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#openttd IRC Logs for 2015-11-05

---Logopened Thu Nov 05 00:00:19 2015
00:11<greeter>greetings everyone
00:20<OsteHovel>Good morning
00:21<greeter>how are you?
00:21<OsteHovel>Great
00:21<OsteHovel>I was first at work
00:21<greeter>nice
00:22<OsteHovel>That means i go home early too ;-)
00:22<greeter>very nice
00:22<greeter>either you have a very early start at work or you're quite a number of hours ahead of me
00:23<OsteHovel>I started at work 06 in the morning (its now 06:22)
00:23<ST2>sidenote: if someone searching for reddit's channel, it's #/r/openttd
00:23<greeter>ah, so you're 5 hours ahead of me then
00:23<ST2>not this one ^^
00:25<OsteHovel>Long time since i played openTTD
00:26<OsteHovel>My cussin and I usualy play it togheter, more fun playing with others
00:26<greeter>it's been a while for me. i've spent so much time trying to make this scenario that i haven't played it, plus irl stuff gets in the way
00:26<OsteHovel>Ye its that damn IRL stuff....
00:27<greeter>and next week is really busy for me so that should prove interesting
00:30<greeter>i did get some positive feedback about the description of the scenario i'm working on though, so i really want to get it done and post it to the forums to see what others think
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01:10<andythenorth>o/
01:11<greeter>greetings andythenorth
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03:01<greeter>welcome back andythenorth
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03:21<@planetmaker>\o
03:25<greeter>greetings planetmaker
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03:36<Wolf01>o/
03:37<greeter>greetings Wolf01
03:37<greeter>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Point-Adam's_Cove-Blackhead-Broad_Cove something tells me this town has too long a name to fully enter into openttd
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05:25<Wolf01>http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/careers/posting.html?id=15000XZ yeah, work for me... but it seem i don't have any of the requirements, maybe the "passion for games" one
05:26<greeter>wish i qualified for the job too lol
05:28<Wolf01>i wish to have warcraft 1 and 2 too... i have them, the dos version, also diablo 1 would be cool
05:28<greeter>nice
05:31<Wolf01>i remember when i found TTD and warcraft 1 at a game store (before gamestop), the clerk: "you know these don't work on windows?" "what's the problem? i can use dosbox" :D
05:32<greeter>lol indeed
05:32<greeter>i'd never even heard of ttd the first time i played openttd. i found it through a wikipedia article, skipped the history section, the game sounded fun so i got a copy
05:37<Wolf01>i had a demo of TT somewhere, but i didn't play too much with it because i was really confused about signalling and how to set up trains and their schedule... then i found tt-forums via webring and started to learn how to play, i used ttdpatch for a long time and then ottd
05:37*andythenorth wants to play WC 1 again
05:37<andythenorth>is it actually good, or just hazy memories?
05:38<andythenorth>‘my liege'
05:38<andythenorth>‘stop clicking on me'
05:38-!-Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause
05:38<Wolf01>you can't use the right mouse button, you must remember this
05:39*andythenorth has a mac, it’s easy to remember :P
05:39<Wolf01>[M]-click, [A]-click, [H]-click...
05:39<greeter>i found PBS confusing at first, but then after i spent enough time reading the manuals and comparing it with block signaling, i remember thinking "i can't believe block signaling was all that was available"
05:39<Wolf01>i only use PBS now, maybe because i put 4-6 signals in the entire line XD
05:40<Wolf01>just at the stations junctions
05:48<greeter>i've never used block signals since i knew from the get go that pbs was better, i just took forever in finding out why and how to use it lol
05:48<greeter>ever since i figured it out, i've built horribly complex and ugly rail networks that manage to get the job done
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06:08<V453000>greeter: all of the signals are useful in many circumstances
06:08<V453000>block signals can do things that PBS cant, and vice versa as well
06:12<Eddi|zuHause>but nobody really needs to do the things that block signals do.
