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00:37<Supercheese>I hope people aren't taking this whole "new logo" business seriously
00:38<Supercheese>it's getting out of hand
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01:29<tt_johannes>I just added some train stations twice (directly after another) in one order, and the train seems to make a turnaround at the station
01:29<tt_johannes>It looks like the train drives to the right end of the station, stops there for passengers, then turns, drives to the left end, stops for passengers, then goes on
01:37<Supercheese>well, why would you duplicate the order?
01:57<tt_johannes>Supercheese: when I started with openttd, I made order like A->B->C->B->A
01:58<Supercheese>you should just be able to do A>B>C>B
01:58<tt_johannes>but I did not know how it was programmed :P
01:59<tt_johannes>so probably all my trains did a useless turnaround...
01:59<Supercheese>quite possibly
01:59<tt_johannes>or no not useless, but they stopped once again after their turnaround
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04:24*andythenorth just had an evil idea for industries
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04:25<DDR>Man, what a cliffhanger.
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06:25<@peter1138>so i just started firefox and it's already 19GB virtual...
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06:41<@peter1138>well, at least i have 16GB ram now...
06:42<V453000>am confused
06:42<V453000>can 4/8 vehicle be dual-headed?
06:43<@peter1138>can't anything?
06:43<V453000>I just knew that articulated can't be dual-headed, which confused me
06:43<V453000>so yeah :D
06:44<@peter1138>length should be irrelevant
06:44<V453000>yes exactly
06:45*V453000 will make a 4/8 train set
06:47<V453000>cute wagons rule
06:49<argoneus>5/7 train set
06:58<@peter1138>apocalypse in 9/8 set
07:00<Eddi|zuHause>12/8 is a great wagon length
07:15<V453000>writing down cargoes for wagons
07:15<V453000>phosphate, pyrite, cassava, nuts, manganese, petroleum fuels, edible oil
07:15<V453000>fuck all of those
07:15<V453000>and add sugar beet, sugar cane and general sugar XD
07:15<V453000>I really wonder how do I draw those XD
07:17<@peter1138>-rw-r--r-- 1 petern petern 15203 Jun 13 2007 opengl.diff
07:17<@peter1138>wonder if that will still apply...
07:19<Eddi|zuHause>was that before or after the c++ move? :p
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07:45<@peter1138>2007 is before i think
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10:42<Wolf01>bah, this "hero" is frustrating, I could sacrifice everything for a bit of fire protection but I think I'll restart the season with a mage instead :|
10:52<argoneus>are you playing diablo or what
10:52<argoneus>which hero
10:53<Wolf01>the monk
10:53<argoneus>monk was great last season
10:53<Wolf01>I changed all the abilities, the equip and the allies, still I die with purple named enemies :|
10:53<argoneus>do you have a 6set
10:55<Wolf01>no, I have just yellow pieces because even the legendary items are crap and for >5 levels below mine
10:55<argoneus>the game begins when you hit 70
10:55<argoneus>until then the class doesn't matter
10:55<argoneus>you can get to 70 easily in like 2 hours
10:55<argoneus>and if someone boosts you then 10 min
10:57<V453000>I seriously hate all the "get to lvl70 in 2 hours" ... you just need this huge ass gem, this legendary crown, this legendary bracer, ...
10:57<Wolf01>uhm, I'm playing in master difficulty, and I took 5 days to get to 68
10:57<V453000>you get to lvl70 fatest on Hard I think, or somewhere rather easy
10:57<Wolf01>and NOW, I'm dying every 2 meters
10:58<Wolf01>even Diablo itself was easy
10:58<Wolf01>the act V is the death
10:58<V453000>idk when I wanted to level up, I just played the bounties and rifts
10:58<V453000>not the story
10:58<V453000>you can continue the story at lvl 70 if you feel like it :>
10:59<Wolf01>I needed the story for the achievements, every time I miss this and that, so every time I make a new hero I play the story and try to get the missing bits
11:02<argoneus>hard is the best for levelling
11:02<argoneus>and when you kill leoric and get his crown
11:02<argoneus>put an xp gem in it
11:02<argoneus>not sure if that still works
11:03<V453000>I think it does
11:03<argoneus>basically last season we were 4 friends playing
11:03<argoneus>and we all got the crown and put an xp gem in it
11:03<argoneus>we got to like paragon 100 on first day
11:03<argoneus>which is still much slower than what you can do
11:03<Wolf01>I have 3 friends to play with, but they don't play :|
11:03<argoneus>i remember there being paragon 700 on like the 3rd day
11:04<Wolf01>also they like more exploring the whole map instead of doing quests
11:05<argoneus>V453000: I thought you were a fan of minmaxing games
11:09<argoneus>V453000: getting the best results/stats possible
11:09<V453000>I don't class games like you probably
11:09<argoneus>oh wait
11:10<argoneus>you don't hate getting to 70 in 2 hours
11:10<argoneus>you hate that it's RNG
11:10<argoneus>I misread
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11:11<V453000>no I hate that the "guides" how to get to lvl70 usually imply that you first farmed a certain amount of things at lvl70 before you even begin
11:11<argoneus>guides I've read assumed a fresh season
11:11<argoneus>after a while you can just ask people to boost you
11:11<V453000>like boon of the hoarder and the xp giving bracer for gold picked up, leoric crown with maxlvl ruby, ...
