| --- | Log | opened Wed Jun 17 00:00:33 2015 |
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| 02:45 | <Pikka> | exactly |
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| 03:03 | <andythenorth> | agreed |
| 03:04 | <andythenorth> | Pikka: ‘Dump Tram / Dump Truck’ or ‘Mining Tram / Mining Truck’ ? |
| 03:04 | * | andythenorth suspects scrap metal is not mined |
| 03:09 | <Pikka> | I went with "tipper", I think. |
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| 03:12 | * | andythenorth considers it |
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| 03:23 | <andythenorth> | Pikka bob, presumably you don’t have any stupid big mining trucks in your plan? |
| 03:24 | <Pikka> | nope, not at all |
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| 03:24 | <andythenorth> | what do your tipper trucks refit? |
| 03:24 | <andythenorth> | or is there a link to something I can read? |
| 03:24 | <andythenorth> | :P |
| 03:24 | <Pikka> | just about anything bulk |
| 03:25 | * | andythenorth hmms |
| 03:26 | <Pikka> | hmm |
| 03:26 | <Pikka> | they refit (currently) |
| 03:27 | <Pikka> | anything bulk, not powderised or covered (those go in the covered hopper) |
| 03:27 | <Pikka> | and explicitly allow wood and scrap and explicitly disallow grain, wheat, maize and fruit. |
| 03:29 | <andythenorth> | grain is disallowed because...? |
| 03:29 | <V453000> | asdf |
| 03:29 | <Pikka> | because it goes in the covered hoppers |
| 03:30 | <andythenorth> | k |
| 03:30 | <Pikka> | and it's more consistent with the train wagons |
| 03:32 | <andythenorth> | I am trying to keep consistent with Iron Horse |
| 03:32 | <andythenorth> | but I think it’s a slavish consistency :P |
| 03:35 | <V453000> | what things are baking dudez? :) |
| 03:36 | <V453000> | I am on a serioze mission of learning blender now |
| 03:36 | <V453000> | shitting pants daily |
| 03:40 | * | andythenorth wonders whether to add pointless Box Truck |
| 03:40 | <andythenorth> | for consistency with Iron Horse |
| 03:40 | <Pikka> | definitely |
| 03:42 | * | andythenorth steals from pikka |
| 03:42 | <andythenorth> | http://pikkarail.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/3rd_gen_rvs.png |
| 03:43 | <andythenorth> | box / flat / tanker / tipper / livestock / covered hopper |
| 03:43 | <andythenorth> | did I win a prize? |
| 03:43 | <Pikka> | splendid :) |
| 03:43 | <V453000> | =D |
| 03:43 | <V453000> | that dude |
| 03:43 | <andythenorth> | do box and flat refit everything? |
| 03:44 | <V453000> | the other-than-dude trucks are nice too Pikka :P |
| 03:44 | <Pikka> | just about |
| 03:45 | <Pikka> | iirc box is mail, valuables, express and piece. flat is piece and goods (containers). Livestock is express and piece. |
| 03:45 | <Pikka> | thanks v :P |
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| 03:49 | <@planetmaker> | moin |
| 03:50 | <andythenorth> | hmm |
| 03:50 | <andythenorth> | woodchips in dump trucks |
| 03:50 | <andythenorth> | overthinking it |
| 03:50 | <andythenorth> | stuff that |
| 03:50 | <Pikka> | all danmack's fault, with his woodchip hoppers for NARS |
| 03:51 | <Pikka> | anyway, my light-coloured generic bulkstuff looks a bit like woodchips, so I thought why not? |
| 04:00 | * | andythenorth tweaks |
| 04:10 | <andythenorth> | also bbl |
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| 04:29 | <supermop_> | dump tram? |
| 04:30 | <supermop_> | wood in hopper confuses me |
| 04:31 | <supermop_> | i dont really consider sawdust to still be wood |
| 04:31 | <supermop_> | but ive never played ecs so idk if it has some significance there |
| 04:32 | <supermop_> | i just imagine they'd make the mdf at the same place they make the plywood, not at the forest |
