Back to Home / #openttd / 2015 / 06 / Prev Day | Next Day
#openttd IRC Logs for 2015-06-27

---Logopened Sat Jun 27 00:00:46 2015
00:24-!-labrown [] has joined #openttd
00:25<labrown>So, OpenTTD 1.5.1 with YETI is pretty cool, but what train and/or road vehicle set to do I need to transport the dreaded uranium?
00:27-!-Flygon_ is now known as Flygon
00:27<Flygon>Whatever South Australia uses xP
00:27<Flygon>srsly tho good question
00:28<Eddi|zuHause>labrown: which ones have you tried?
00:28<labrown>South Australia?
00:29<labrown>Was playing with the OpenGRFX+ train and road set, but couldn't find anything to haul Uranium. haven't tried any others yet.
00:29<Eddi|zuHause>labrown: you should try a few, and file a bug report on each one that doesn't transport it
00:29<labrown>Eddi|zuHause: oh joy!!!!!
00:30<Eddi|zuHause>well, no bug report means nobody will fix it
00:30<labrown>Eddi|zuHause: I get it, totally. sysadmin/devops kinda guy... I know ALL about bug reports. :-)
00:31<Eddi|zuHause>labrown: it should also not be hard to just make your own GRF which provides a uranium wagon
00:32<labrown>Just downloaded and loaded a sav file from the forums for a large YETI map... Hopefully I can see what they are using.
00:32<Eddi|zuHause>as to the original question, it's probably safe to assume that NUTS is designed to work with YETI
00:34<labrown>oh my good lord.... WTF is that! (game just loaded with NUTS in it.....
00:42<labrown>OK. North America Railway Set handles all YETI cargo types.
00:54-!-CompuDesktop is now known as Compu
00:54-!-Compu [~quassel@2604:6000:120a:8025:28b8:396e:e004:2894] has quit [Quit: - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.]
00:54-!-Compu [~quassel@2604:6000:120a:8025:28b8:396e:e004:2894] has joined #openttd
00:56-!-Eddi|zuHause [] has quit []
00:56-!-Eddi|zuHause [] has joined #openttd
00:57-!-roidal [] has joined #openttd
01:28-!-andythenorth [] has joined #openttd
01:48<andythenorth>what was the thinking behind super-tiny newgrfs pikka bob?
01:48<andythenorth>I know it seemed like a good idea at the time...
01:49<Pikka>super-tiny newgrfs?
01:49<Pikka>with fewer vehicles, you mean?
01:51<andythenorth>I mean only 10 pixels high
01:51<andythenorth>no, I mean fewer vehicles :D
01:52<Pikka>less to draw, more attention paid to making each vehicle "interesting".
01:52<andythenorth>oh yeah
01:52<andythenorth>less to draw
01:52<andythenorth>that is a good reason
01:52<Pikka>easier for players to choose between vehicles, less "I need daylength because I don't have time to use all the vehicles".
01:53<Pikka>also my first av10 aircraft is 15mb for one aircraft, so I don't really want to put too many in there ;)
01:54*andythenorth has been adding vehicles to Hog
01:54<andythenorth>and has more to add
01:54-!-Progman [] has joined #openttd
01:55<@Rubidium>andythenorth: what is typical Brittish weather? Because it doesn't include rain...
01:56<@Rubidium>in any case, Bristol was nice
01:56<andythenorth>what did you see?
01:58<@Rubidium>walked from the Temple Meads stations along the harbour to the Clifton suspension bridge, then back to city centre to visit the M-shed (they had steam engines, but around 08:00 they weren't fully operational so I passed them the first time to come back)
01:59<@Rubidium>also been to Cabot tower, walked a bit around the university, cathedral, city centre (up to Cabot circus)
01:59<@Rubidium>and then around 21:00 I buggered off again towards sleeping accomodations
02:00<@Rubidium>when I arrived it actually became evident why hostels were so full and expensive that weekend: lots of high schoolers visiting the university's open day
02:01<Pikka>M Shed sounds like fun
02:02<Pikka> UU37, anyone? :)
02:03<andythenorth>that mine
02:03<andythenorth>is quite special
02:03<Pikka>such zbase
02:03<andythenorth>Rubidium: sounds like you saw all the standard stuff ;)
02:04<andythenorth>did you see the big boat?
