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---Logopened Fri Jun 26 00:00:45 2015
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02:43<andythenorth>o/
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03:46<supermop>yo andy
03:46<supermop>oops
03:58<@planetmaker>o/
04:11<supermop>hi planetmaker
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05:35<supermop>margarita time
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06:15<olligobber>My music isn't playing
06:15<olligobber>I tried removing and reinstalling using content download
06:15<olligobber>the midis play from the .openttd folder
06:16<olligobber>it just makes really squeaky noises when I try to play it
06:17<olligobber>ooh, it's playing... for now...
06:17<olligobber>weird
06:18<olligobber>ok, now it makes squeaky noises and then skips part way through the track
06:18<olligobber>or all the way
06:19<olligobber>I'm going to just reboot and maybe install timidity
06:19<olligobber>*reinstall
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06:21<olligobber>definitely a timidity issue
06:22<olligobber>reinstall did not help
06:22<blathijs>olligobber: What distro?
06:22<olligobber>blathijs, ubuntu 15.04
06:24<blathijs>olligobber: Using the debian packages from Ubuntu, or openttd.org?
06:24<olligobber>debian from apt-get
06:24<blathijs>olligobber: That would be my handiwork, then :-)
06:24<blathijs>olligobber: I think you're saying that running timidity manually on the commandline on the midi files works?
06:25<olligobber>nope
06:25<olligobber>opening midis in the media player works
06:25<olligobber>not from timidity though
06:25<blathijs>Ah, right. Tried running timidity manually?
06:25<olligobber>yes, doesn't work
06:26<olligobber>I'll post command line logs
06:26<blathijs>You might need to configure an output source, I remember something about this.
06:26<olligobber>http://pastebin.com/hQwVqd8K
06:26<olligobber>ok, it works sometimes...
06:27<olligobber>it sometimes works while other things are playing audio
06:27<olligobber>no correlation
06:28<blathijs>Hm, seems to not work here either. I just get a bit of garbled sounds for a few seconds and then timidity is done
06:28<olligobber>yeah
06:28<olligobber>same as what I get
06:29<olligobber>except sometimes it works
06:29<olligobber>Notes lost totally: 898 sometimes
06:30<blathijs>I don't see timidity appearing in pavucontrol either, suggesting it's not connecting to pulsaudio through the pulse alsa plugin somehow
06:31<olligobber>it was appearing in my sound controls
06:31<olligobber>the ones in system settings
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06:32<blathijs>Oh wait, it appears, but is gone again within a second (before I switched to pavucontrol)
06:32<olligobber>as if it's only playing a small portion of the song and skipping most of it
06:35<olligobber>would using JACK instead of pulseaudio be helpful?
06:39<blathijs>olligobber: Probably more complicated
06:40<olligobber>hmm
06:41<blathijs>pasuspender -- timidity up_on_the_housetop.mid -o hw:0 <-- that works for my, bypassing pulse
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06:42<blathijs>olligobber: Perhaps you could report a bug at Ubuntu or Debian to the timidity package?
06:42<olligobber>I can't bypass pulse
06:42<blathijs>olligobber: If you do, paste me the link so I can subscribe
06:42<blathijs>(bypassing was intended as a debug thing, not a solution)
06:42*blathijs is off for lunch now, though
06:42<olligobber>ok
06:53<olligobber>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/timidity/+bug/1469113
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07:04<blathijs>olligobber: thx
07:12<olligobber>there goes my evening playing openttd XD
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08:15<Pikka>boink
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08:24<olligobber>...
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08:32<andythenorth>pipelines
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08:46<peter1138>Clogged.
08:48<andythenorth>shameful
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27319 trunk/src/lang/unfinished/frisian.txt (2015-06-26 19:45:13 +0200 )
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>frisian - 1 changes by BAJansen
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14:04<andythenorth>o/
14:06<@Alberth>o/
14:07<andythenorth>this is getting complex http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7356/FIRS_game.png
14:08<andythenorth>have to build lots of pickup stations that don’t trivially block each other
14:08<andythenorth>and have through traffic :P
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14:10<@Alberth>o/
14:10<@Alberth>very crowded andy :)
14:11<frosch123>moin
14:12<andythenorth>cdist needs split pickup :P
14:12<andythenorth>which is a new style of building for me
14:15*andythenorth has been inventing more game scripts
14:15<andythenorth>Treasure Hunt
14:16<andythenorth>“ten treasure chests have been hidden in towns” (number varies by map size)
14:16<andythenorth>“deliver 100 passengers a month to each town, who will look for the treasure"
14:16<andythenorth>“how fast can you find all ten?”
