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---Logopened Thu Jan 14 00:00:04 2016
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05:31<dihedral>i spot a yori ck
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05:33<dihedral>hey sir
05:38<__ln__>sir Wolf the 01st
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05:46<__ln__>also hello dihedral
05:46<dihedral>and a "hello" back to you
05:47<dihedral>strange silence in here
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05:55<Eddi|zuHause>that's pretty common this time of day
06:03<dihedral>what a lazy lot
06:04<argoneus>good morning train amigos
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06:09<__ln__>amigos de trenes
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06:15<Eddi|zuHause>i don't want any tears
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06:32<andythenorth>new logo eh? o_O
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07:19<dihedral>i see QH HD in the logo :-D
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07:32<Wolf01>I don't like it too
07:33<Wolf01>but my opinion doesn't count, I don't have taste in graphics
07:34<andythenorth>when it comes to logo design, the non-literate opinion counts as much as the literate
07:34<andythenorth>as a logo has to be consumed by everyone
07:35<andythenorth>and not just those who get why it’s smart or clever
07:47<Wolf01>the only thing I can like, somewhat, is the story behind the TT rotation, but it doesn't look good in the final logo
07:49<@planetmaker>I like the idea. But the result is ... well, not entirely convincing, I think
07:50<@planetmaker>though tbh, our current logo certainly is not a nice one either
07:50<@peter1138>oh for fucks sake
07:50<@peter1138>alan rickman now
07:51<andythenorth>coming to us all
07:51*andythenorth cheery
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08:00<Hydros>hey, I'm in an out, mostly out today, I posted the logo thing.
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08:00<Hydros>Yeah, I'm an outsider now and there's nothing in it that any of you can identify with so that's going to make it very hard to relate to.
08:01<andythenorth>I like the process + the thinking
08:01<Hydros>It can be viewed as "something generic" that has a certain quality in appearance, at best. And at this stage, and the current situation, that can be good enough. However...
08:01<Hydros>whatever ideas anyone has, everything can be incorporated into the next stage. Everything.
08:01<Wolf01><peter1138> alan rickman now <- what? when? where?
08:02<andythenorth>I think there are good choices, but the final form is distorted because the idea about the Ts is too clever to work :D
08:02<Hydros>andythenorth, cheers mate glad to hear.
08:02<Hydros>haha maybe.
08:03<andythenorth>the current logo has some irony
08:03<andythenorth>a big $ sign
08:03<Hydros>the current logo is the original TTD logo
08:03<andythenorth>when actually, money is the least interesting objective in the game
08:03<Hydros>yeah, game is about efficiency, optimisation, good planning, cleverness.
08:04<andythenorth>original logo looks like 30 mins work
08:04<@peter1138>etc etc
08:04<andythenorth>probably 25 mins of that was rejecting stupid ideas from managers
08:04<Hydros>for a pro designer, 30 seconds work :)
08:04<Hydros>have you seen the original TTD logo from 94?
08:04<andythenorth>looking at it now
08:04<Hydros>note the square diamond with dollar sign in the corner...
08:05<andythenorth>I was looking at
08:05<Hydros>and the art deco clipart which is actually coolish...
08:05<Hydros>but it just looks so outdated more than anything
08:05<Hydros>the fun thing about OpenTTD is while it's an old idea, it's still fresh.
08:05<Hydros>ooh haven't seen that box
08:05<Wolf01>peter1138 :(
08:06<andythenorth>ha ha
08:06*andythenorth can remember when ‘CD-ROM’ on a box was a sign of something totally modern, fast and exciting
08:06<Hydros>oh really, RIP alan rickman.
08:06<andythenorth>I bought a CD this week, don’t even have an optical drive
08:07<Hydros>I haven't touched a CD in a long time
08:07<Hydros>must be years now
08:07<andythenorth>some random electronica is only available on CD
08:07<andythenorth>or vinyl
08:07<andythenorth>‘vinyl for quality’
08:08<Hydros>why on CD, that doesn't make sense
08:08<Hydros>forced retro? for hipster fans?
