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04:18<George>Hi.
04:19<George>Can anybody tell, why does the patch https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6315 is not in trunck yet?
04:19<George>What is wrong with it?
04:29<blathijs>Looks like it just needs someone (probably frosch) to invest some time in reviewing the new patch agin
04:42<Eddi|zuHause>maybe it's because the snow is so catastrophic it destroys all fences, and they have to be rebuilt in the spring :p
04:43<Eddi|zuHause>(the original game had no changing snow levels, so this was less apparent)
04:54<__ln__>George: it's a hundred-line patch. even two-line patches take 3..6 months to get reviewed.
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04:54<__ln__>so you can extrapolate it'll take 150..300 months to review that.
04:56<OsteHovel>Of ingame time?
04:56<OsteHovel>;-)
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06:51<George>But the first version was reviewed, so it is not 100 lines of new code ///
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08:20<M-E>Bah humbug
08:21<M-E>freaking timetables
08:23<M-E>Question. I want an untimed (feeder) service bringing coal from a mine to a collection station.
08:23<Wolf01>don't use timetables
08:24<M-E>When the truck is less than, say, 10% full after leaving the mine i want it to stay 90 days in a depot. how would i accomplish that?
08:25<Eddi|zuHause>you can't stay in the depot
08:26<Eddi|zuHause>but you can stay at the station with a "no loading" order
08:26<M-E>0.o that's weird
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08:26<M-E>why not?
08:26<Eddi|zuHause>that will help preserve the cargo value, but drop your ratings
08:27<Eddi|zuHause>$someone thought it wasn't necessary/useful
08:27<M-E>ah. the old 'DIY' comment, eh
08:27<Eddi|zuHause>not really
08:27<M-E>So, i suppose i'd empty the truck again, and then wait.
08:29<Eddi|zuHause>the same kind of "why the hell would anyone want THAT?" attitude made it take ages for a "no loading and no unloading" order to be possible
08:29<M-E>:/
08:29<Eddi|zuHause>also, nobody really wants small changes to timetables, knowing that a bigger change is necessary, but the bigger change is way too much work
08:30<Eddi|zuHause>nobody "in power", i mean
08:30<M-E>:/
08:30<Eddi|zuHause>i think there is a "wait in depot" patch out there
09:00<Wolf01>mmmh memory leak, 2GB in 15 seconds
09:01<M-E>Oopsie
09:05<planetmaker>Not sure I'd call that 'leak' anymore ;)
09:05<M-E>Sure, if you call the bottom of a bucket falling out a leak
09:05<planetmaker>:)
09:06<Wolf01>the worse thing is that i can't find it, i'm disposing everything i need to dispose and for the other things the garbage collector does it work
09:06<planetmaker>obviously not :)
09:08<Wolf01>it must be in the tiles for sure
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09:12<Wolf01>a bit of caching did the trick
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10:34<Eddi|zuHause>i feel like "hey, look at this door i made" ~ "sure. and could you build a house around it?
10:34<Eddi|zuHause>"
10:42<planetmaker>:P
10:42<planetmaker>rightfully so :)
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12:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27435 trunk/src/lang/spanish.txt (2015-11-04 18:45:08 +0100 )
12:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
12:45<@DorpsGek>spanish - 5 changes by SilverSurferZzZ
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13:02<frosch123>hoi
13:02<planetmaker>o/
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13:58<George>frosch123: Hi
13:58<George>Could you review the patch https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6315 and help it to go to the trunck?
14:00<frosch123>it's on the list, yes
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14:02<George>Any plan when would you do it? A week or two?
14:03<George>Also, could someone help me with devzone? https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/7819 should be moved to xUSSR project
14:06<@Alberth>done
14:07<George>Alberth: Thank you
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14:28<@Alberth>o/
14:29<Taede> n
14:30<andythenorth>o/
14:54<andythenorth>is cat?
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14:54<@Alberth>it may be here
14:57<andythenorth>good
14:59*andythenorth must to cook
15:00<Wolf01>o/
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15:13<Wolf01>ok, and now geometry exercises...
15:16<andythenorth>arctan(dx, dy)
15:16<andythenorth>and so on
15:17*andythenorth misses games programming
15:17<andythenorth>can’t even remember how to do it
15:17<andythenorth>but there was a lot of 180 - radtodeg(some trigonometry)
15:17<andythenorth>which basically keeps the monsters looking at you
15:18<Wolf01>the first thing i need to do is to get in which tile of the map is a given point
15:18<Wolf01>and that should be easy
15:19<Eddi|zuHause><andythenorth> arctan(dx, dy) <-- did you mean "arctan(dy/dx)"?