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14:17<andythenorth>also, unrelated
14:17<andythenorth>implement the Monty Hall Problem in GS? o_O
14:17<andythenorth>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem
14:22<@Alberth>euhm, I fail to understand how people refuse to believe math
14:22<LordAro>lol
14:24<andythenorth>Alberth: you got the correct answer intuitively?
14:24<andythenorth>most of us don't
14:24<andythenorth>that’s why it’s interesting
14:25<@Alberth>no I didn't, but I know not to trust instinct in these things, so I did a computation to get the answer
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14:25<andythenorth>you still have to frame the computation correctly
14:25<andythenorth>most of us seem to misunderstand the problem
14:26<@Alberth>there are only 6 cases
14:26<andythenorth>you did the grid?
14:27<@Alberth>I just wrote out all options, and counted
14:27<@Alberth>it's quite trivial :)
14:30<andythenorth>I would have sworn it is 50:50
14:31<andythenorth>along with 87% of other people :P
14:34<@Alberth>yeah, don't trust your instinct that you're any good at chances :)
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14:37<andythenorth>BB has kept me playing 30 years longer than I expected
14:37<@Alberth>:)
14:37<@Alberth>hunting for treasure :p
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14:43<andythenorth>there’s treasure in it? o_O
14:56<@Alberth>if I say yes, you'll look forever for it? :)
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14:59<andythenorth>‘forever’ is quite a long time
14:59*andythenorth might get bored
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15:41<andythenorth>trucks accelerate slowly :P
15:42<andythenorth>@calc 550 / 92
15:42<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: 5.97826086957
15:45<andythenorth>@calc 7500 / 1362
15:45<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: 5.50660792952
15:45<andythenorth>hmm
15:45<andythenorth>the train has less hp / ton
15:46<@Alberth>but more wheels :p
15:47<andythenorth>speed = power / force
15:47<andythenorth>@calc 550 / 48
15:47<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: 11.4583333333
15:47<@Alberth>close enough :)
15:47<andythenorth>@calc 7500 / 956
15:47<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: 7.84518828452
15:47<andythenorth>hmm
15:49<andythenorth>the trucks take a long time to reach top speed of 80mph, even downhill
15:49<andythenorth>but the trains reach top speed of 100mph fairly rapidly
15:50<Supercheese>weight multiplier?
15:51<andythenorth>1 for trains
15:51<andythenorth>n/a for RVs
15:51<andythenorth>slope steepness 3% for both
15:51<andythenorth>physics ‘realistic’ for both
15:52<andythenorth>the train also has relatively a lot more trailing weight
15:52<andythenorth>> 50% of the weight of the truck is on the lead unit where power is applied
15:52<Supercheese>hmm, well the calculations are indeed performed differently
15:53<andythenorth>76% of the train weight is trailing
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16:02<Supercheese>"inline uint32 GetRollingFriction()"
16:02<Supercheese>Trams have a slightly greater friction coefficient than trains.
16:02<Supercheese>The rest of road vehicles have bigger values."
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16:03<andythenorth>hmm
16:03<andythenorth>plausible
16:03<Supercheese>RV base friction is 75 whereas trains is 15
16:03<Supercheese>according to cursory inspection of roadveh.h and train.h
16:04<Supercheese>both increase as speed increases
16:04<andythenorth>does it also factor in higher tractive of rubber wheels vs. steel?
16:04<andythenorth>or is that left to the newgrf author?
16:05<andythenorth>“A loaded truck has roughly four times as much specific rolling resistance (rr) as a loaded train car.”
16:08<andythenorth>Terkhen might be remember something of this? o_O
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16:22<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: the TE property basically sets this resistance factor
16:24<andythenorth>for HEQS I just adjusted TE until I got performance I liked
16:47<andythenorth>it’s annoying that pipelines have to be double track
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17:56<frosch123>planetmaker: that is going to be a difficult desync :/
17:57<frosch123>some vehicle is stopping differently at a station
17:57<frosch123>there must be something weird with the speed limit when braking at stations
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18:02<frosch123>oh, no, it's the pathfinder
18:03<frosch123>no, it isn't, why are the day so long?
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19:23<Eddi|zuHause>maybe someone enabled daylength? :p
19:44<supermop_>yo
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21:40<supermop_>get to have a slightly less frustrating week than normal
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