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02:44<andythenorth>rainy cat
02:44<@Alberth>moin
02:52<andythenorth>yay setuptools fixed
02:52<andythenorth>broken setuptools is not a fun day
02:52<andythenorth>can’t deploy :P
02:52<andythenorth>can’t run jenkins tests :P
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03:12<@Alberth>wb
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07:32<Wolf01>hi o/
07:36<andythenorth>o/
07:37<Wolf01>weird, i can't see my hotmail emails in outlook on windows phone :|
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10:33*andythenorth smells wrong architecture :|
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10:41<argoneus>good morning train friends
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11:05<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: you mean like romanesque instead of gothic?
11:06<andythenorth>python equivalent yes
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11:29<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: well, means your churches might not be quite as tall, but definitely more defensive.
11:30<andythenorth>I have subclassed vehicles where I should have subclassed consists
11:30<andythenorth>but eh
11:30<andythenorth>nvm
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11:42<andythenorth>stuff that only works by accident
11:42*andythenorth does not like
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11:55<argoneus>it's frodo
11:55<argoneus>o/
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12:12<andythenorth>ha ha
12:12<andythenorth>it’s all such a mess :D
12:12<andythenorth>but it works
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12:16<@Alberth>throw it all away, and write it again, but properly this time :p
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12:18<andythenorth>‘properly’
12:21<@Alberth>I'd settle for the author to consider it better than the previous attempt :)
12:21<andythenorth>it’s better than the previous attempt
12:22<andythenorth>the degree of ‘wrong’ is more sophisticated
12:24<@Alberth>:)
12:25<@Alberth>the burden of improved understanding :p
12:26<@Alberth>I tried the AUS trains by GarryG as they are so nicely colourful, but toooo many engines :(
12:28<andythenorth>survey set, as pikka calls them
12:28<andythenorth>:)
12:28<andythenorth>I am happy to see someone turn up and have fun making it :)
12:30<@Alberth>oh definitely good to see
12:35<V453000>sup humanz
12:36<andythenorth>sup V453000
12:36<andythenorth>max automation
12:55<V453000>getting brix to working mode
12:56<argoneus>brix?
12:56<V453000>yes
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12:59<argoneus>what tdat
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13:00*andythenorth lost in PIL :P
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14:49<George>HHi
14:49<George>translator.openttdcoop.org
14:50<George>has problems
14:50<George>Error: 500 Internal Server Error
14:50<George>Sorry, the requested URL 'http://translator.openttdcoop.org, translator.openttdcoop.org/string/xussrset/ru_RU/STR_REFIT_GORKOV_RAILWAY' caused an error:
14:50<George>Internal Server Error
14:50<George>Please help
14:50<Wolf01>it doesn't look a valid url
14:51<+glx>works for me
14:51<+glx>oups wrong reading
14:51<George>I just try to edit a string
14:52<George>https://translator.openttdcoop.org/string/xussrset/ru_RU/STR_REFIT_GORKOV_RAILWAY
14:52<George>When I press Save button I get the error
14:54<+glx>maybe a problem in the string
14:55<George>The same error with any string I edit
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14:57<+glx>so editing outdated strings
14:57<+glx>and other strings too ?
15:01<juzza1>Same here (https://translator.openttdcoop.org/translation/frissrails/fi_FI), adding missing strings works fine, but updating outdated strings fails
15:02<George>Yes, problem with outdated strings
15:05<+glx>I guess it's something for Alberth or andythenorth
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15:11<@Alberth>frosch may have changed things there
15:11<andythenorth>at a guess, it’s just concatenating the wrong url
15:12<andythenorth>nobody else has reported it yet
15:12*andythenorth looks at commits
15:12<@Alberth>it's not in the eints repo
15:12<andythenorth>ah
15:13<andythenorth>and also oh
15:13<dpk>are the FIRS German translators around? / sind die deutsche Übersetzer für FIRS hier?
15:13<dpk>or someone from the FIRS team
15:13<andythenorth>planetmaker is here
15:13<dpk>i was just working through the latest missing and outdated strings
15:13<@Alberth>I don't have access to the server either
15:14<andythenorth>also me, but my german is poor
15:14<dpk>and i wasn't sure how to translate "Supply Yard" or any of the strings involving the apparently new cargo "Pyrite"
15:14<dpk>what does the Supply Yard actually do?