08:08<andythenorth>awkward squad
08:08<andythenorth>this is the KLF and 808 State
08:08<andythenorth>they are not famed for being easy
08:08<Hydros>vinyl is analogue, that makes sense, but CD really doesn't.
08:09<Hydros>yeah, I know'em
08:09<andythenorth>despite that it’s all midi loops, someone will insist ‘vinyl is more real' :P
08:09<Hydros>yeah I forgot, hipsters can't use non-apple devices probably
08:10<Hydros>there was this great article I read on luxury, the price of things, something like that
08:10<Hydros>you know people love messing with gourmet critics or sommeliers tasting wines etc
08:10<Hydros>they give'em cheap wines or same wines or they give food critics a mcdonalds burger and say it's some organic something and laugh at the stuff they come up with
08:11<Hydros>well there was a comprehensive fMRI supported study checking people experiencing pleasure when they believed the wine they're drinking is actually more expensive. Even though that was a trick, their brains lit up more on the fmri
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08:12<Hydros>go figure
08:12<Hydros>I'll be back later, cheers
08:32<Eddi|zuHause>sure. what you believe totally matters. placebo effect and all.
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08:46<andythenorth>does the placebo effect work if you don’t believe in it?
08:46*andythenorth wonders
08:46<andythenorth>also nocebo is quite interesting
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08:51<Eddi|zuHause>studies have shown that the placebo effect works better on people that are more educated
08:51<Eddi|zuHause>also, injections work better than pills
08:52<Eddi|zuHause>and it works better if a higher ranked doctor applies it
08:52<dihedral>studies have shown that 9 out of 10 people do not have issues with mobbing
08:53<Eddi|zuHause>less well studied is the effect of placebo surgeries, but the few data there is suggest it's even more effective than injections
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09:01<andythenorth>I would recommend placebo tooth extractions
09:01<andythenorth>or leeches
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09:19<Wolf01>please, stop?
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10:36<dihedral>uh - a Belugas
10:36<dihedral>happy new year to you sir
10:37<@peter1138>if only it was
10:38<dihedral>oh dear - what's this now? someone needing an outlet for some misery?
10:39<dihedral>well - could actually be really aweful - I agree, depending on the circumstance...
10:42<@Belugas>hello dihedral :)
10:43<@Belugas>I guess the sad note of the year not starting well is related to the death of David Bowie.
10:43<@Belugas>either way, happy hea year to you too, dihedral :)
10:44<dihedral>well, I could imagine worse things
10:44<dihedral>thanks :-)
10:44<dihedral>how you keeping up?
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10:44<@Belugas>Lemmy Killmister is dead too... 70 years
10:44<@Belugas>Motorhead is therefor dead too
10:45<@Belugas>I'm fine, thanks! Enjoying what i can, of course. And you?
10:47<dihedral>doing well, enjoying life myself
11:05<Xaroth>sup Belugas, dihedral
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11:49<V453000>how do I guess at least roughly offsets for bridge pillars?
11:49<V453000>because I loaded them with some various random offsets, and I simply cannot see themn
11:49<V453000>ye nvm
11:54<V453000>... the sprite was obviously empty...
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12:12<Eddi|zuHause>if my changes don't show up, i usually check whether i'm compiling the right file
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12:20<Wolf01>somebody knows a multiplatform app (windows/ios/android) which can share a drawing board? Something like the old netmeeting
12:21<andythenorth>no, although if you find a good one, let me know
12:21<Wolf01>I think I'll have to write one :/
12:22<V453000>yeah Eddi, I just for some reason assumed my render sequence is ok :P
12:22<V453000>not the best thing
12:23<Wolf01>too bad I can't run a node.js server on my nas
12:24<andythenorth>is it? o_O
12:38<Taede>can you run a virtual machine on your nas?