06:13<V453000>yeah nobody
06:14<V453000>this game is dead.
06:14<Wolf01>we need inserters stations
06:14<Wolf01>like factorio ones
06:15<Wolf01>pick up from the industry and put on the train
06:15<Wolf01>oh wait.. it already does that, with less animation
06:15<andythenorth>V453000: we should have a funeral
06:16<V453000>it is excellent to see a developer disagree that the game has variety Eddi. I already accepted the retarded "popular opinion" that PBS is more convenient to use (because people do not want to know the game properly and do not want to build big networks, that is fine) ... but saying that block signals are not useful in any way is just plain bullshit
06:16<V453000>starting from pathfinding on bigger networks, a lot better control over block signals, or ending with any kind of useful pre-signal things
06:17<V453000>your ignorance shines like a beacon.
06:18<andythenorth>he said ‘needs’ :P
06:18<V453000>if your trains are failing to pick the right path to go at choice points, you need to build block signals.
06:19<V453000>but sure you CAN build a point-to-point network, avoiding any junctions
06:19<V453000>sure yeah :)
06:19<andythenorth>point-to-point is the way forward
06:19<andythenorth>much better to play
06:19<Wolf01>somebody said bacon?
06:20<V453000>beacon?
06:20<Wolf01>bacon
06:20<V453000>becon
06:20<andythenorth>V453000: can you render the OpenTTD logo on a gravestone? o_O
06:20<V453000>can != will ?
06:21<andythenorth>V453000: will you render the OpenTTD logo on a gravestone? o_O
06:21<V453000>Dear Andy from up there, The answer you seek is no. Thank you for understanding, your beloved V
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06:21<andythenorth>bah
06:21<andythenorth>it would have looked good
06:22<andythenorth>seems unreasonable :P
06:23<V453000>it will bury itself, no need to bother
06:23<Eddi|zuHause>V453000: i'm not actually a developer.
06:23<V453000>does it actually matter Eddi|zuHause ?
06:23<V453000>people probably listen to your shit
06:23<Eddi|zuHause>also, yes. the sentence intentionally contained traces of bullshit :p
06:23<Eddi|zuHause>it's called "trolling" :)
06:24*andythenorth jarlsberg on toast
06:24<V453000>guess we need a new saying instead of beating a dead horse "trolling a dead horse"
06:25<Wolf01>somebody said toasted bacon?
06:26<V453000>toasted biter
06:26<Eddi|zuHause>tastes like chicken?
06:26<andythenorth>trolling a dead biter
06:27*andythenorth considers changing FIRS 2
06:27<andythenorth>no industries
06:27<andythenorth>no cargos
06:27<Wolf01>now i have to get the car and go to the pub to eat a burger with bacon
06:27<Eddi|zuHause>man, as soon as i said "chicken", the cat comes demanding food
06:27<andythenorth>just a message at the beginning: “OpenTTD is now dead, go away"
06:28<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: you can't change anything on the title screen
06:28<Eddi|zuHause>only a base set can do that
06:29<Wolf01>nobody stops you to change the game code and put a news ticker with silly sentences on the splash screen
06:29<andythenorth>I can show an error / warning message at game start though
06:29<andythenorth>I could include one cargo and two industries
06:29<andythenorth>‘dead openttd’ cargo
06:29<andythenorth>‘burial grounds’ destination
06:29<andythenorth>NFI what the source industry is though
06:30<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: sounds like a new economy :p
06:31<Eddi|zuHause>toyland replacement: Halloween
06:31<andythenorth>what makes an OpenTTD cargo?
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06:32<fjb>Moin
06:32<__ln__>'qapla fjb
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06:36<Wolf01>i would remove all the climates except toyland
06:37<Wolf01>https://www.flickr.com/photos/pierre_import/22760048862/in/dateposted/ :Q___
06:38<argoneus>why not remove all climates
06:38<argoneus>and be done with it
06:38<argoneus>make it a space game instead
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06:39<andythenorth>just remove the game
06:40<argoneus>and install what
06:40<Wolf01>argoneus, galaxy express 999?