02:04<@Rubidium>I did see it from afar, and from afar it was really crowded
02:04<@Rubidium>and about the mine... do I see some M.C. Escher in there?
02:04<andythenorth>Pikka: those air horns are out of gauge clearly
02:05<andythenorth>and the wrong number of rivets
02:05<Pikka>animated rivets, too
02:07<andythenorth>Rubidium: eat anything nice? o_O
02:10<@Rubidium>during the days I've been to the UK definitely; parts of the English breakfast, Shephards pie, stew, Fish'n'chips, steak and ale pie, oh... and on Sunday obviously a Sunday roast
02:10<andythenorth>pretty classic
02:12<@Rubidium>yeah, I tried to eat as much "classic" English foods during my stay
02:12-!-wicope [] has joined #openttd
02:15-!-Extrems [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
02:16-!-Extrems [] has joined #openttd
02:19<supermop>very oz looking uu 37 Pikka
02:19<supermop>i like it
02:20<supermop>i like the idea of themed base sets
02:20<supermop>rather than just replicate the same with different drawing styles
02:20<supermop>if i was using pineapple base and pineapple trains
02:21<supermop>id want to keep the aus style default vehicles!
02:21<supermop>i always wondered why the japan set dudes didn't make a japan base as well
02:22<supermop>seems like almost all of the sprites would already be there
02:22<andythenorth>base set is vast undertaking :P
02:22<andythenorth>it would take too much time
02:22<andythenorth>compared to drawing Every Train Ever Produced
02:22<supermop>just need to pick some small JR steamer to be a kirby, some JR DME to be a daash etc
02:23<Pikka>well they never did road vehicles
02:23<Pikka>or industries...
02:23<andythenorth>nobody never did RVs
02:23<supermop>is that your lineside grass Pikka ?
02:23<andythenorth>except Zeph
02:23<andythenorth>actually there are some other RV sets?
02:23<andythenorth>Hungarian? German? Polish?
02:23<Pikka>my grass and tracks, supermop
02:23<supermop>a zeph generic base set would be nice
02:24<supermop>nice grass
02:24<supermop>a little too green for australia though
02:24<supermop>even down here
02:24<Pikka>less green than the other base sets though
02:25<andythenorth>shall I do Australial FIRS?
02:25<supermop>too bad grash cant change color with season
02:25<andythenorth>GarryG would like Australial FIRS
02:25<supermop>andythenorth: yes
02:25<supermop>australia seems to be the closest part of the real world to TTO
02:25<supermop>what with mines and whate not all over
02:26<andythenorth>so what do I need?
02:26<andythenorth>sheep ranch
02:26<andythenorth>Holden factory
02:27<andythenorth>and The Mine that Everybody Works at Earning A Hundred and Fifty Grand Driving a Truck
02:27<supermop>metal -> holden utes -> builders yard
02:28<supermop>see if you can make color shift paint on the utes in 8bpp
02:28<supermop>working holiday visa -> fruit plantation
02:28<supermop>ok off to laundromat
02:29<supermop>or 'launderette'
02:30<andythenorth>machine shop -> land clearing operation
02:46-!-labrown [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:52-!-DDR [] has joined #openttd
02:52-!-Supercheese [] has joined #openttd
03:41-!-Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd
03:41-!-mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ
03:56<@Alberth>digging up new machines eh? :)
04:29-!-Wolf01 [] has joined #openttd
04:29<Wolf01>hi hi
05:01-!-JacobD88 [] has joined #openttd
05:09-!-OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
05:09-!-andythenorth [] has quit [Quit: andythenorth]
05:40-!-gelignite [] has joined #openttd
06:40-!-tycoondemon [] has quit []
06:40-!-tycoondemon [] has joined #openttd
07:11-!-HerzogDeXtEr [] has joined #openttd
07:12-!-sla_ro|master [slamaster@] has joined #openttd
07:31-!-Supercheese [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
07:32-!-Supercheese [] has joined #openttd
07:36-!-frosch123 [] has joined #openttd
07:46<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r27320 trunk/src/saveload/afterload.cpp (2015-06-27 13:46:41 +0200 )
07:46<@DorpsGek>-Codechange: Do not drop order backups when loading a savegame for replaying.
