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---Logopened Wed Nov 25 00:00:49 2015
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03:09<Wolf01>hi o/
03:15<__ln___> |\
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04:37<Flygon>Not sure if satire or real
04:42<Wolf01>i hope it's satire
04:43<Wolf01>but knowing the reality it might be real as well
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07:12<Eddi|zuHause>i'm sure i miss a lot in xkcd...
07:16<SpComb>all you need to explore it is a slow compiler :)
07:19<@planetmaker>well, there's more coins than in the immediate vicinity :D
07:21<Eddi|zuHause>haha :p
07:21<Eddi|zuHause>yes, i got that far :p
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07:42<@planetmaker>hm, Elon Musk's volcanic lair...
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08:50<Wolf01>i want to burn my eyes
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08:54<sim-al2>Not sure what decade that site was made
08:55<Eddi|zuHause>looks very 90s :)
08:55<Wolf01>i think when clip art cd-roms were still in use
08:55<sim-al2>The rotating pizza-texture arrow at the bottom seals it for me
08:55<Wolf01>we really had that bad taste in the '90?
08:55<sim-al2>Also: 2003-2006 -_-
08:56<Wolf01>you mean the flash obscure age?
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08:56<sim-al2>Yes, Geocities and the like allowed for some truely horrible design
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08:56<sim-al2>At least this one doesn't have sound
08:57<Wolf01>*luckily ^
08:58<__ln___>it's not a 90s site, there's css in the source code.
09:00<Wolf01>looking at the uppercase tags it might be frontpage, with a little hand touch for the most recent additions
09:01<sim-al2>Every webpage editor should include a warning box when someone selects Comic Sans, asking them why they would ever do that
09:01<Wolf01>the table in the center might be generated from dreamweaver or sameshit
09:02<Eddi|zuHause>i've never used any of those programs
09:02<Eddi|zuHause>i think my father (or maybe my uncle) had frontpage in the late 90s
09:03<Wolf01>i used frontpage once, when i understood i needed to clean the shit by hand i started to use notepad (yes, the windows notepad)
09:03<Wolf01>but at that time i did only some cd-rom interactive menus
09:05<Wolf01>for websites i used notepad++, komodo edit, and now the most practical of the things: phpstorm
09:07<Wolf01>uhm, i really need to switch to phpstorm license to the new plan, so 2 years at the price of one
09:07<Eddi|zuHause>i haven't done a lot of html... i don't remember what i used.
09:10<Wolf01>ok, license plan renewed until april 2018
09:12<Eddi|zuHause>you really use programs which you have to renew?
09:12<Wolf01>no, i could use the version i purchased, but i like to get new updates every now and then
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09:49<Eddi|zuHause>i guess i'll never know if i've seen everything/collected all coins
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09:56<Wolf01>why do you abort my connection, software?
09:57<Eddi|zuHause>blame peer
09:58<Wolf01>i would blame beer, but i don't drink alcohol
10:03<Eddi|zuHause>how does that ever stop anybody?
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11:04<Wolf01>you are off by 1 char, remove one _
11:04<__ln___>okay, now it looks like a christmas tree
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11:04<__ln__>admittedly that wasn't the initial goal
11:06<Eddi|zuHause>the christmas tree is a bit one-sided
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11:10<@Alberth>wolf already provided the other side?
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11:28<Wolf01>i don't want a christmas tree
11:32<Eddi|zuHause>you terrorist!
11:33<Wolf01>i don't believe in cocacola made-up holidays
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12:18<Eddi|zuHause>or is it cocacola-made up-holidays?
12:19<Wolf01>feel free to fix my writing
12:21<Wolf01>the grammar nazi me is asleep now
12:29<Eddi|zuHause>that was more of a joke ;)
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13:38<Wolf01>meh, i might need ships in factorio
13:39<SikoR>hi guys i would use some of your helps in seting up a port forwarding at my router, can u be nice and help me?
13:40<Wolf01>tell us the specific problem and we might help you :)
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13:40<SikoR>i found this
13:40<+glx>usually google knows better
13:40<SikoR>the default port is 3979, but you can change it to anything you like when you start a server. If you set up your own server behind a router, you need to forward both TCP and UDP on that port.
13:40<SikoR> Communication with the master-server works via port 3979 over UDP (inbound + outbound) and 3978 over UDP (outbound)
13:40<SikoR> If you are joining a server you do not need to forward any ports, as connections are outbound only.