06:43<Eddi|zuHause>hm... what was that guy called? SirXavius? with the OpenTTD+500 project?
06:45<andythenorth>yes
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07:14<MeSaber>hot discussions in here
07:14<MeSaber>just as my internet broke
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07:44<Wolf01>oh, IIRC today shit happened
07:50<MeSaber>shit?
07:52<Wolf01>it's the 5th of november, somewhere they are igniting fireworks
07:53<Mazur>Burns day?
07:53<Mazur>Oh, no, failed revolution day.
07:54<Wolf01>yes, also i think i'll have to watch V, but i didn't even watch BttF on 21 october
07:55<Mazur>Dismember, dismember, the 5th of Movember, something about Guy ....
07:55<Mazur>Ritchie?
07:55<Wolf01>yes, that one, indeed
07:56<Mazur>BttF?
07:56<Wolf01>back to the future
07:56<Mazur>Ah, yes. Did neither.
07:57<MeSaber>i were thinking of doing it
07:57<MeSaber>but didnt
07:57<Mazur>2 stations were broadcasting 1 & 2, and only one of them 3, as well.
07:57<Mazur>3 is the best one.
07:57<Wolf01>i was too lazy to plug in my external dvd drive
07:58<MeSaber>ever heard of teh internetz?
07:58<MeSaber>:)
07:59<Wolf01>i could "backup" it, but if i have something on disk i try to save hdd space
07:59<Wolf01>i only have 10TB in total :P
07:59<MeSaber>10 tb of what?
07:59<Wolf01>hdd space
07:59<MeSaber>yes i got that part.. but what
08:00<MeSaber>10 tb of movies?
08:00<MeSaber>pictures?
08:00<Wolf01>2TB just for steam games, other 2TB of backup
08:00<Wolf01>some external hdds just for practical purposes
08:00<MeSaber>2 tb of steam games.. nice
08:00<Mazur>10 TB of pr0n, of course.
08:00<Wolf01>and some movies/anime/series too
08:01<Mazur>Well, 9, and 1 for "other".
08:01<Wolf01>no, i don't need pr0n, there's interet for that
08:01<MeSaber>i dont got much on my lappy
08:01<__ln__>Wolf01: you need to have a backup of internet in case it goes down, obviously
08:01<Wolf01>interet <-
08:01<MeSaber>media folder is 470 gb
08:02<Wolf01>__ln__ i would make a backup of myself in case of...
08:02<Wolf01>but it seem i don't have enough space
08:02<MeSaber>i dont do backups of one reason
08:02<MeSaber>fresh starts :D
08:02<MeSaber>nothing nicer than a clean pc
08:03<MeSaber>and no crap stuff everywhere :D
08:03<MeSaber>its like dust
08:03<MeSaber>self made dust
08:08<Wolf01>i have a bit of documents and family photos
08:11<Eddi|zuHause>i have several TB worth of unwatched and uncut tv recordings
08:12<Eddi|zuHause>which i should probably just delete and reover "backups" from the internet, like normal people :p
08:12<Eddi|zuHause>*recover
08:22<Wolf01>back to work now... i have to make a MoveToContact() function
08:22<Wolf01>but first it would be cool to know the direction of the contact point
08:24<MeSaber>work is for the poor
08:24<MeSaber>you see what i did there?
08:24<MeSaber>:D
08:33<Eddi|zuHause>no, i don't
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09:38<Flygon>I dunno how people can get over 1TB of porn
09:38<Flygon>Then again, I suppose people download videos rather than stills
09:40<Eddi|zuHause>ultra-HD combined with a hoarder instinct...
09:40<Eddi|zuHause>it's not that unimaginable
09:40<__ln__>Flygon: by downloading, i guess.