07:47<@Alberth>silly edge cases :)
07:51-!-jottyfan [] has joined #openttd
08:00<frosch123>i thought about adding cookies to eints
08:01<frosch123>so it can hide stuff without permission and store user configurations like related languages
08:01<frosch123>but then we need to copy some cookie policy :p
08:02<frosch123>i also wonder whether storing configurations in cookies is the right thing
08:02<frosch123>or whether we should do the effort and store user settings on the server, so they are the same if the user uses different computers
08:02<frosch123>the string-edit page requires login anyway
08:05-!-jottyfan [] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
08:07<@Alberth>hmm, related languages
08:07<frosch123>2 out of 4 people said they want to set them themself
08:07<frosch123>since they want to look and languages they know, independent on whether they are similar
08:08<@Alberth>yeah, I can see it's a personal-ish thing
08:09<frosch123>well, i think they are different things
08:09<@Alberth>server-side would be fancier, but perhaps a lot more complicated?
08:10-!-Pikka [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
08:10<frosch123>it's only more complicated because of policies :p
08:10<frosch123>we need to store some file, with some data struct per user
08:10<frosch123>some json map :p
08:11<@Alberth>ah, attach it to eints itself, rather than in the project data base :)
08:11<frosch123>yes, some separate file
08:11<frosch123>not sure which folder to store it in
08:11<frosch123>root_dir does not quite fit :p
08:12<frosch123>maybe root_dir/__config__/users.json
08:12<@Alberth>make a new folder 'user_configs'
08:12<frosch123>yeah, independent of the project data dir
08:15<@Alberth>I think server-side would be nicest
08:25<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: what is the reason that a train slows down at a terminus station over one game day, and then decides reverses a few ticks earlier/later on a client
08:25<Eddi|zuHause>how should i know?
08:26<frosch123>i am just giving you a reason to say later that you knew it :p
08:26<Eddi|zuHause>the current implementation of stop at start/middle/end of station is not based on my code :p
08:28<Eddi|zuHause>but that would be the first place i would look. does the game try to stop at the same place
08:29<Eddi|zuHause>if the train is the length of the station, it might still stop at slightly different positions
08:29-!-Kurimus [] has quit []
08:30<Eddi|zuHause>another issue might be that the "progress" counter is not set/reset correctly
08:30<frosch123>i am still bisecting savegames :p now at a granualrity of 1 tick
08:30<frosch123>no, progress it the same for about a game day between join and desync
08:31<frosch123>all the savegame data stays the same for 1 day
08:31<frosch123>maybe the vehicle changed length, but we print big errors abuot that
08:31<frosch123>unless the errors are broken :p
08:31<Eddi|zuHause>then i'm out of obvious things ;)
08:32<frosch123>it's an iron horse, i thought you knew andy :p
08:32<Eddi|zuHause>i don't understand andy most of the time :p
08:33-!-Kurimus [] has joined #openttd
08:37-!-andythenorth [] has joined #openttd
08:37<andythenorth>frosch123: you want me to write a cookie policy for eints?