15:14<dpk>what's it supposed to be a model of?
15:15<andythenorth>google translate says “Pyrit Erz” for “Pyrite Ore"
15:15<andythenorth>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrite
15:16<andythenorth>Supply Yard is slightly made up
15:16<andythenorth>but
15:16<andythenorth>http://www.clarkemachinery.ie/App_User_Files/image/RoscommonYard161012crop.jpg
15:16<andythenorth>http://www.robertdaviesmachinery.co.uk/images/about-us.jpg
15:17<@Alberth>supplies reseller :)
15:18<andythenorth>http://www.abeletractor.com/construction-equipment/images-const-pro/history/Abele-Tractor-Equipment-Co.jpg
15:18<dpk>also: "2 crates per 8 litres chemicals delivered" in STR_EXTRA_TYRE_PLANT — is that a mistake? usually chemicals are measured by 1000 litres, not 1 litre
15:18<dpk>oh okay hmm
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15:20<dpk>"litre" is also abbreviate as "l" in other strings
15:20<dpk>*abbreviated
15:21<andythenorth>yes it’s a mistake that it’s not 1000 litres :)
15:21<andythenorth>thanks
15:22*andythenorth fixes
15:23<andythenorth>pushed, will show up in English by tomorrow usually
15:36<+michi_cc>dpk: The matching word for andy's images would probably be "Landmaschinenhandel", at least if it's supposed to be mainly about agricultural machinery.
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15:40<Eddi|zuHause>what about "Nachschublager"?
15:44<dpk>i think michi_cc was right with Landmaschinenhandel
15:45<dpk>based on the photos
15:46<andythenorth>it’s a made-up industry mind
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15:46<andythenorth>it could as much be a supply yard for an oil drilling company, or such
15:46<dpk>oh, hmm
15:48<andythenorth>something like this http://www.arvinepipe.com/photos/full%20yard%20ariel%20image_lg1.jpg
15:51<andythenorth>ha found it :) http://www.savannaenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/yard_2-1000x6671-1000x667.jpg
15:51<andythenorth>same type of building :)
15:52<dpk>hmm
15:53<@Alberth>supplies supplier :)
15:54<dpk>Versorgungsversorger
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16:25<andythenorth>https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1263/5139186495_9c8f8185ee_b.jpg
16:25<@Alberth>ha :)
16:25<@Alberth>gn
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16:51<@planetmaker>dpk, are you a translator, signed-up on the DevZone?
16:51<dpk>yes
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16:51<@planetmaker>oh... problems with translation service? Does it still persist?
16:52<dpk>no? no problems
16:52<@planetmaker>ok :)
16:52<dpk>i was unsure about some German translations
16:52<@planetmaker>just reading diagonal through backlog
16:52<dpk>uncertainty persists, though i did submit "Landmaschinenhandel" for "Supply Yard"
16:53<dpk>which i might still change
16:53<@planetmaker>I think it's a reasonable translation
16:53<@planetmaker>farm supplies, yes?
16:53<@planetmaker>otherwise just "Landhandel"
16:53<dpk>well, not just farm supplies, is the point
16:53<@planetmaker>thinking of Raiffeisen & Co...
16:54<dpk>could be machinery for other things
16:54<@planetmaker>well... Landmaschinen is a broad range of machinery :)
16:55<dpk>the main remaining difficulty is "pyrite" and "pyrite smelter" in particular
16:56<@planetmaker>I still think that pyrite is just a special form for iron ore
16:58<dpk>"Pyritschmelzhütte" was my original idea. Google gives nothing though
16:59<@planetmaker>However I'd not become too inventive there. I'd translate it with "Pyrit" and the industry...
16:59<@planetmaker>... difficult to come up with something which really makes sense IMHO
17:02<@planetmaker>if it's modern, it still would be a 'Hochofen', if not that new, it might just be a 'Hütte' - but that sounds strange
17:02<@planetmaker>maybe just Schmelzofen?