09:41<Flygon>There's additional context that I'd like to provide but probably shouldn't :U
09:41<Hiddenfunstuff>Quantity over quality
09:41<Flygon>4K porn...
09:41*Flygon scratches head
09:41<Hiddenfunstuff>inb4 VR porn
09:41<Flygon>Already been done
09:41<Flygon>I expected the furries to get to it first
09:41<Flygon>But it was actually the Japanese
09:41<Eddi|zuHause>rule 42?
09:41<Eddi|zuHause>no, that's not the one
09:42<Flygon>Rule 42 is that the meaning of life is 42
09:42<Hiddenfunstuff>rule34 and 35
09:42<Eddi|zuHause>rule 32
09:42<Flygon>You're thinking of-
09:42<Eddi|zuHause>ah
09:42<Flygon>Eddi
09:42<Flygon>I should feel bad for laughing
09:42<Flygon>And I do
09:42<Flygon>But
09:42<Eddi|zuHause>i always get that wrong
09:42<Flygon>Yeah
09:42<Flygon>Sorry!
09:42<Flygon>I am curious what Rule 32 IS
09:42<Hiddenfunstuff>check internet.. theres lists
09:42<Flygon>I'd ask the same guy that knows what Sage is
09:43<Hiddenfunstuff>most trustworthy might be tvtropes.. Though just dont click the links around the wiki
09:43<Flygon>But he'd say that the list got muddled with the depths of time
09:43<Flygon>:U
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09:43<Flygon>TVTropes Rule 34 article...
09:43<Flygon>Reminds me of every time Cracked makes an article on Rule 34
09:43<Flygon>And I think
09:43<Eddi|zuHause>i don't think i'll look that up :p
09:43<Flygon>"This guy didn't look very hard"
09:44<Hiddenfunstuff>Tvtropes will ruin your life
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09:44<Flygon>TVTropes didn't ruin my life
09:44<Flygon>Rule 34 did :U
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09:44<Hiddenfunstuff>Obviously you have not been to tvtropes
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09:45<Flygon>I have
09:45<Flygon>I never escaped
09:45<Eddi|zuHause>i suppose "tvtropes will ruin your life" is a trope :p
09:45<Flygon>Been there since 2009
09:45<Hiddenfunstuff>yes it is a trope
09:45<Flygon>I REMEMBER TROPERS TALES
09:45<Flygon>YES IT BUGS ME
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09:45<Hiddenfunstuff>most likely when you read that trope.. you are already beyond saving
09:46<Eddi|zuHause>i don't even know what "trope" even means
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09:46<Flygon>I always assumed trope was a made up word
09:46<Flygon>Also apperantly I pronounce it weird
09:46<Flygon>"Tr-oe-p"
09:46<Flygon>oe as in rope
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09:47<Hiddenfunstuff>ys
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09:47<Eddi|zuHause>that's how i would pronounce it from only ever reading the word
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09:47<Flygon>Again, I'd say "Why can't English be phonetic?"
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09:47<Eddi|zuHause>but i wouldn't write it as "oe", as that means something completely different than you think :p
09:47<Hiddenfunstuff>wait.. you read 'rope' as roep?
09:47<Flygon>But each language variant would write it down differently
09:48<Flygon>Hiddenstuff: Yeah
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09:48<Hiddenfunstuff>or well.. say it as
09:48<Hiddenfunstuff>What is wrong with you
09:48<Flygon>I'm Australian?
09:48<Hiddenfunstuff>acctually.. Damnit
09:48<Hiddenfunstuff>I am doing it aswell
09:48<Flygon>lol
09:48<Hiddenfunstuff>or sometimes with u rather than e
09:48<Flygon>Roup?