08:38<@Alberth>all cookies are mine :p
08:38<frosch123>i thought about copying the one from openttd
08:38<frosch123>it's nice and generic and says nothing
08:38<andythenorth>it’s approximately the same wording as what I would have done
08:39<andythenorth>due to everybody using the same template
08:41-!-olligobber [] has joined #openttd
08:41<olligobber>blathijs, o/
08:45-!-Pensacola [] has joined #openttd
08:46<blathijs>olligobber: hey :-)
08:46<olligobber>blathijs, it seems the timidity issue is affected by pulse
08:47<olligobber>blathijs, I'm narrowing down stuff now
08:47-!-andythenorth [] has quit [Quit: andythenorth]
08:47<blathijs>olligobber: Yeah, given that bypassing pulse seems to "fix" the issue suggests that
08:48<olligobber>blathijs, you been doing your own testing?
08:48<blathijs>olligobber: I tried the pasuspender thing yesterday. NOthing since then, though.
08:49<olligobber>blathijs, the issue also effects audacity
08:50<blathijs>olligobber: What sound card do you have? I'm using a USB audio device here, perhaps that's related?
08:50<olligobber>blathijs, I was also using a USB headset, I'm trying to test a 3.5 connection
08:52<olligobber>blathijs, could you possibly test if using a different audio device helps? I'm having trouble
08:52<blathijs>Yeah, hold on
08:56<blathijs>olligobber: Seems that works. Switching to internal (intel_hda) makes the midi work, switching back to USB and it stays working
08:57<blathijs>It's tricky to switch, though, since the audio stream runs so briefly it doesn't always evne show up in pavucontrol
08:57<blathijs>Actually, now it's garbling for a 5 seconds or so and still not showing up
08:58<olligobber>I had intermittent garbling
09:02-!-Pensacola [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:02<blathijs>Can't really use pacmd to move timidity to my internal sound card, since I can't predict the sink-input index that will be used (and using a name would have been too luxuruous)
09:04<olligobber>ok, I finally got my front port to work (it was muted in alsamixer)
09:04-!-OsteHovel [] has joined #openttd
09:04<olligobber>and no issue
09:04<olligobber>normal playback
09:07<blathijs>olligobber: So it seems an interaction between timidity, pulseaudio and the USB audio driver...
09:08<olligobber>blathijs, also, audacity, pulseaudio and the usb audio driver
09:09<olligobber>blathijs, and Ubuntu 15.04 (14.10 didn't have this issue)
09:09<blathijs>I'd guess this is a bug in the USB driver, exposed by pulse and certain streams.
09:10-!-tokai|noir [] has joined #openttd
09:10-!-mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ
09:11<olligobber>blathijs, what usb device are you using?
09:13<blathijs>olligobber: Terratec Aureon 5.1 USB MKII
09:13<olligobber>blathijs, so it is not device specific (logitech usb headset)
09:14<blathijs>Nope. And the USB driver is known to be a bit buggy at times, I believe
09:14<olligobber>I like this headset :(
09:16-!-tokai|mdlx [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:21<blathijs>olligobber: If you're willing to dive down the rabbit hole, you could try writing to the pulseaudio maillinglist, or list for Linux' usb audio to see if they have any ideas on the problem. Be sure to ask for debugging suggestions, asking for other people to fix this isn't going to workl
09:22<blathijs>Also, I don't think that the launchpad bug as-is is going to end up with the right people
09:23<olligobber>blathijs, I was chatting to someone in #alsa (freenode) and they helped debug a lot, and recommended #pulseaudio (freenode)
09:23<blathijs>Yeah, that would also be useful
09:23<blathijs>(rather, I don't think that a launchpad bug is the right channel to reach the right people anymore)
09:24-!-sla_ro|master [slamaster@] has quit []
09:37-!-OsteHovel [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
09:38-!-OsteHovel [] has joined #openttd
09:48-!-olligobber [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:53-!-snorre_ [~snorre@] has joined #openttd
09:55-!-snorre [~snorre@] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:01-!-snorre [~snorre@] has joined #openttd
10:03-!-snorre_ [~snorre@] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:07-!-snorre_ [~snorre@] has joined #openttd