11:12<V453000>new season is something else ;)
11:12<argoneus>if i come to a season late I just ask a random guy on my friendslist to boost me
11:12<argoneus>in return I boost people when they ask me
11:12<argoneus>seems to work well :P
11:13<V453000>regardless, I love Diablo 3, the reaper of souls had some seriously awesome patches, made the game super good. The only thing I really hated about the reaper of souls is barely any campaign story, no cinematics (not even ending cinematic), which felt like a ripoff ... but the gameplay patches are great
11:13<V453000>idk how it is going now with the 2.4 or whatever version there is atm
11:13<V453000>but the loot 2.0, greater rifts, ... etc, great shit
11:14<V453000>it is fucking blizzard, the story in diablo 3 was great
11:14<V453000>I know, people who play it for 19347 hours play it cause grind more shit m8
11:14<argoneus>I usually go straight to bounties after leoric
11:15<V453000>I think I got as far as a T6 capable mage, but then got bored
11:15<argoneus>last season I had a T8 capable barb
11:15<argoneus>turns out
11:15<argoneus>holding the whirlwind button for the entire dungeon is not very fun
11:15<argoneus>while mashing 12341234 for all the shouts
11:15<argoneus>i can still hear it in my head
11:15<argoneus>just a spinning guy with tornadoes flying around
11:15<argoneus>and going
11:16<argoneus>very fun
11:16<V453000>same happens for every class, it is just a huge ass grind
11:16<V453000>well executed grind, but still grind
11:16<argoneus>also I don't like that the game kinda forces you to play the game a certain way
11:16<argoneus>your character is shit, can't clear anything
11:16<argoneus>you equip 6set
11:16<V453000>certain way - kill shit? :D
11:16<argoneus>suddenly you can clear T6 easily
11:16<argoneus>but as it turns out
11:16<argoneus>your set isn't very good the current season
11:17<argoneus>so you peak at T8
11:17<argoneus>even with legendaries
11:17<argoneus>and you need to reroll
11:17<V453000>well yeah, kind of, but the fucking cube opens up some options
11:17<argoneus>I don't remember fucking the cube
11:17<argoneus>but it was pretty useful
11:17<argoneus>the cube was fucking me most of the time
11:17<argoneus>no wait, that was kadala
11:17<argoneus>she had a huge dildo
11:18<argoneus>I gave her money and she gave me blue trash
11:18<argoneus>I remember farming a set for my barbarian
11:18<argoneus>and through all the kadala gambling
11:18<argoneus>I got 8 items from the other set I didn't want
11:18<argoneus>and like 1 from the one I wanted
11:18<argoneus>it was great
11:21<V453000>anybody remembers what pikka basic industries use fuel oil as label?
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11:27<V453000>I fucking hate ECS and how you have to put 10234239 NewGRFs together for it to be "complete"
11:27<V453000>viva la FIRS
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27504 trunk/src/lang/catalan.txt (2016-01-25 19:45:36 +0100 )
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from Eints:
13:45<@DorpsGek>catalan: 3 changes by juanjo
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14:03<V453000>[13:15] <V453000> writing down cargoes for wagons [13:15] <V453000> phosphate, pyrite, cassava, nuts, manganese, petroleum fuels, edible oil [13:15] <V453000> coffee [13:15] <V453000> fuck all of those [13:15] <V453000> and add sugar beet, sugar cane and general sugar XD [13:15] <V453000> srsly [13:15] <V453000> beans? [13:15] <V453000> I really wonder how do I draw those XD
14:03<V453000>btw cargo Glass not used anywhere?