09:48<Hiddenfunstuff>yep
09:48<Flygon>Sounds like a name
09:49<Hiddenfunstuff>more like soup
09:49<Flygon>Like
09:49<Flygon>Rupert
09:49<Flygon>'Rou-p...t'
09:49<Flygon>Uhm
09:49<Hiddenfunstuff>Still strange name
09:49<Flygon>I can't write the second vowel in
09:49<Flygon>There's no vowel-only combination for it in English :|
09:49<Flygon>Despite it only being voels
09:49<Flygon>vowels*
09:50<Flygon>And the only umlauts I know are Finnish
09:50<Hiddenfunstuff>:D
09:50<Flygon>Which'd confuse the crap out of the Germans here
09:50<Flygon>Because they'd wonder why I'd use the uber symbol
09:50<Hiddenfunstuff>Wouldnt think germans would be so confused
09:50<Flygon>And even worse
09:50<Flygon>Since my Finnish reading is very rusty
09:50<Hiddenfunstuff>becuase as far as i know they also use Ö and Ä
09:50<Flygon>I'd probably be using the wrong u sound anyway
09:50<Hiddenfunstuff>its just U
09:51<Hiddenfunstuff>nothing else
09:51<Flygon>Either way
09:51<Eddi|zuHause>all the vowels in finnish are "ä"
09:51<Hiddenfunstuff>no
09:51<Flygon>There's no ENGLISH way of writing the sound I want to represent
09:51<Flygon>Despite it being an actual freakin' sound in English language
09:51<Eddi|zuHause>Flygon: that's what IPA is for
09:51<Flygon>No wonder we have zero vowel standardization
09:51<Hiddenfunstuff>Actually rofl... I cant remember the vowels
09:51<Flygon>We may's well use hyroglypths and throw out the vowels
09:51<Flygon>Eddi: Aye
09:51<Flygon>But I meant using English Alphabet, not IPA xP
09:52<Hiddenfunstuff>neither do i remember the order of alphabets in the end
09:52<Flygon>English does need a more phonetic method of being written, but it's impossible without creating new alphabets
09:52<Eddi|zuHause>ever wonder how "w" became a consonant, when "u" is a vowel and "w" is "double-u"?
09:52<Flygon>And some vowel sounds are impossible to represent with digraphs or trigraphs
09:52<Flygon>Well, w is kind of half-way between a consonant and vowel tbh
09:52<Flygon>It can be used as a sort-of vowel
09:52<Hiddenfunstuff>what is the difference of consonant and vowel
09:53<Eddi|zuHause>(and then the english screwed it up by even making "u" a consonant, sometimes)
09:53<Flygon>Hell, the Aboriginal language from Alice Springs are basically used w as one of their vowels. If you counted vowels strictly, they'd have just TWO. w is basically the third
09:53<Flygon>This makes the language incredibly painful to read.
09:54<Flygon>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Arrernte_language
09:54<Eddi|zuHause>Hiddenfunstuff: i think the "naive" definition is: a vowel is a sound by itself, and a consonant is only a sound in combination with a vowel
09:54<Flygon>(and even worse, the two vowels that ARE there are pretty close counting)
09:54<Hiddenfunstuff>That made no sense in my head.. Dont bother trying to teach me.. I'm not very good at recieving information
09:55<Flygon>A consonant can be a sound independant
09:55<Flygon>It just sounds incredibly stupid in English
09:55<Flygon>And even then, there's some pretty long words in English that're vowelless
09:55<Flygon>Like crwth (kr-wth)
09:56<Flygon>Granted, that th is a digraph... but, you get my point
09:56<Flygon>Four sounds, no vowels :B
09:56<Eddi|zuHause>Hiddenfunstuff: if you try to describe the sound of a letter, a vowel is the same in both forms, like "a is spoken as a", whereas a consonant becomes more letters "j is spoken as jay"
09:56<Hiddenfunstuff>Aaah yes
09:57<Eddi|zuHause>which is a hugely simplified (and thus wrong) definition...
