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| 06:47 | <Pikka> | http://i.imgur.com/VYOKlIN.png beep beep |
| 06:48 | <V453000> | =D |
| 06:48 | <V453000> | nice |
| 06:48 | <V453000> | so cute |
| 06:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | has the typical 32bpp problem of looking too much like a toy due to the shortness |
| 06:49 | <Pikka> | not much more than the real thing :P |
| 06:49 | <Pikka> | http://archive.mers.org.im/BROWNBUS45.jpg |
| 06:50 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you can't really trust photos, they're often made with distorting lenses |
| 06:50 | <Pikka> | okay, well |
| 06:51 | <Pikka> | Leyland PD2s were 26 feet long, or a shade under 8 meters |
| 06:51 | <Pikka> | modern buses are about 11-12 meters long |
| 06:52 | <Pikka> | although that photo is actually a 30 foot PD3 |
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| 11:45 | <@Alberth> | hi hi |
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| 12:01 | <frosch123> | hoi |
| 12:01 | <frosch123> | "nmlc --version" prints a PIL version |
| 12:02 | <frosch123> | should it say pillow version? |
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| 12:03 | <@Alberth> | fair enough :) |
| 12:04 | <@Alberth> | Don't think you can distinguish between the two |
| 12:04 | <@Alberth> | although, for Python 3, there isn't a PIL, probably |
| 12:05 | <frosch123> | from PIL import Image <- well, i guess PIL is not that wrong then |
| 12:06 | <frosch123> | let's address it with the api name :) |
| 12:07 | <@Alberth> | :) |
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| 12:39 | <@Terkhen> | hello |
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| 12:54 | <andythenorth> | o/ |
| 12:57 | <@Alberth> | moin |
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| 13:20 | <andythenorth> | is it cat? |
| 13:20 | <V453000> | yes |
| 13:22 | <frosch123> | it looks like coffee to me |
| 13:22 | <frosch123> | cat juice looks different |
| 13:23 | * | andythenorth hopes frosch123 hasn’t made a terrible mistake |
| 13:26 | <frosch123> | yeah, the unicorns get upset if i eat/drink their food |
| 13:29 | <andythenorth> | how does the rocking horse feel about it? |
| 13:30 | <frosch123> | does your cat have a rocking horse? |
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| 13:44 | <andythenorth> | yes |
| 13:45 | <andythenorth> | it rides it around |
| 13:45 | <andythenorth> | making clip-clop noises |
| 13:47 | <andythenorth> | https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pk0ub5j5s#line-71 |
| 13:47 | <andythenorth> | there must be a better way |
| 13:48 | <andythenorth> | (1) the hide_sprite expressions are slow to expand |
| 13:48 | <andythenorth> | (2) it’s daft |
| 13:48 | <andythenorth> | (3) it hits the register limit if any more date graphics are added |
| 13:48 | <andythenorth> | sorry, it is just a wall of spritelayouts |
| 13:48 | <frosch123> | put the "hide_sprite" into a register |
| 13:49 | <andythenorth> | that was one thought |
| 13:49 | <andythenorth> | but |
| 13:49 | <andythenorth> | the repeated spritelayouts only vary by the actual sprite |
| 13:49 | <frosch123> | put all the sprites into a single spriteset |
| 13:49 | <andythenorth> | machine_shop_spriteset_11_4_snow |
| 13:49 | <frosch123> | so you only need one layout |
| 13:49 | <andythenorth> | yes |
| 13:49 | <andythenorth> | I just don’t know how to do it yet :) |
| 13:50 | <andythenorth> | the required sprites are all defined in the python compile, so changing the templating to use them should be trivial |
| 13:50 | <andythenorth> | if I can figure out what’s needed :) |
| 13:58 | <@Alberth> | hehe, nice pre-condition :) |
| 14:00 | <andythenorth> | default :P |
| 14:02 | <andythenorth> | if I want the value for a STORE_TEMP() to be conditional, I need to branch switches? No other way? |
| 14:03 | <andythenorth> | nml docs has an example that stacks ternary op on a “condition ? new : previous” approach |
| 14:03 | * | andythenorth ponders |
| 14:03 | <andythenorth> | https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/entry/src/templates/spritelayouts.pynml#L168 |
| 14:04 | <andythenorth> | is the repeat that builds the spritelayout, need to convert that to switch(es) |
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| 14:39 | * | andythenorth works on it |
| 14:42 | <andythenorth> | STORE_TEMP(value, register), register is always an int? |
| 14:42 | <andythenorth> | NML won’t expand identifiers and auto-assign numbers? |
| 14:46 | <@Alberth> | no idea what that means :) |
| 14:47 | * | andythenorth should write better questions |
| 14:49 | <Eddi|zuHause> | anybody lost a solid gold AK-47 while visiting St. Petersburg? http://englishrussia.com/2015/05/15/solid-gold-ak-47-lost-in-taxi/ |
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| 14:53 | <Rubidium> | right... rich enough to afford a gold (and therefor pointless) gun, but poor enough to have to take a cab |
| 14:53 | <Johnnei> | Priorities :p |
| 14:54 | * | andythenorth has boxed himself into a corner |
| 14:54 | <andythenorth> | meh |
| 14:55 | <andythenorth> | I will spend much more time unpicking this than I will save in compiles :) |
| 14:55 | <andythenorth> | but it will be more correct |
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| 15:00 | <qwebirc31196> | starbud here |
| 15:00 | <qwebirc31196> | http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=66530&sid=ad44a8fd2541f5e3f1b3ad2dec93a9fd |
| 15:00 | <qwebirc31196> | happy did you see this one? |
| 15:01 | <Eddi|zuHause> | looks terrible |
| 15:03 | <andythenorth> | if I’ve started thinking in trees, does that mean I’m growing a programmer brain? |
| 15:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | no |