| 04:33 | <Pikka> | woodchips, not sawdust... |
| 04:33 | <supermop_> | finally replaced these type 2s with 92s on this ore line |
| 04:33 | <Pikka> | dan's idea :P |
| 04:34 | <supermop_> | takes forever to get considerable production out of a mine in manpower ind. |
| 04:34 | <supermop_> | still seems to wasteful to chew up the trees straight away |
| 04:35 | <supermop_> | maybe if sawmill produced chips as waste as well as lumber |
| 04:35 | <supermop_> | and paper mill could use either wood or chips |
| 04:37 | <supermop_> | now cut up the type 2s or displace some class 20s on small ore line |
| 04:43 | <supermop_> | i guess displacing class 20s is not very historically accurate |
| 04:43 | <supermop_> | do have a pair of 08s moving lumber could replace |
| 04:44 | <supermop_> | Pikka: i'm going to try modelling an A class and B class in the next few days |
| 04:44 | <Pikka> | awesome :) |
| 05:02 | <supermop_> | how was the end of your semester? |
| 05:10 | <Pikka> | all good |
| 05:10 | <Pikka> | kickstarter time now, as soon as I stop playing ksp :P |
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| 05:33 | <supermop_> | haha |
| 05:34 | <supermop_> | fiance had her last exam ever last night- now we're down to only 3 weeks left |
| 05:34 | <supermop_> | may squeeze in a quick qld trip if we can find a cheap flight |
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| 08:12 | <Flygon> | supermop_: See Puffing Billy if you haven't already |
| 08:30 | <supermop_> | sounds like a stoner |
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| 09:51 | <EXetoC> | import("util.superlib", "SuperLib", 36); where do I put superlib on linux for that to work? |
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| 10:08 | <@planetmaker> | EXetoC, into your game/library or ai/library folder - whatever you write |
| 10:11 | <@planetmaker> | also see section 4.2 of the readme :) |
| 10:11 | <@planetmaker> | GS Libraries: game/libraries (or a subdirectory thereof) |
| 10:11 | <@planetmaker> | (thus I was kinda wrong) |
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| 10:13 | <EXetoC> | not game/library? I've tried a lot of combinations |
| 10:17 | <@planetmaker> | hm... library. Probably. I only have 'library' folders |
| 10:24 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by planetmaker :: r27299 trunk/readme.txt (2015-06-17 16:24:41 +0200 ) |
| 10:24 | <@DorpsGek> | -Doc: game script and ai library paths were wrong in readme. |
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| 10:36 | <EXetoC> | "~/.openttd/game/library/util/SuperLib-39.tar.gz" is that wrong? and yes I'm trying to request version 39 now. I downloaded the latest version |
| 10:37 | <@planetmaker> | path looks ok to me. However you don't import it with any path given |
| 10:38 | <@planetmaker> | (all IIRC, I didn't ever write any script for OpenTTD) |
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| 10:44 | <@Alberth> | hihi |
| 10:45 | <@planetmaker> | hi albert :) |
| 10:45 | <@Alberth> | fork a bee, get hacking :) |
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| 10:46 | <@planetmaker> | hehe, yeah |
| 10:46 | <@Alberth> | (don't do import either though :) ) |
| 10:46 | <EXetoC> | it works now. I installed it via the game |
| 10:47 | <EXetoC> | maybe I should have omitted .gz |
| 10:48 | <@Alberth> | unpacking it, more likely |
| 10:49 | <@Alberth> | ie gzip -d superlib-39.tar.gz |
| 10:50 | <EXetoC> | yeah |
| 10:52 | <EXetoC> | when are we getting a neural network-based AI? |
| 10:55 | <@Alberth> | as soon as you publish one |
| 10:55 | <EXetoC> | d(:)|< |
| 10:56 | <@Alberth> | no idea what that means, but since none has been published yet, apparently, you can safely assume it won't happen unless you do something yourself |