10:03<Flygon>Eddi: As a kid, I kept wondering why everyone kept misspelling things with js in them
10:03<Flygon>And I learned in my 20s
10:03<Flygon>That the js were used to represent y sounds
10:03<Flygon>It didn't help that Fjords in Australia tend to be called... er
10:03<Flygon>Fords
10:03<Flygon>We DROPPED THE SOUND
10:04<Eddi|zuHause>Fords and Fjords are very different things, though
10:05<Eddi|zuHause>Ford (or german Furt) is a shallow place in a river where you can cross (hence place names like Frankfurt), and Fjords are the coastal valleys in norway...
10:05<Eddi|zuHause>which are not shallow at all :p
10:06<Hiddenfunstuff>Seriously
10:06<Hiddenfunstuff>Out of everything you could call Fjord.. you called them FORDS
10:08<andythenorth>eh?
10:08<Hiddenfunstuff>Ford..
10:08<Hiddenfunstuff>Hnngh
10:08<andythenorth>is a thing you cross a river with, or a car
10:08<Hiddenfunstuff>the car..
10:08*andythenorth missed 140 lines of this
10:08<andythenorth>did I miss much?
10:08<Hiddenfunstuff>not relaly
10:09<Eddi|zuHause>lots of topic jumping :p
10:09<Hiddenfunstuff>it felt like school's language lesson all over again
10:09<Eddi|zuHause>i think the topic was porn, but i'm not sure :p
10:09<Hiddenfunstuff>Oh yes
10:10<Hiddenfunstuff>somehow it went from porn to 4K porn.. VR porn.. furries and ?? Somehow ended up in alphabets
10:10<Eddi|zuHause>alphabet porn
10:10<andythenorth>right
10:10<andythenorth>I won’t scrollback
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10:30<Flygon>Combine them together
10:30<Flygon>And you get furry 4K VR alphabet porn
10:30<andythenorth>that is a mental image I can’t unsee
10:34<@peter1138>I can't even imagine it, fortunately.
10:35<Eddi|zuHause>it
10:35<Eddi|zuHause>'s also beyond my realm of imagination
10:35<Wolf01>like i can't imagine how to draw a timer bar of 300px in 64px
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10:38<Wolf01>also the 300px are dynamic and i don't know the initial size
10:39<Eddi|zuHause>so count in % and scale it to the actual size?
10:39<Wolf01>yes
10:39<Eddi|zuHause>how that is a hard problem is also beyond my realm of imagination
10:40<Wolf01>if i knew the initial size it was easier :)
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11:41<andythenorth>quak
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12:13<frosch123>hola
12:25<argoneus>hola hola
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12:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27436 trunk/src/lang/spanish.txt (2015-11-05 18:45:08 +0100 )
12:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
12:45<@DorpsGek>spanish - 1 changes by SilverSurferZzZ
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13:54<Wolf01>bah, i just stepped on rule 34 with cookies :|
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18:34<greeter>greetings all
18:37<Wolf01>o/
18:38<greeter>what's new?
18:38<Wolf01>this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31171970/PC/Tank01.PNG
18:40<greeter>that looks like a puzzle of some sort
18:45<Wolf01>it is, at least the code part...
18:45<greeter>oh? you're coding this?
18:45<Wolf01>yes
18:46<greeter>sweet. what language?
18:48<Wolf01>c#
18:49<greeter>interesting
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18:52<glx>and the icon looks like it's MFC
18:52<greeter>hmm?
18:53<Wolf01>it is
18:54<Wolf01>i'm learning some basic things and i plan to switch to unity in future
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19:03<drac_boy>hi
19:03<Wolf01>\o
19:04<greeter>greetings drac_boy
19:04<drac_boy>so I thought the tram idea seem like a good one for mixed town/country rails then I realized I didn't think of one silly snag...the doors are often only on one side so...oh well scratch that idea :-> (at least I'm still doing a little bit of work at times on my computer grf pixels so ehh)
19:04<drac_boy>hi wolf and greeter, hows you two?
19:05<greeter>i'm doing alright. you?