17:03<dpk>"Schmelzerei" was another one linguee.de suggested
17:04<@planetmaker>I go by reading the wiki articles and similar which describe the processes instead of using a dictionary :)
17:04<dpk>but tellingly, there are no instances of the word "pyrite" in connection with the word "smelt" anywhere in their EN–DE bilingual corpus …
17:05<@planetmaker>I'm not surprised. You'd need a technical dictionary for those, I recon
17:06<dpk>for which i found https://books.google.de/books?id=SqKzBgAAQBAJ, but nothing useful there even
17:06<@planetmaker>and technically a smelter doesn't care whether you add pyrite or another metal ore
17:06<@planetmaker>that link is 404
17:06<dpk>https://books.google.de/books?id=SqKzBgAAQBAJ
17:06<dpk>probably included the comma
17:06<@planetmaker>ah, comma, yes, thx
17:07<@planetmaker>well. As said, I can recommend to not try an exact translation but to use a word which occurs in the processes being mimiced by that industry
17:07<@planetmaker>it helped me with some other industries, too. Especially the supply-producing ones :)
17:09<@planetmaker>https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallurgie#Ofentechnik ... I think "Schmelzofen" seems still fine as it doesn't suggest an (advanced) 'Hochofen'
17:11<dpk>"Pyritschmelzofen"? it doesn't accept other forms of ore
17:12<@planetmaker>it doesn't matter. There is no other ore
17:13<@planetmaker>oh, there is. Bauxite
17:13<dpk>and Iron Ore
17:14<@planetmaker>doesn't show in the arctic economy. And that's where it's only used
17:14<dpk>Bauxite isn't such a problem, since it's refined by electrolysis
17:14<dpk>oh, really? hmm
17:14<dpk>interesting
17:14<@planetmaker>I needed to check, too: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html#arctic_basic
17:15<dpk>oh hang on
17:15<dpk>what's pyrite ore?
17:15<dpk>should i just call it pyrite?
17:15<@planetmaker>Pyrit. Or Schwefelkies
17:15<dpk>right
17:16<@planetmaker>which basically is iron sulfide ore
17:16<@planetmaker>with various other additions, sometimes found with some copper included, too
17:19<dpk>okay, done. check out the pyrite strings https://translator.openttdcoop.org/translation/firs/de_DE
17:19<dpk>oh, whoops
17:19*dpk fixes a misspelling
17:21<@planetmaker>looks fine to me
17:22<@planetmaker>I'm currently thinking whether we actually should go for the common name of "Schwefelkies" rather than the more technical name of "Pyrit"
17:22<@planetmaker>As it also explains why you get both, metal and sufur (chemicals)
17:23<dpk>i was originally stuck between Pyrit and Eisenkies
17:23<@planetmaker>"Pyrit, auch als Schwefelkies, Eisenkies, Katzengold oder Narrengold bekannt..."
17:24<dpk>Pyrit is Hkk 20, Schwefelkies "keine Ergebnisse gefunden" (?), Eisenkies Hkk 22 on http://wortschatz.uni-leipzig.de/
17:25<dpk>(lower Hkk = more frequent, hence probably more likely to be understood)
17:26<@planetmaker>interesting. Agreed
17:26<@planetmaker>I shall bookmark that link :)
17:27<@planetmaker>and Pyrit is Hkk 20. So stay with Pyrit probably
17:29<Eddi|zuHause>i have never heard "schwefelkies" before
17:29<@planetmaker>me neither.
17:29<@planetmaker>tbh I doubt many people ran accross Pyrit or Eisenkies before either
17:30<Eddi|zuHause>i've definitely heard about Pyrit and Katzengold
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17:32<@planetmaker>Katzengold is the most common word for it ;) But I find it wrong to use in this context
17:32<dpk>yeah, i wouldn't use that
17:32<dpk>i assume it's like "fool's gold" in English
17:33<dpk>well-known, but very informal name
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17:37<@planetmaker>yes
17:37<@planetmaker>As a child I knew already what Katzengold looks like; and probably many children do
17:37<@planetmaker>but it was only during my studies that I ran across Pyrit
17:38<Eddi|zuHause>i learned about both in school chemistry
17:38<Eddi|zuHause>probably at the same time
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