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| 11:11 | <FLHerne> | It looks like a person wearing a baseball cap? |
| 11:11 | <FLHerne> | But sideways and made out of ASCII |
| 11:14 | <@Alberth> | you don't happen to know the meaning of persons with baseball caps, do you? |
| 11:21 | <EXetoC> | it's all on me? oh the pressure. ok give me a week, just gotta read up on machine learning :> |
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| 11:21 | <EXetoC> | Alberth: I don't. I hope I didn't use that emoticon inappropriately |
| 11:22 | <@Alberth> | :) |
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| 11:25 | <@Alberth> | hihi |
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| 14:21 | <frosch123> | moin |
| 14:22 | <@Alberth> | moin |
| 14:22 | <EXetoC> | kartoffel |
| 14:22 | <EXetoC> | or something |
| 14:26 | <frosch123> | planetmaker: https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=73204 <- i guess we need a new devzone compile target :) |
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| 14:31 | <andythenorth> | o/ |
| 14:33 | <@Alberth> | o/ |
| 14:33 | <andythenorth> | is cat tired? |
| 14:33 | * | andythenorth is tired |
| 14:33 | <andythenorth> | called code freeze today |
| 14:34 | <andythenorth> | seems a long time since April 13th :P |
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| 15:22 | <andythenorth> | Road Hog |
| 15:22 | <andythenorth> | is terrible |
| 15:36 | <Eddi|zuHause> | what is ever not terrible? |
| 15:39 | <EXetoC> | bacon |
| 15:41 | <djdave> | agreed. Bacon is never terrible. |
| 15:42 | <andythenorth> | smoked bacon when you’re expecting unsmoked |
| 15:42 | <andythenorth> | terrible |
| 15:42 | <andythenorth> | green bacon |
| 15:42 | <andythenorth> | terrible |
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| 15:43 | <Wolf01> | hi hi |
| 15:43 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i'm not living in a world where bacon is not really a thing |
| 15:43 | <Eddi|zuHause> | -not |
| 15:43 | <Eddi|zuHause> | (either one of those) |
| 15:44 | <andythenorth> | can we remove RVs from the game? |
| 15:45 | <andythenorth> | then my set design is easy |
| 15:45 | <Eddi|zuHause> | no. |
| 15:45 | <@Alberth> | just disable the default RVs ? |
| 15:45 | <andythenorth> | composable RVs? |
| 15:45 | <EXetoC> | andythenorth: vegetarian bacon, made out of leaves and stuff? |
| 15:46 | <andythenorth> | similar to train consists |
| 15:46 | <Eddi|zuHause> | this "can't we just remove X and be done with it" is exactly the type of scenario where the world ends from a robot rebellion, when they decide X=human |
| 15:46 | <andythenorth> | well |
| 15:46 | <peter1138> | "Can't we just remove" said every Gnome developer, ever. |
| 15:46 | <andythenorth> | we need to distract the AI with sim games |
| 15:47 | <@Alberth> | with humans killing AIs ? |
| 15:47 | <Eddi|zuHause> | <andythenorth> composable RVs? <-- as it stands, nobody ever attempted to code this. |
| 15:48 | <andythenorth> | hmm |
| 15:48 | <andythenorth> | I think frosch started something |
| 15:48 | <andythenorth> | a long time ago |
| 15:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | that is only marginally above "i started something" :p |
| 15:48 | <andythenorth> | also I patched a cb that we decided would be needed for controlling attachment |
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| 15:49 | <andythenorth> | it was far enough to see that it was probably not worth bothering :P |
| 15:49 | <Eddi|zuHause> | anyway, i don't think it's the right way to go |
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| 15:49 | <peter1138> | "Would you like to make Internet Explorer your default browser?" nnnngggg |