| 15:03 | <andythenorth> | good |
| 15:03 | * | andythenorth was worried |
| 15:04 | * | andythenorth is not programmer |
| 15:04 | <Eddi|zuHause> | just that you're missing the wood |
| 15:04 | <andythenorth> | :P |
| 15:04 | <andythenorth> | if you have a tree-shaped hammer, is everything a wooden nail? |
| 15:06 | * | andythenorth is develoloper |
| 15:08 | <Eddi|zuHause> | deveLOLoper? |
| 15:09 | <TrueBrain> | lol-owl-lol |
| 15:10 | <Johnnei> | anythenorth codes lolcode :p |
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| 15:34 | <Wolf01> | o/ |
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| 15:50 | <andythenorth> | one day I’ll learn how to teach make |
| 15:50 | <andythenorth> | then I can teach it the actual deps |
| 15:50 | <andythenorth> | and stop relying make clean |
| 15:51 | <andythenorth> | * on |
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| 16:16 | <mczapkie> | Good Evening |
| 16:16 | <frosch123> | hoi |
| 16:17 | <mczapkie> | I found following dbg error in logs: industry_cmd.cpp:2052: Backupped value was not restored! |
| 16:18 | <mczapkie> | does anybody know, what can be a cause? |
| 16:19 | <frosch123> | you canceled map generation |
| 16:25 | <mczapkie> | exactly, during industry generation loop (if industry number is high) |
| 16:25 | <frosch123> | no problem then :) |
| 16:26 | <mczapkie> | I got some desync lately and was suspicious that my industry newgrf is a cause |
| 16:26 | <frosch123> | it's caused by the way the canceling is implemented |
| 16:26 | <frosch123> | industry grfs are pretty safe wrt. desyncs |
| 16:27 | <frosch123> | usually only vehicle grfs cause trouble |
| 16:27 | <mczapkie> | even if some temp/perm registers are in use? |
| 16:27 | <frosch123> | yes, we hardened that :) |
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| 16:28 | <mczapkie> | it is great, that these desync are not my problem :) |
| 16:29 | <mczapkie> | probably xUSSR set and its sophisticated running cost calculation |
| 16:29 | <frosch123> | anyway, if you want to help finding the desync |
| 16:29 | <frosch123> | http://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/file/39f78f3d8423/docs/desync.txt#l141 <- see section 2.1 and 2.2 |
| 16:30 | <frosch123> | desync caused by vehicle grfs are usually detected with 2.1 |
| 16:31 | <mczapkie> | yes, I know procedure, but usually I run off resources before desync is recorded (if savegame is dumped) |
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| 16:33 | <mczapkie> | but cache debugging is a good idea - section 2.1 is doable (in terms of limited quota) |
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| 16:40 | <andythenorth> | “when you have a python, everything looks like an iterable" |
| 16:49 | <SpComb> | you can do anything with a for loop |
| 16:50 | <andythenorth> | list comprehension |
| 16:50 | * | andythenorth back to making FIRS faster |
| 16:50 | <andythenorth> | this 3 hours work might shave 6s off the compile :P |
| 17:01 | <mczapkie> | I dont understand, why tractive effort for all USSR locomotives is decreased if compared to real prototypes |
| 17:02 | <+michi_cc> | andythenorth: Daily compiles for the next five years should do it: https://xkcd.com/1205/ :) |
| 17:02 | <andythenorth> | that chart again :) |
| 17:03 | <andythenorth> | also, doing it right is better sometimes |
| 17:03 | <andythenorth> | no matter how long it takes :P |
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| 17:10 | <andythenorth> | bye |
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| 17:11 | <mczapkie> | Let me take a French leave... |
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| 17:21 | <luaduck> | are there any known server side crashes in 1.5.0? we've crashed twice in three days in UpdateVehicleTimetable |
| 17:25 | <frosch123> | none wrt. that function |
| 17:25 | <frosch123> | there is a known crash caused by roadrunnerai |
| 17:25 | <frosch123> | and a known crash by loading old savegames (should not affect a server) |
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| 17:38 | <Wolf01> | 'night |
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| 18:04 | <Eddi|zuHause> | this picture makes my brain hurt :/ http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1149354#p1149354 |
| 18:11 | <Supercheese> | agreed |
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| 20:06 | <supermop> | yo |
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| 21:04 | <Gantradies> | hey |
| 21:04 | <Gantradies> | erm. |
| 21:04 | <Gantradies> | bit of an odd question |
| 21:05 | <Gantradies> | is there somewhere where i can nab the 1.4.4 Winx64 stable installer srtill? |
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| 21:05 | <Gantradies> | our server's running 1.4.4 and i dont know linuix well enoguh ot update it wityhout the fear of screwing something up ( our admin insisted on a linuix console session, something aobut less load) |
| 21:06 | <Supercheese> | there should be |
| 21:06 | <Gantradies> | first look on the site only has donwloads for the new version available, and im still sleepy right now |
| 21:06 | <Supercheese> | http://us.binaries.openttd.org/binaries/releases/1.4.4/index.html |
| 21:07 | <Gantradies> | thank you! |
| 21:07 | <Supercheese> | or you can choose a closer mirror if you aren't in the US |
| 21:07 | <Gantradies> | any major changes in the new version i sohudl know aobut? oyuk now, anything big? |
| 21:08 | <+glx> | it should pick the closest one if you remove the us. part |
| 21:08 | <Supercheese> | yeah was copypasted before I could edit |
| 21:08 | <Supercheese> | could/thought to |
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| 23:55 | <supermop> | quiet day |
| --- | Log | closed Wed May 20 00:00:54 2015 |