10:09-!-snorre [~snorre@] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:12-!-tokai|noir [] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o]
10:21-!-tokai [] has joined #openttd
10:21-!-mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ
10:35-!-HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@] has joined #openttd
10:37-!-andythenorth [] has joined #openttd
10:40-!-Progman_ [] has joined #openttd
10:42-!-Progman [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:42-!-HerzogDeXtEr [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:42-!-Progman_ is now known as Progman
10:57-!-supermop_ [] has joined #openttd
11:05-!-supermop [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
11:13-!-andythenorth [] has quit [Quit: andythenorth]
11:28-!-Progman [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:00-!-JacobD88 [] has quit [Quit: JacobD88]
12:12-!-sla_ro|master [slamaster@] has joined #openttd
12:15-!-jottyfan [] has joined #openttd
12:16-!-OsteHovel [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:18-!-OsteHovel [] has joined #openttd
12:57-!-glx [] has joined #openttd
12:57-!-mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ
13:08-!-liq3 [] has quit []
13:12-!-andythenorth [] has joined #openttd
13:22-!-andythenorth [] has quit [Quit: andythenorth]
13:24-!-DDR [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:28-!-FLHerne [] has joined #openttd
13:32-!-andythenorth [] has joined #openttd
13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27321 trunk/src/lang/korean.txt (2015-06-27 19:45:18 +0200 )
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>korean - 2 changes by telk5093
13:45-!-andythenorth [] has quit [Quit: andythenorth]
13:56-!-andythenorth [] has joined #openttd
14:06<andythenorth>@seen danmack
14:06<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: danmack was last seen in #openttd 6 weeks, 5 days, 20 hours, 35 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <DanMacK> Hey all
14:10-!-mewt [] has joined #openttd
14:11<@Alberth>always a happy fellow :)
14:34-!-Celestar [] has joined #openttd
14:40-!-Celestar1 [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:42-!-andythenorth [] has quit [Quit: andythenorth]
15:01-!-andythenorth [] has joined #openttd
15:01-!-Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd []
15:14-!-andythenorth [] has quit [Quit: andythenorth]
15:21-!-jinks_ [~jinks@2602:ffe8:102:213::1c:34ac] has quit [Quit: ZNC -]
15:22-!-jinks_ [~jinks@2602:ffe8:102:213::1c:34ac] has joined #openttd
15:39-!-zeknurn [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
15:58-!-Progman [] has joined #openttd
16:24-!-zeknurn [] has joined #openttd
16:26-!-zeknurn [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
16:31-!-zeknurn [] has joined #openttd
16:46-!-roidal_ [] has joined #openttd
16:53-!-roidal [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:22-!-roidal_ [] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.2]
17:23-!-wicope [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:36-!-sla_ro|master [slamaster@] has quit []
18:03-!-OsteHovel [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:05-!-OsteHovel [] has joined #openttd
18:32-!-jottyfan [] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
18:41-!-HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
18:58-!-Progman [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:59-!-Wolf01 [] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.]
18:59-!-frosch123 [] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn]
20:08-!-Pikka [] has joined #openttd
20:08-!-OsteHovel [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20:17-!-OsteHovel [] has joined #openttd
21:42-!-FLHerne [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:43-!-gelignite [] has quit [Quit:]
22:56-!-glx [] has quit [Quit: Bye]
23:12-!-ToBeFree [] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 1337 seconds]
23:24-!-smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@] has joined #openttd
23:31-!-liq3 [] has joined #openttd
23:34-!-Speedy [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:54-!-JacobD88 [] has joined #openttd
23:59-!-mewt [] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
---Logclosed Sun Jun 28 00:00:47 2015