19:05<Wolf01>tired, right now
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19:07<greeter>that's never fun
19:07*drac_boy throws a pillow at greeter then
19:07<drac_boy>:)
19:07<greeter>hmm? what was that for?
19:10<drac_boy>who said sleeping was boring? but nevermind that anyhow
19:10<drac_boy>what you doing atm yourself greeter?
19:10<greeter>i'm working on a scenario that i hope to publish to the openttd forums at some point
19:16<drac_boy>nice
19:17<greeter>i guess. could have done a better job cropping the height map i used, which itself wasn't all that great to begin with. meh
19:18<drac_boy>mm
19:19<greeter>basically i decided it would be easier if i just made everything flat, and add hills as necessary lol
19:20<drac_boy>:)
19:20<greeter>it's sub arctic so hills are the only ways to get forests. oh well
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19:23<drac_boy>funny re you mentioning arctic...I may have to buy a bit of modeller's snow later :->
19:24<greeter>hmm? what's that?
19:25<drac_boy>eg http://woodlandscenics.woodlandscenics.com/show/Item/SN140/page/1
19:25<greeter>sweet
19:27<Wolf01>'night
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19:33<drac_boy>greeter or how about this? http://i.ytimg.com/vi/XzSLMQlTIyk/maxresdefault.jpg
19:33<greeter>that looks very realistic
19:34<greeter>hmm, i just googled a place name i want to add to the scenario, and apparently the postal code there starts with B0T, wonder how many B0Ts will wind up playing the scenario
19:38<drac_boy>heh well its a real model locomotive .. not the often-usual cheap usa plastic ones
19:38<drac_boy>greeter..heh I dunno :)
19:39<greeter>there seemed to be something about it which indicated to me that it was a higher quality than most models. knowing nothing about models or trains though i really couldn't say what tipped me off though
19:42<drac_boy>greeter mm well this is an older (but still very similar today) usa locomotive to give you an idea http://www.ho-scaletrains.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/tyco_icg_gp20_5628.jpg
19:42<drac_boy>almost no detail and hey wheres the handrails at all
19:43<greeter>even i can tell there's a definite difference
19:44<drac_boy>greeter but of course if you are one of these rivet counters then this is your kind of trains: http://www.caboosehobbies.com/brass/articles/images/para10ss.jpg
19:45<drac_boy>a lot of them come 'factory' but sometimes you can buy ones that are already painted for you too (weathering usually still has to be done by the customers themself tho)
19:45<drac_boy>these brass stuff cost big $ tho
19:46<greeter>i bet. hmm
19:47<FLHerne>You Americans have it much harder with all those fiddly pipes
19:47<FLHerne>British locos tend to have them all hidden away
19:47<greeter>lol i see
19:48<Eddi|zuHause>german locos have all that stuff visible
19:48<greeter>i don't know much about trains like i say. not my stock and trade
19:49<greeter>i might be the guy someday who wires the train for electricity, but that'd be all i'd have to do with it
19:49<drac_boy>flherne..its actually easier on the contrast...
19:50<FLHerne>drac_boy: That brass model looks a *** to paint though
19:50<drac_boy>the 3-cylinder steam that alco built .. some railroads managed to rebuilt them into 2-cylinder outside the depression year due to the frequent mechanical access issues with the center cylinder
19:50<drac_boy>ah..model painting..yeah...I agree with that :-s
19:51<drac_boy>btw a few railroads did try rebuild wreck-damaged locomotives into "british style" but more than often they were scrapped before WWII or got rebuilt with more conventional pumps/etc on the sides
19:51<drac_boy>one of the main problem with the 'british style' was lack of running boards
19:53<drac_boy>eddi I dunno if its just me or not but there was something I still wonder about german steam locomotives....in runby photos they almost always seem to be pouring steam out of the cylinder bottom cocks nonstop
19:53<drac_boy>let me see if I can find one example again now
19:54<greeter>sometimes real places are a lousy basis for a scenario lol
19:54<Eddi|zuHause>i have not understood any of those words.