12:39<Wolf01>no, I must root it before, but I don't want to brick it
12:40<andythenorth>if you run node.js correctly, *everyone* will be able to run stuff on your NAS
12:40<@Alberth>it's probably not secure anyway :p
12:41<Wolf01>good to know
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12:59<Eddi|zuHause>Wolf01: use one of those games where you draw something and the other people have to guess what it is? :p
12:59<Wolf01>I need for something more useful, maybe with layers too
13:00<Wolf01>or at least the ability to delete/move/resize a shape
13:01<Wolf01>netmeeting was good for this
13:01<Wolf01>also everyone must be able to draw
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13:15<V453000>oh fucking christ I did not realize the game forces me to use a pre-defined distance between bridge pillars
13:16<supermop>newbridges spec would be nice
13:16<supermop>but wouldn't help you with a base set
13:16<V453000>I am only using base set stuff yeah
13:17<V453000>having newgrf abilities would help insane much with bridge graphics XD
13:17<V453000>but yeah, limitations I want to remain obeying
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27498 trunk/src/lang/greek.txt (2016-01-14 19:45:35 +0100 )
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from Eints:
13:45<@DorpsGek>greek: 11 changes by Ferrum
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15:04<andythenorth>cooking cat
15:16<frosch123>juicycat? original filtered cat juice?
15:19*andythenorth wonders
15:22*andythenorth looks for pencil
15:22<andythenorth>this Pyrite Smelter, nobody has drawn it yet :(
15:28*peter1138 looks for cargo
15:30*andythenorth finds baby fish
15:30<andythenorth>also peter1138 in important family news, my brother just sms-ed me to say that the Acorn A3000 boots and runs ok
15:30<andythenorth>do I want it, or should he eBay it?
15:31<andythenorth>chocks away disk is ok, but the mission disk is AWOL
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15:50<alluke>is it possible to get ottd into steam? :P
15:57<Wolf01>it's easy:
15:57<@Alberth>take out your hard disk, cook water, put harddisk into escaping steam, done
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16:00<andythenorth>then eat the kangaroo
16:00<andythenorth>that joke probably doesn’t travel well
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17:06<Wolf01>Eddi|zuHause, lol
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17:15<Taede>thats a big candle
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18:13<Eddi|zuHause>Wolf01: if only the game actually ran that smoothly with such a rocket :p
18:14<argoneus>it does if you aren't on a patato
18:14<Eddi|zuHause>i think my radeon hd 7750 counts as "potato" then
18:16<argoneus>it does
18:16<argoneus>it's like lower-middle class
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19:13<Eddi|zuHause>argoneus: yeah, i didn't feel like paying 300€ for a card...
19:14<Eddi|zuHause>so i took this one which was something like 100€
19:14<argoneus>Eddi|zuHause: well you can't expect a 4 year old $100 card to be good
19:14<argoneus>KSP isn't very well optimized
19:14<argoneus>and I'd assume it's more your CPU than GPU when it lags
19:15<Eddi|zuHause>well, it was a major step up from my previous one, which was an onboard 4xxx
19:15<Eddi|zuHause>my cpu is quite alright, though
19:15<argoneus>what's your cpu?
19:16<Eddi|zuHause>well, it's also 5 years old now
19:16<Eddi|zuHause>was a phenom II x6 dunnoexactly
19:17<argoneus>ugh, amd
19:17<Eddi|zuHause>Phenom II X6 1055T 6x2.8GHz
19:18<Eddi|zuHause>it was certainly more expensive than the gpu :p
19:18<argoneus>the phenom single core performance isn't amazing
19:18<argoneus>I had a 960T myself
19:18<argoneus>now I have a haswell i5 and it's night and day
19:18<argoneus>granted it was a bit more expensive
19:19<argoneus>AMD sucks at cpu heavy games (read: shitty optimization and bad threading)
19:19<argoneus>it also sucks at emulation
19:22<argoneus>Eddi|zuHause: it's fairly worth it to invest in GPUs though
19:22<argoneus>if you buy the current middle-highend for $350, you can sell it a year later for like $250
19:22<argoneus>and buy another $350
19:22<Eddi|zuHause>that sounds like way too much hassle
19:23<argoneus>(it is)
19:23<argoneus>I'm happy with my GTX 770 atm
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20:08<supermop>my cpu is now 6 years old
20:20<Eddi|zuHause>you need to send it to school then
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20:32<supermop>drinking kolsch out of a tiny glass as intended here
20:32<supermop>was the only good option for filling up my growler this week
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20:35<Eddi|zuHause>poor thing.
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