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---Logopened Thu Nov 12 00:00:30 2015
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07:15<Wolf01>hi hi
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08:52<greeter>greetings andythenorth
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09:33<andythenorth>ho ho
09:33<andythenorth>anyone playing this?
09:34<greeter>what is it?
09:34<greeter>ah i see
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10:11<greeter>greetings frosch123
10:11<frosch123>andythenorth: i made some things:
10:12<andythenorth>frosch123: :)
10:13<andythenorth>the removal of manufacturing supplies arrows was wise
10:15<andythenorth>RT 3 did similar with fertiliser
10:15<frosch123>i also had a version with the preview images
10:16<frosch123>but graphviz cannot scale them, so they were way too big
10:16<andythenorth>I could scale them
10:16<andythenorth>but it might be tmwftlb
10:16<andythenorth>they won’t look crisp
10:16<frosch123>well, apparently it would be enough to give them some different dpi information
10:18<frosch123> <- some industries were missing the 'life_type' (paper and steel mill irc), so i moved it to the baseclass
10:24<andythenorth>I wonder why I didn’t do that already
10:24<andythenorth>thanks :)
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12:25<frosch123>i made some more pictures:
12:25<frosch123>i think the kurtz economy lacks a key feature cargo :)
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12:26<andythenorth>hmm :)
12:31<frosch123>i think cargo transport directly between blue (black hole) industries is a BAD FEATURE
12:31<frosch123>so, i removed the link from basic tropic
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12:31<frosch123>the only one left is in kurtz, but i guess it is fine in the kurtz context
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13:20<@Alberth>a man of very few words :)
13:23<@Alberth>food and alcohol seem to be very alike in basic tropic?
13:23<@Alberth>exactly the same destinations
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13:25<Mazur>It would be nice, for variety, to have some more simple primaries/secondaries combinations like but different from the regular set.
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13:26<Mazur>Just a thought.
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14:08<andythenorth>Mazur: o_O ?
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14:11<andythenorth>Alberth: any BB ideas recently? o_O
14:11*andythenorth has been not paying attention here recently
14:11<andythenorth>shipping a RL v2
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14:15<Mazur>I just mean, always hauling coal, wood, livestock, grain, oil, gets a bit repetetive, of course there's tropical, whihc is a bit different, but not much, or Martian, whihc is rather sweet for a diabetic...
14:15<@Alberth>nope, no new ideas, other than lack of concentrated cargo movement demands, but that's more in the alley of SV
14:16<Mazur>Then there's FIRS or YETI, but htey get quite complicated.
14:17<@Alberth>there's also toyland :)
14:17<Mazur>That's what I meant when I said Martian.
14:18<@Alberth>there is also a supposedly martian economy for toyland
14:19<@Alberth>andy, in my current game I have stopped bothering with BB, until it gives me more sane goals :)
14:19<Mazur>Anyway, like I said, just a thought, since at Public we seem to play the same sets over and over.
14:20<Mazur>Just my personal feeling.
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14:28<V453000>YETI is just as complicated as you let it be :P you can only use 2 cargoes for example
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14:33<Mazur>You tell that to the plan makers and voters.
14:34<andythenorth>Mazur: tried OpenGFX+ industries?
14:35<andythenorth>nothing new, but cargos can be mixed more between climates
14:35<andythenorth>or tried FIRS basic?
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14:42<frosch123>damn, how does evolution manage to even open a window that has global keyboard focus
14:42<frosch123>or maybe kde is broken
14:42*frosch123 should have stayed on wheezy
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14:48<@Alberth>it's not evolution that's broken?
14:49<frosch123>no idea, i have been trying to send an email for an hour
14:49<frosch123>it's the first outgoing mail since i updated to jessie
14:50<frosch123>i never understood how it is possible to receive mails, but not send them via the same account :)
14:50<frosch123>but that's a problem i have had before
14:52<frosch123>well, someone knows whether kmail is better than evolution?
14:52<frosch123>evolution seems to have the same bugs as it had in wheezy, in some more
14:56<FLHerne>KMail2? Wipe all your emails and save some time, IME
14:57<TrueBrain>just use netcat
14:57<Eearslya>So, possibly a noob mistake, I'm trying to compile in MSVC right now and a few files in the OpenTTD essentials are throwing a ton of errors out; mostly missing semicolons and such. Not quite sure where I went wrong.
14:57<FLHerne>It cleverly organises and indexes your mail in a SQL database, which it then happily corrupts, almost without fail, every feature release
14:58<FLHerne>Eearslya: Have you patched it, or just plain OTTD source?