19:55<drac_boy>greeter heh
19:56<greeter>i have plenty of towns but, as in the place this is based off of, they tend to be highly concentrated in some areas and totally absent from others
20:01<greeter>hmm, and sometimes i'm missing info too. the last population figures i can find from this town come from the 1931 census, sure it'll be fine if the info is only 84 years out of date :-P
20:02<drac_boy>heh
20:03<greeter>with any luck this scenario won't be horribly panned by critics lol
20:05<drac_boy>say greeter I was thinking about the german photos I found then realized I may know something a bit different for you ... you want see a steam locomotive that has smoke coming "from somewhere else other than near the front of boilertop"? :)
20:05<greeter>sure
20:06<drac_boy>https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Locomotive_FS_741.120.JPG/800px-Locomotive_FS_741.120.JPG here you go greeter
20:07<greeter>hmm, i somehow like the look of that train better
20:07<drac_boy>it was a modest feedwater preheat system (using exhaust's heat) .. worked well on some locomotives and netted no gains on other (such as the britian 9F's that were modified with these)
20:07<drac_boy>thats why the smoke is off the side near cab instead of at front
20:08<drac_boy>and heres the uk version that later were stripped https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Chesterfield_BR_2-10-0_with_Franco-Crosti_boiler_geograph-2751531-by-Ben-Brooksbank.jpg/800px-Chesterfield_BR_2-10-0_with_Franco-Crosti_boiler_geograph-2751531-by-Ben-Brooksbank.jpg
20:08<greeter>ok
20:08<drac_boy>a bit too much smoke in front of the engineer/driver there tho heheh
20:09<greeter>lol i see
20:09<drac_boy>greeter and if you want it more "chunky" then the italian already has one for you https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Italian_742_class_2-8-0_1973.jpg/800px-Italian_742_class_2-8-0_1973.jpg
20:09<drac_boy>looks like a big can slapped onto the side :)
20:09<greeter>hmm
20:10<greeter>it does
20:10<drac_boy>and I guess the piston-to-preheater piping is more visible too
20:11<drac_boy>greeter on yet another topic hows this look to you? http://www.karenparker.net/PMimages/Cab-Forward-Allegheny.jpg
20:12<greeter>looks really old. any chance that was taken in pennsylvania?
20:13<drac_boy>nope .. across usa but mainly around mid-west ... Southern Pacific apparently had issues with long tunnels sitting on grade so since they were oil-fired anyway the solution was to simply turn the locomotive itself around and run it cabforward (hence the official nickname for them being that)
20:14<greeter>ok
20:14<drac_boy>doubleheading still meant the second crew got a lot of carbon into their face .. but ehh I dunno about the truth behind cab conditions tho
20:14<greeter>indeed
20:16<drac_boy>anyhow I'm going for a bit now...have fun with your scenario map allright? :)
20:16<greeter>thanks, will try lol
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20:18<drac_boy>and humm yeah may as well as post this now for others anyway http://germanrail.fr.yuku.com/topic/4136/Modelling-Reisezge-DB-Epoche-III-Dzugbildung-in-187-HO?page=2#.Vjv8RbdOWic ... seem every time I find a photo of german steam under speed it always seem like the piston cocks are partially open all the times .. oh well one day I'll figure that out!
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20:33<Eddi|zuHause>i'm afraid i have no clue about that part of steam engine technology
20:34<greeter>hmm well you're a step ahead of me then probably :-P
20:34<greeter>course i'm of the opinion that all trains should be electric :-P
21:22<Eddi|zuHause>you're in luck then, germany has had extensive electric networks for over a century now
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22:47<greeter>wish we could say that here in canada
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23:47<greeter>ok maybe this map is too big. in real life it takes 2 hours to drive between these two cities at 110 kilometers per hour. it took a train at 88 almost 6 months :-S
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