| 15:49 | <andythenorth> | it would make set design easier, on one level |
| 15:49 | <andythenorth> | superficially :P |
| 15:49 | <Eddi|zuHause> | just offer multiple versions, one single and one or two articulated of every vehicle |
| 15:50 | <Eddi|zuHause> | peter1138: there should be a box that says "never ask this again" |
| 15:50 | <andythenorth> | there should be a box that says never ask this, ever :P |
| 15:51 | <andythenorth> | 'should' |
| 15:51 | <andythenorth> | composable vehicles don’t actually solve any of my problems |
| 15:51 | <andythenorth> | precisely zero of them |
| 15:52 | <andythenorth> | a portion of the problem is “IRL vehicles are like xyz” |
| 15:53 | <andythenorth> | which makes my buy menu messy :P |
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| 15:55 | <Eddi|zuHause> | like this? https://xkcd.com/1267/ |
| 15:56 | <andythenorth> | yup |
| 15:56 | <andythenorth> | that |
| 16:01 | <andythenorth> | should Road Hog truck types map 1:1 to Iron Horse train wagon types? |
| 16:01 | <andythenorth> | or 1:1 real life? |
| 16:01 | <andythenorth> | or 1:1 to own rules? |
| 16:01 | <andythenorth> | :P |
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| 16:06 | <peter1138> | Copying 93GB takes so long ;( |
| 16:08 | <@planetmaker> | hm, interesting, frosch123 :) |
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| 16:14 | <frosch123> | andythenorth: i never did anything with rv composition |
| 16:14 | <andythenorth> | someone wrote a spec |
| 16:15 | <andythenorth> | that counts as 50% done around here |
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| 16:32 | <juzza1_> | "just" needs an implementation |
| 16:32 | <Eddi|zuHause> | my personal favourite is to end on "there exists a solution" |
| 16:37 | <EXetoC> | has anyone seen my hat? |
| 16:38 | <EXetoC> | peter1138: I think you need more mhz thingies |
| 16:38 | <peter1138> | Doesn't everyone? |
| 16:39 | <andythenorth> | hmm |
| 16:39 | <andythenorth> | ship smoke is really nice |
| 16:39 | <andythenorth> | remember when we didn’t have that? o_O |
| 16:40 | <Wolf01> | train fever -75% (€6.24)could be a good deal? |
| 16:41 | <peter1138> | Do we have ship smoke? |
| 16:42 | <EXetoC> | anything that has trains is nice |
| 16:44 | <andythenorth> | we have smoking ships |
| 16:44 | * | andythenorth does anyway |
| 16:45 | <peter1138> | Bah, ETS 2 Scandinavia is only 20% off ;( |
| 16:45 | <andythenorth> | we also have ‘build one station per set of orders’ |
| 16:45 | <andythenorth> | thanks to cdist :) |
| 16:45 | <andythenorth> | peter1138: ETS 2 doesn’t work anyway |
| 16:45 | <andythenorth> | it’s ugly as all sin |
| 16:45 | <peter1138> | Works for me. |
| 16:46 | <andythenorth> | ugly schmugly |
| 16:46 | <EXetoC> | one station per.. wut? |
| 16:46 | <andythenorth> | you have a secondary industry producing cargo |
| 16:46 | <andythenorth> | and you want to send it to multiple destinations |
| 16:47 | <andythenorth> | so at the industry, you build one pickup station per destination |
| 16:49 | <EXetoC> | ok |
| 16:50 | <andythenorth> | without cdist, you don’t do this |
| 16:50 | <andythenorth> | it’s a cdist tactic |
| 16:54 | <andythenorth> | also bedtime |
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| 18:08 | <Wolf01> | 'night |
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| 21:48 | <supermop> | hello |
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| 22:17 | <supermop> | hi Pikka |
| 22:18 | <Pikka> | bongiorno |
| 22:18 | <supermop> | nice and warm up there? |
| 22:18 | <Pikka> | mm I wouldn't go that far :) |
| 22:19 | <supermop> | nicer that here perhaps |
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