15:00<Eearslya>Just the trunk, downloaded it this morning
15:03<andythenorth>this is my evening gone
15:03<andythenorth>1507 pax so far
15:03<andythenorth>can’t get longer than 64 days
15:09<Eddi|zuHause>i don't think i play banished correctly... i ran out of tools, my toolmaker is not built yet, and i have everyone on food, but i don't get enough food to feed everyone...
15:10<andythenorth>games are rubbish
15:10<andythenorth>we’re rubbish at them
15:10<andythenorth>let’s write code instead
15:10<frosch123>any wishes left for the cargo graphs?
15:10<andythenorth>frosch123: I’m not ignoring your diffs, just doing other stuff ;)
15:10<andythenorth>‘not serif font’ ? o_O
15:11<andythenorth>presumably it has some stylesheet thing?
15:11<frosch123>it's a svg
15:12<frosch123>it has some "class=" in the source
15:12<frosch123>but no idea what they link to
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15:14<andythenorth>I need to learn that
15:14<andythenorth>might be interesting
15:14<andythenorth>graphviz becomes a dependency for FIRS?
15:15<frosch123>yes, but i put an "if" in the makefil
15:15<andythenorth>might need installing on bundles
15:15<frosch123>so, if it is not installed, it skips the images
15:15<frosch123>i already did
15:21<Eearslya>Nobody else has any idea why I'm getting the errors?
15:21<frosch123>you could try pasting something to
15:22<frosch123>but other than hat, likely noone here compiles on windows
15:23<frosch123>yeah, kill -9 evolution !
15:25<drac_boy>heh? :)
15:28<Eddi|zuHause>Eearslya: we can't really mind-read your errors
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15:29<__ln__>some of us can't
15:31<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause: you forgot your smiley :P
15:32<Eddi|zuHause>did i really?
15:34<andythenorth>what else could I play?
15:34<andythenorth>Boom Beach?
15:34<andythenorth>Flight Control HD?
15:38<andythenorth>pacman :P
15:39<Eddi|zuHause>Eearslya: are you sure you downloaded the correct version of openttd's
15:40<Eearslya>I downloaded 5.1 originally, but that came up with linker errors. I checked the forums, and one of the posts directed me to download 6.0 instead, which is now giving me these
15:42<Eddi|zuHause>did you delete the old version before installing the new one?
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15:43<Eddi|zuHause>which version of msvc are you using?
15:44<Eearslya>2015 community, 14.0.23107.0
15:45<Eddi|zuHause>hm, then i'm out of ideas...
15:46<Wolf01>i don't have any problem compiling with that, check if you got the right zip
15:48<Eearslya>If I compile with the essentials from there, I instead get these
15:50<+glx>yes 5.1 doesn't work with 2015
15:50<drac_boy>just wondering, whats *-useful for?
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15:51<Eddi|zuHause>i still think you made some mistake that ended up mixing files from different versions
15:51<+michi_cc>Eearslya: Make sure to list the directories from the useful zip first in MSVC. Apparently freetype and the Windows SDK have a file name conflict otherwise.
15:52<Wolf01>glx, are you sure? it works for me o_O
15:53<+glx>Wolf01: it works for me too, because I forced win7 sdk
15:53<Eearslya>I couldn't even install Win7's SDK, apparently my .NET is too new. Trying to build now with the rearranged include path
15:56<Wolf01>mmmh, maybe it did automatically for me, i installed the win10 sdk just one week ago, so it must had the win7 one as default
15:57<Eearslya>Bingo; putting essentials at the front of the path fixed it! Thanks michi_cc
15:58<Eddi|zuHause>michi_cc: that seems unnecessarily complicated. can't you just rename the file?
15:59<+michi_cc>No, I'm not going to rename Freetype header files which will then randomly break if somebody on Linux changes OTTD.
16:01<Eearslya>Complicated? It was a 30-second fix for me..
16:02<@Alberth>complicated in you spending time to figure it out
16:03<@Alberth>fix once you know what is wrong is always simple
16:03<Wolf01>it might need a wiki page
16:03<+glx>I never remember where are the config files :)
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16:07<drac_boy>nevermind..will find out later as need to afk now
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20:06<drac_boy>hm is the forum not wanting to ping back for anyone else?
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20:23<drac_boy>nevermind..seem to have been dns or something
20:45<drac_boy>hmm an older topic on forum has me wondering..anyone here have any thoughts of their own on that overpriced white elephant of a Boris Routemaster
20:45<drac_boy>(uk yeah)
21:08<drac_boy>going off for tonight anyhow
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21:10<Eddi|zuHause>a... what?
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