13:40<SikoR>that's the google
13:40<@DorpsGek>frosch123: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound)
13:41<frosch123> <- search for something like that in your routing settings
13:41<SikoR>at my server nat>virtual server>custom
13:41<SikoR>and now i stuck at names
13:42<SikoR>external port start| external port end| protocl (udp/tcp)| internal port start
13:42<+glx>easy 3979 3979 TCP 3979
13:42<SikoR>and remote IP i did set my pc to have a static ip adress when it connects to the router but where should i type that
13:42<+glx>and 3979 3797 UDP 3979
13:43<SikoR>oh i thought it would be sth like that but that start and end just get me little bit unsure
13:43<Wolf01>remote should be any ip, the internal one should be your pc static ip
13:43<Wolf01>usually "any" is
13:44<SikoR>so server ip adress is my pc ip and remote ip is just
13:44<Wolf01>btw, dinner
13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27457 /trunk/src/lang (croatian.txt spanish.txt) (2015-11-25 19:45:12 +0100 )
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>croatian - 1 changes by VoyagerOne
13:45<@DorpsGek>spanish - 2 changes by SilverSurferZzZ
13:45<SikoR>thanks! that help a lot
13:45<SikoR>bah remote is invalid
13:47<SikoR>if that is invalid should i change it to
13:48<SikoR>yeah that did the job
13:48<Eddi|zuHause>that is probably not right
13:49<SikoR>but router doesn't accept as valid remote host
13:49<Eddi|zuHause>are you sure you're in the right setup screen?
13:51<SikoR>advanced setup->nat->virtual server(the one that have some presets for games feC&C AoE)->and i tried to custom
13:52<SikoR>so i think it is correct directory
13:54<SikoR>btw. does it matter if i use laptop to be my middleman between PC and router?
13:54<Eddi|zuHause>this might be for some bridge stuff, which would make an external server look like it's in the local network
13:54<Eddi|zuHause>try another setup screen, which reads like "port forwarding"
13:55<SikoR>port triggering
13:55<SikoR>port mapping
13:55<Eddi|zuHause>port mapping sounds good
13:56<SikoR>there is some presets for aim talk and icq
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13:58<SikoR>i got some trigger port start | end <tcp/udp>open port start | end <tcp/udp>
13:58<Eddi|zuHause>i don't think you want trigger
14:02<SikoR>and port mapping not looking similar to anything where i can type that tcp udp 3979 ports
14:03<Eddi|zuHause>then you should study your router documentation
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14:08<SikoR>i think that this first directory is OK but i didn't try to leave remote host blank
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14:09<SikoR> is invalid but if i leave it blank is OK.
14:14<Wolf01>andy o/
14:14<Eddi|zuHause>hm, i was sure i suggested that, but i don't find it reading back
14:15<SikoR>shit happens,
14:15<SikoR>thanks ! u did good job i think it's good atm
14:33<SikoR>next problem just cosmetics
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14:34<SikoR>i mean if i use my laptop as a bridge/middleman between router and pc it's not working
14:35<SikoR>if i start a serwer at laptop i can join from pc but not in the other way
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14:36<SikoR>is it easy to fix?
14:41<Eddi|zuHause>we certainly do not know how you set up your "bridge"
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14:42<SikoR>so i should search google for port forwarding bridge windows or there is any words more concrete that will help too
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14:45<Eddi|zuHause>"Turkish protesters who wanted to hit the russian consulate with eggs hit the dutch consulate instead. they confused the flags"
14:45<Eddi|zuHause>SikoR: there are two very distinct ways how to "bridge" networks
14:47<Eddi|zuHause>SikoR: one is an actual bridge (intermediate just blindly forwards packets both ways), and the other is a staged network (intermediate acts as a router/firewall and selectively forwards packets)
14:47<Eddi|zuHause>depending on what you want, the setup processes will be completely different
14:49<Wolf01> what
14:52<SikoR>ok so it's a hard work.
14:52<andythenorth>where is cat?
14:53<Wolf01>in the matrix, it seem
14:53<Eddi|zuHause>SikoR: it's mostly a small number of clicks, but you need to know what exactly you want to know which clicks are the right ones
14:55<Eddi|zuHause>Wolf01: that's what happens when people take xkcd too seriously
14:56<SikoR>so it's a hard work for someone who's like blindfolded ;)
14:56<Eddi|zuHause>SikoR: yes.
14:59<SikoR>anyway i would like to thank u for putting your time in helping me I appreciate it.
