the warning on #136
12:16<Flygon>Now I'm gonna have nightmares
12:17<Eddi|zuHause>hm, i haven't read what-if in ages
12:18<kamnet>I actually read the whole case study
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12:28<Eddi|zuHause>oh. i've never been afraid of spiders...
12:28<Eddi|zuHause>spiders are our friends
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12:31<Eddi|zuHause>hm... what-if seems to have been a bit more crude on estimations in the past... like i'd have expected a "let's assume all the biomass on the earth is spiders"...
12:32<andythenorth>that’s silly
12:32<andythenorth>all the biomass on earth is cats
12:33<andythenorth>“where is biomass?"
12:38<@Alberth>distributed over earth
12:38*andythenorth adds ‘biomass’ to FIRS
12:38<andythenorth>consolidates the farm cargos
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12:39<Eddi|zuHause>accomodated both living and dead cows? :p
12:41<Flygon>I'm Australian
12:41<Flygon>I have a dedicated anti-spider Flamethrower
12:41<Flygon>I call it Sally
12:42<andythenorth>everyone is Australian
12:46<@Alberth>hi mate
12:47<kamnet>I swear, I'm going to drive over to my doctor's office, rip somebody's arms out of their sockets and beat them with it.
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13:02<Eddi|zuHause>Flygon: that makes sense, because in australia, everything that moves wants to kill you.
13:02<Eddi|zuHause>it's not like a civilised country in europe...
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13:31<kamnet>Especially the trains. They're dangerous.
13:32<kamnet>They can run down and eat a gazelle in a quarter mile.
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14:05<andythenorth>@seen danmack
14:05<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: danmack was last seen in #openttd 22 hours, 5 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <DanMacK> Hey all
14:06<Eddi|zuHause>now all you have to do is go to bed in 2 hours 4 minutes
14:06<andythenorth>I can manage that
14:07<Eddi|zuHause>we all knew that :p
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14:08<andythenorth>‘all’ is a strong claim
14:08<andythenorth>as is ‘knew'
14:08<andythenorth>I skipped the philosophy classes on ‘knew'
14:08<andythenorth>in fact, I skipped most philosophy classes
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14:14<andythenorth>quak etc
14:14<andythenorth>how can the game be better?
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14:17<andythenorth>isn’t that a brand name for voxels?
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14:21<Eddi|zuHause>what does your philosophy lecture about "brand" say?
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14:23<andythenorth>I didn’t go
14:23<andythenorth>fortunately I’ve had a career in advertising
14:23<andythenorth>so I have my own brand philosophy
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14:35*andythenorth ponders
14:35<andythenorth>can we put a power grid into OpenTTD?
14:36<andythenorth>or more specifically, can we put an arbitrary value grid into OpenTTD?
14:36<Eddi|zuHause>you mean, like a linkgraph?
14:37<Eddi|zuHause>in any case, "can we.." is the wrong question
14:37<andythenorth>well yes, words
14:37<andythenorth>per tile, or per 16 tile block or whatever works, some values
14:38<andythenorth>16 would be enough
14:38<andythenorth>for hacks, like electricity, other power
14:38<Eddi|zuHause>you're probably looking for a game script
14:38<andythenorth>also possibly cargo demand / pricing
14:38<andythenorth>yes, probably GS
14:38<Eddi|zuHause>anyway, a GS won't do it, if you don't have the right interfaces
14:39<andythenorth>interfaces are the problem, e.g. newgrf industry
14:39<andythenorth>and others
14:40<Eddi|zuHause>you need a detached interface. a GS cannot provide new pricing values on each delivery, like a NewGRF callback could do. instead you need to store a variable somewhere in the game, that the default calculation (or a newgrf calculation) can pick up on
14:40*andythenorth wonders about the much-unused town newgrf stuff
14:40<Eddi|zuHause>GS is good on periodic updates, not on immediate reaction
14:41<Eddi|zuHause>you shouldn't think in NewGRFs if you're developing a GS
14:41<andythenorth>how much of this is done?
14:41<Eddi|zuHause>you need to work it out with the default calculations
14:42*andythenorth wonders about town persistent storage
14:42<andythenorth>and if GS can read it yet
14:42<andythenorth>probably not
14:43<Eddi|zuHause>again. you cannot ever mix the two thoughts. it's never going to work out
14:43<andythenorth>this discussion is about a feature seeking a use case btw :P
14:44<andythenorth>I have a vague idea about a GS that builds new towns based on establishing power stations + delivering to them
14:44<andythenorth>but eh, no idea how to do it
14:45<andythenorth>hmm this fish is dead
14:47<andythenorth>ammonia test is yellow (fine)
14:49<andythenorth>nitrate is blue (fine)
14:49<andythenorth>nitrite is fine
14:49<Eddi|zuHause>maybe 't was the cat?
14:49<andythenorth>the cat is not ours
14:49<andythenorth>it sneaks in
14:50<andythenorth>maybe it was the mouse
14:50<Eddi|zuHause>does the cat know that?
14:50<andythenorth>caught a mouse in the house last night
14:50<andythenorth>kids also said they saw a ‘big mouse'
14:50<andythenorth>which last time meant a rat
14:50<andythenorth>a rat as big as the cat
14:51<andythenorth>hmm high range pH looks ok, but one dead fish, and the rest are arguing with each other
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14:54<andythenorth>hmm fish is not dead
14:54*andythenorth puts it in clove oil
15:03<andythenorth>or not
15:03<andythenorth>it swam off
15:13<kamnet>Glad fish is alive
15:14<andythenorth>might not live
15:14<andythenorth>fed it some peas
15:14<andythenorth>eh we’ll see
15:14<andythenorth>bloody pets
15:16<kamnet>I have a cat. The struggle is real.
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15:32<kamnet>Evening wolf
15:46<frosch123>has anyone played stardrive2 ?
15:47<frosch123>it looks very similar to master of orion
15:49<andythenorth>considering this
15:49<andythenorth>"Bringing back explodiness"
15:51<frosch123>that does not look like master of orion :p
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19:52<kamnet|AFK>Is it bedtime yet?
19:54<Eddi|zuHause>probably 3 hours ago...
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20:09<kamnet|AFK>I was taking a nap 3 hours ago
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20:18<Eddi|zuHause>that probably doesn't help with bedtime :p
20:22<kamnet|AFK>No. Probably not. LOL
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