15:20<Eddi|zuHause>there's occasionally an arctan2
15:20<Eddi|zuHause>which abstracts this thing, and the sign stuff away
15:21<andythenorth>I did mean that yes
15:21<andythenorth>and it was probably cos anyway :P
15:21<andythenorth>dunno, it’s maybe 5 years since I did this
15:21<Eddi|zuHause>(the sign stuff is to determine which quadrant you're in, to do this 180 correction)
15:22<Eddi|zuHause>i'm sure it's more like 10 years ago for me :p
15:22<@Alberth>and such problems are so much fun
15:22<Wolf01>ok, i understand i need to take out the school books, i don't remember anything about trigonometry :P
15:22<Eddi|zuHause>cos probably doesn't get you very far (unless you do some crazy theorems)
15:23<andythenorth>I think this was probably the last game I made http://www.y8.com/games/ultimate_dog_racer
15:23<andythenorth>(you have to place bets at the beginning, which the UI does not make obvious)
15:23<@Alberth>Wolf01: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigonometry we uze the webz nowadays :p
15:24<Wolf01>but i have commented examples and more use cases :P
15:24<@Alberth>fair enough :)
15:25<@Rubidium>Wolf01: you remember quite a lot, for starters the name and that a circle has 360 degrees ;)
15:25<@Alberth>good night
15:25<Wolf01>'night Alberth
15:25<@Alberth>not to mention you need a circle :p
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15:25<@Rubidium>there's plenty of people who wouldn't even know those things
15:27<Wolf01>i used to think in radiants, it's easier when you get the idea on how it works :P
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15:34<Wolf01>also, this is a good source of learning http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/User_Manual
15:34<Wolf01>i started with this about 20 years ago :P
15:34<Eddi|zuHause>you should learn to think in fractions of tau
15:34<Wolf01>(i still have it on my smartphone)
15:35<Eddi|zuHause>(where tau=2pi)
15:35<Wolf01>i think i studied that too
15:35<Eddi|zuHause>so 1tau=one circle, 0.5tau = 1/2 circle
15:36<Wolf01>but the last year of school was confusing :P
15:37<Eddi|zuHause>last year? we had trigonometry way earlier
15:37<Eddi|zuHause>like 9th grade (of 12)
15:38<Wolf01>yes, we had earlier too, but the last year we started to use trigonometry everywhere, and each field had different names for the same things
15:40<Eddi|zuHause>you mean like mechanics, and electronics, and ...?
15:40<andythenorth>and ugh
15:40<Wolf01>also filters in electronics were a mix of trigonometric functions and complex numbers
15:40<andythenorth>the fragmentation of overlapping concepts into pointless specialisms
15:40<andythenorth>:(
15:41<Eddi|zuHause>i think the concept of AC as complex numbers wasn't conveyed well in school
15:41*andythenorth stopped going to school mostly, after the age of 14
15:41<andythenorth>it was very boring
15:41<Eddi|zuHause>i had some really fun times in school
15:42<Eddi|zuHause>but also some crazy and stressful ones
15:42<Eddi|zuHause>and some just plain bad
15:42<Wolf01>me too, i like to learn and understand those things, but i have bad times when i need to put them together and use them
15:43<Eddi|zuHause>yes, that was always the worst part of school. the gap between the things taught, and how they actually apply to the outside world
15:44<Wolf01>"eh we won't even use a trigonometric function outside school"... here it is
15:44<Wolf01>i also use complex numbers every now and then
15:44<Eddi|zuHause>like, i was always a "good" student in english, but i never really learned to actually use it in conversations, until i joined the internet (about a year after school)
15:45<Eddi|zuHause>i found complex numbers really intriguing even before we had them in school
15:45<Wolf01>i started to perform better in english at school as soon as i started to join internet :P
15:45<Eddi|zuHause>(this was in like 7th grade, and i knew basically nothing about "actual" maths)
15:46<Eddi|zuHause>i still can't properly speak english, because i only use written english
15:46<Wolf01>me too :|
15:47<Wolf01>i can read everything except american slangs and aussie
15:47<Eddi|zuHause>even my parents laughed about my accent that one time i actually spoke english on the phone :p
15:48<Wolf01>i'm not so bad on writing (i admit i do the same errors in italian too), but when i try to talk i say only some words like "yes, no, fine thanks"
15:51<Wolf01>that's because i'm really shy too and i don't like to talk to other people without be acquainted with them
16:02<__ln__>http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/researchers-conduct-successful-new-tests-of-emdrive/
16:05<Wolf01>and then they discover the force shields by mistake
16:11*andythenorth considers playing ttd
16:11<andythenorth>or ottd
16:11<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: so, what perpetuum mobile will we discuss next week?
16:13<__ln__>that's up to you, i guess
16:14<__ln__>besides, emdrive is not claimed to be perpetuum mobile
16:15<frosch123>i once had an emdriver
16:15<frosch123>emm386 or so
16:17<__ln__>good for you, i only had that in my pc
16:20<Wolf01>mmmh, interesting, the list of colliding tiles is empty, but i'm sure the bounding box touches at least 4 tiles
16:21<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: well, it seems to contradict conservation of momentum, so it's equally "perpetuum-mobil-y" as things that violate conservation of energy the 2nd law of thermodynamics
16:25<__ln__>Eddi|zuHause: but if the upcoming peer reviewed paper shows more evidence that it works nevertheless, what should we think about it then?
16:26<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: certainly not blindly believing a generic news-type that picked out the most headline-y thing to get some kind of virality out of it
16:27<@Rubidium>sounds like a "heh we found something we couldn't find a reason for, please destroy this paper"-type of paper
16:27<@Rubidium>like the faster than light neutrinos a few years back
16:28<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, something like that. where they said "we think this is probably a measurement error", but all the newspapers were like "EINSTEIN DISPROVEN!!!1!einself"
16:29<__ln__>i thought we learned that the speed of light can be exceeded by using a broken cable
16:29<__ln__>in italy
16:29<Eddi|zuHause>yes, that was that thing we're talking about
16:30<__ln__>so... to build a warp engine, one would need ... a bunch of broken cables and italian engineers?
16:32<Eddi|zuHause>well, there's an actual theory about a warp drive, but it would take a jupiter-sized planet as fuel, and you need to build like a hyperspace lane between here and where you want to go
16:33<Eddi|zuHause>and some "negative energy" type thing which we have no clue how to actually physically create
16:33<__ln__>aww, so close, but not quite
16:34<Wolf01>__ln__ also the school minister at the time of that news said we have a tunnel between the cern and the gran sasso laboratories which was used to do the test... good words from a school minister
16:35<@Rubidium>Wolf01: there's mostly nothing between those two laboratories
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16:35<Eddi|zuHause>from the view of the neutrino, it's basically empty :p
16:36<Eddi|zuHause>except for that random idiot that actually managed to hit a water molecule
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