15:13<frosch123>SikoR: just in case: if you only want to play between your pc and your notewook within your homenetwork, you don't need any port forwarding
15:13<frosch123>port forwarding is only required to let other people play over the internet on your computer
15:13<SikoR>yea i know
15:13<SikoR>i want to play with friends not just throught lan
15:25<andythenorth>if the router has an web-based admin interface, it’s usually easy
15:29*andythenorth wonders if FIRS 2 will ever ship
15:29<frosch123>does it have a web-based admin interface?
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15:40<andythenorth>frosch123: it used to, but I deleted that ;)
15:41<andythenorth>serialising-deserialising the data to get it into newgrf was too tedious :)
15:46<Eddi|zuHause>should have automated it
15:46<andythenorth>it was the code that was tedious :P
15:46<andythenorth>I should have automated writing the code
15:50<andythenorth>writing code is never going to solve the problem
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16:00<drac_boy>eddi just a little random tidbit curiousity .. I wondered if the uk signalman had any terms for these semaphore signals they had to operate .. in usa I know some of the types were called armstrong levers because of needing big muscles to pull them into position heh
16:02<Eddi|zuHause>have i mentioned that i have ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING CLUE about foreign signalling systems?
16:03<frosch123>he only asked you about the brittish
16:03<Eddi|zuHause>last i checked, british was foreign :p
16:07<drac_boy>either way heres something that was very rare and is now already gone for a few years (as part of a signal upgrade they finally did)
16:07<drac_boy>talk about modern diesel finding itself in front of fully operating semaphores :)
16:08<drac_boy>the line is Raton Pass (in case sim-a12 is curious)
16:09<Eddi|zuHause>how is that strange?
16:10<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: what's foreign for you?
16:14<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: anything that is not domestic
16:14<@Rubidium>so you know everything about both east and west german signalling stuff?
16:15<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: that is an invalid inversion
16:16<Eddi|zuHause>"A=>B" does not imply "¬A=>¬B"
16:16<Eddi|zuHause>only "¬B=>¬A"
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16:17<@Rubidium>interestingly the EU has a gross domestic product ;)
16:18<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: of course, "domestic" depends on your personal point of view :p
16:18<@Rubidium>that's why defining domestic as not foreign is quite useless
16:19<Eddi|zuHause>however, i did not do that :p
16:19<@Rubidium>true, you did the inverse... defining foreign as not domestic
16:20<@Rubidium>ah well, splitting hairs
16:20<@Rubidium>germany has way too many signals
16:20<Eddi|zuHause>it has like 5 completely different systems
16:21<Eddi|zuHause>and then regional variations on those
16:25<frosch123>i thought foreign means non-korean
16:26<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: it might mean that, if you are korean :p
16:28<drac_boy>someone mentioned korean? :)
16:29<Eddi|zuHause>that could be practically anywhere...
16:31<frosch123>it's a szene in a theme park for sunflower-shaped aliens
16:31<drac_boy>you'll have to photoshop the engine and that background to get any non-korea effect tho :)
16:32<drac_boy>frosch heh .. well netherlands has a lot of trackside flowerbeds like these
16:33<frosch123>depends on the type of flower
16:33<drac_boy>about half of the photos I've looked for NS trains (aside to that I have one dutch magazine with a few more) always had these kind of flowerbeds next to them
16:33<frosch123>tulips mean dutchistan
16:33<drac_boy>not too sure why but I guess the people there are too happy to care for a lot of flowers :)
16:34<@Rubidium>drac_boy: they make a lot of money
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16:42<Eddi|zuHause>in germany you'd find lots of rapeseed instead
16:44<drac_boy>and umm vines for the french? :) (or at least that was some of the purpose for the 60cm lines existing till roads ousted them)
16:44<Eddi|zuHause>you need specific ground formations and climate for vines
16:45<Eddi|zuHause>you can find those as well in germany
16:47<Eddi|zuHause>the colour scheme of that dutch train kinda looks like the old colour scheme of the munich S-Bahn
16:48<drac_boy>hm didn't know they had used blue .. I somehow always associate with cream/red (early belin sbhan) or modern db red
16:49<Eddi|zuHause>blue/white are kinda the signature colours of munich/bavaria :p
16:50<drac_boy>heh well I didn't know that till now
16:50<Eddi|zuHause>in the rest of west germany the S-Bahn had this orange-ish colour:
16:51<drac_boy>I do seem to think that bavaria steam was rather often green with either green or red tire spokes ... compared to black with red chassis/spokes for drg otherwise
16:51<Eddi|zuHause>originally they wanted a different colour for each city
16:51<drac_boy>mm could had been interesting if that did really happen ^
16:52<Eddi|zuHause>drac_boy: black for steam was rather "modern", the older the more colourful they were
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16:53<Eddi|zuHause>drac_boy: the orange was meant for the Rhein/Ruhr area, and for Frankfurt i think they intended a red version, but then also made it orange
16:54<drac_boy>there was also navy blue on some locomotives around the world but this seem to had been an individual thing (as in not an entire class at any time carried it etc)
16:54<drac_boy>I wonder if yellow was on the list :) (re emu colours)
16:54<drac_boy>might had been too easy to confuse with track maintenance trains tho
16:55<Eddi|zuHause>there was a yellow train operated by Lufthansa, between the airports of Köln and Frankfurt, i believe. or possibly Düsseldorf
16:55<drac_boy>oh..that the white/yellow airport shuttle right?
16:55<Eddi|zuHause>as an alternative to flying short distance
16:57<drac_boy>I've seen marklin's trainset for that quite a few times (it always seem to show up in the catalog photopages a lot even if not always actually catalogized)
16:57<frosch123>there are regional mus from private corporations in about any colour
16:57<frosch123>but usually they are not uni coloured
16:57<Eddi|zuHause>this was the unused red intended for frankfurt: 420503u420002_Dsts MueHbf.jpg
16:58<drac_boy>ah yeah I remember why I seem to recall that train easily ... it had that rather quirky nose styling for the cab coach end .. almost like a shallow wide duck mouth
16:58<Eddi|zuHause>uhm, that's the wrong image
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17:01<Eddi|zuHause>drac_boy: yes, but there was also a locomotive+wagons version of this train
17:03<drac_boy>interesting way they styled the blue/red strip on these trains btw (especially arrow ends on side and the band over the headlights)
17:04<Eddi|zuHause>those were the 70s... nowadays everything has to be monotone red... (with mandatory highlights around the doors)
17:05<drac_boy>yeah :-s
17:08<drac_boy>japan at least generally seem to prefer silver with strips of other colours added onto that (re commuter sets) .. although sometimes I don't know about the particular windshield design certain ones have :-s
17:08<Eddi|zuHause>well, they tried to break that pattern here by mandating that trains in the region must have main colour silver, which DB accented with green doors and abellio with red doors
17:11<Eddi|zuHause>(i think they took green because that's the colour of the S-Bahn logo/lines on maps)
17:11<@Terkhen>Good night
17:12<drac_boy>theres also the early amtrak livery which frankly I don't think I liked a lot (and don't mind that "rudolph" looking locomotive uhhh)
17:13<drac_boy>at least the newer amtrak don't have the white background behind the strips so they do seem a bit better (but still not a favorite of mine)
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17:14<drac_boy>mm that abellio2.jpg one does look decent
17:15<Eddi|zuHause>that was a test drive. they begin operation this december
17:15*drac_boy will have to see if the Today Railway Europe magazine ever mentions it or not :p
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17:17<drac_boy>either way was nice talking about this but I'm going off soon for a bit tho :)
17:18<drac_boy>oh and btw you mentioned about loco+wagons .. this is one of marklin's many photos after all
17:19<drac_boy>either way be back in a hour give or take :)
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19:06<drac_boy>btw anyone want comment on this...umm....CAN? hehe
19:20<Flygon>Oh god
19:21<Flygon>It's the Fleshlight Train
19:21<drac_boy>hi flygon :)
19:21<Eddi|zuHause>i don't see how this is worth commenting
19:21<drac_boy>and thankfully they are not actually using that kind of styling but the new one coming soon still looks a bit weird to me with these LED "strip" lights
19:21<Flygon>It's one of the most bizarre trains I've ever seen
19:21<Flygon>Anyway, gonna reboot soon
19:21<drac_boy>I still want to whack whoever came up with that can-like rendering at first tho
19:21<drac_boy>ok :)
19:22<Flygon>Arl be bach
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19:23<Eddi|zuHause>why? 90% of things people come up with are shit. but the other 10% wouldn't exist if you couldn't tolerate weeding through all of it.
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19:30<drac_boy>wb flygon :)
19:34<Flygon>This channel has a lot of guests...
19:35<drac_boy>what you doing atm anyhow?
19:37<Flygon>Gonna work on a pic soon
19:38<Flygon>Needed to clear RAM
19:38<drac_boy>heh big picture?
19:40<Flygon>Nah, I just wanna avoid crashes
19:40<Flygon>I need to start doing this stuff on a desktop...
19:40<Flygon>But first
19:40<Flygon>SAI needs a full 64-but ver
19:41<drac_boy>guess we'll talk another time instead then
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19:55<drac_boy>flygon just curious tho..what do you think of these locos tho?
19:55<drac_boy>some usa people here (not sure of aussie ones) call them Bulldog's
19:56<Flygon_>They look like the ones that used to run in outback Australia
19:56<drac_boy>almost a bit like the usa carbody loco except for flatter roof sections (due to the radiators apparently)
19:56<Flygon_>The world's oldest/last remaining regular bulldog nose pax service is run by V/Line
19:56<Flygon_>A66 just... keeps going. Baffling everyone.
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19:57<Flygon_> It's powered by how little of a crap it gives about how old it is
19:58<drac_boy>flygon well..thats typical of alco engines ...they may be quite smokey sometimes but they seem hard to kill if they're already running :)
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19:58<drac_boy>(kinda explains why many small tourist lines have RS-1's in their fleet)
19:59<Flygon>(the fact that they'd use a V/Line loco that looks like it was built yesterday to haul a purely heratage train shows how old the machine really is!)
20:00<drac_boy>oh and flygon weird but true story .. in one rather bad winter morning New Haven found nearly all diesel locomotives frozen up except for a few (and several of that involved the DL-109's)
20:00<Flygon>"frozen up"
20:00<Flygon>You make it sound like they ran on Windows 95
20:00<drac_boy>heh...cold snow :P
20:01<Flygon>(tho, Sydney's M-sets do run on Windows 2000, Windows 3.11, Windows XP, and Windows CE... simultainiously)
20:02<Flygon>(yes, 3.11. 2000 is the one that holds all four together. 3.11 is purely there because they needed a 16-bit frontend... and 3.11 was capable of doing that AND talking to 2000. No wonder the train's computers keep crashing!)
20:03<drac_boy>problem: too many variations
20:03<Flygon>(iirc, the successor (the A-sets/Waratahs) just run on Linux)
20:06<drac_boy>heh that trainset doesn't look too bad .. but think we'll talk about that another time as I'm leaving in a moment :)
20:06<Flygon>No wakkas
20:07<Flygon>Y'know, wakkas?
20:07<Flygon>"No worries"
20:07<drac_boy>you weird :p anyway bye till next time aussie ;)
20:07<Flygon> A66's seeen some... odd liveries
20:07<Flygon>See ya!
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20:09<Eddi|zuHause>how is that stranger than today's special (advertising) liveries?
20:10<Flygon>They used the wrong tone of green
20:10<Flygon>Which clashes horridly with the yellow
20:10<Flygon>A darker green (akin to a leaf with a dark green) would've worked better with the yellow
20:10<Flygon>Particulary if the Yellow was made... cheesier
20:11<Eddi|zuHause>like a few years ago when poland printed some of its electrical engines in flags of the countries taking part in the european cup
20:13<Flygon>I bet they got the colour balance right xP
20:17<Eddi|zuHause>flags usually have very clearly defined colours :p
20:17<Flygon>But you still need to paint them
20:17<Flygon>And sometimes you can stuff it up
20:17<Flygon>Like A66 had
20:17<Eddi|zuHause>and since these special liveries are not painted, but printed and glued on, it's probably easier to correct early on
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20:18<Flygon>Yay for vynil
20:18<Flygon>Night Wo- dammit
20:19<Eddi|zuHause>he always does that
20:20<Flygon>I'd say "Annoys me when peeps do that"
20:20<Flygon>I do the same...
20:23<Eddi|zuHause>in my days we called that "Blitzquitter"
20:23<Eddi|zuHause>(from "Blitz" meaning "lightning")
20:24*Flygon nod
20:24<Flygon>Yeah, I gathered from... er
20:24<Flygon>A few odd sources now that I think on it
20:24<Flygon>Whee, FFX and Ragnarok Online <_>
20:52<Eddi|zuHause>that's, of course, also where the word "Blitzkrieg" comes from. it's supposed to be a war that is over as quick as a lightning strike
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20:53<Flygon>I'mma work on art involving Candles for now, either way x.x
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