14:05<andythenorth>V453000: nuts you can draw
14:05<andythenorth>do like a yeti, but giant squirrels, holding one nut each
14:05<V453000>yes, something like that
14:05<andythenorth>edible oil = yellow liquid
14:05<V453000>what is sugar cane and sugar beet?
14:05<V453000>stuff that produces sugar?
14:05<V453000>difference is?
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14:06<andythenorth>sugar cane
14:08<andythenorth>sugar beet
14:08<V453000>but difference of them on a hopper?
14:08<V453000>guess beet has no green bits
14:08<V453000>while cane has shitload of green
14:09<andythenorth>beets is just brown stuff
14:09<andythenorth>cane is massive piles of things, like troll hair
14:09<andythenorth>phosphate is white stuff, pyrite is brown stuff
14:09<andythenorth>cassava is big sugar beet
14:09<andythenorth>manganese is dark grey stuff
14:09<V453000>yes excellent
14:09<andythenorth>coffee is in sacks
14:09<andythenorth>beans, wtf
14:10<andythenorth>“welcome to my world”
14:10<andythenorth>automated recolouring of bulk cargo, and a tarpaulin over anything I don’t want to draw
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14:10<V453000>why make such ridiculous cargoes then :P
14:10<andythenorth>I do have to do the CHIPS cargos :(
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14:10<andythenorth>I am happy enough that the words are different tbh
14:11<V453000>remoov em
14:11<V453000>\o/ everybody happy
14:11<V453000>players won't even notice :P
14:11<V453000>nah let's draw it
14:11<andythenorth>might as well?
14:11<andythenorth>keeps things moving?
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14:12<andythenorth>petrol is white liquid? clear? Purple-ish?
14:12<V453000>I have petrol yellowy
14:12<V453000>petroleum fuels brownish?
14:12<andythenorth>petroleum fuels are just petrol, with added wavey hands
14:12<V453000>edible oil yellowy as well, but less "toxic yellow"
14:12<andythenorth>cos it might be diesel or whatever
14:13<V453000>fair point
14:13<andythenorth>diesel was clear, last time I spilt it
14:13<V453000>might as well make petrol == petroleum fuels
14:13<andythenorth>same cargo label, I just fucked with the name, because in EN UK it makes more sense
14:13<andythenorth>nobody files bug reports that cement kilns don’t run on petrol
14:14<andythenorth>or that dump trucks don’t run on petrol
14:14<V453000>oh, cargo label is what matters to me
14:14<andythenorth>label is PETR
14:14<V453000>RFPR is chemicals
14:14<andythenorth>which is daft, but historical reasons
14:14<andythenorth>whisky can also be refined :P
14:14<andythenorth>and molasses
14:15<andythenorth>I didn’t add Precious Metals, Gemstones or Explosives :P
14:15<andythenorth>considered them :P
14:16<andythenorth>also contraband, fast food, used banknotes
14:16<andythenorth>or stolen intellectual property, or state secrets
14:16<andythenorth>or fake state secrets
14:17<V453000>putting together a list of cargoes my new train set will support
14:17<V453000>list is fucklong
14:17<V453000>also putting together all combinations of cargoes visible at a time to identify what I actually need
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14:19<andythenorth>probably some cargos should be incompatible
14:19<andythenorth>like the dog-chicken-grain problem
14:19<V453000>what do you mean
14:19<V453000>hy Terkhen
14:21<andythenorth>hola Terkhen
14:21<andythenorth>like Yeti on a food train
14:21<andythenorth>cargo should disappear en route
14:21<V453000>not graphical problem so I will leave that out for now if you don't mind
14:21<andythenorth>maybe in v2
14:21<andythenorth>you need sprites for ‘Eating Yeti'
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14:40<Wolf01>meh, this season look difficult, one quest required T4 to be completed :|
14:56<V453000>I think I got all wagon/cargo colours figured out andythenorth :)
15:05<andythenorth>the roof slope and the arch are also wrong in that sprite
15:05<andythenorth>but I don’t want to post a wall of text :P
15:06<V453000>wat sprite
15:07<supermop>yo yo yo
15:07<supermop>neon cheaper than i thought
15:07<andythenorth>V453000: that ECS vehicle factory
15:07<andythenorth>or such
15:13<@Alberth>pimp sprite thingie
15:14<V453000>my elaborate opinion
15:19<andythenorth>oh wt
15:20<andythenorth>what haz u don
15:20*andythenorth has typing problems :(
15:21<andythenorth>V453000: every time I change FIRS I ruin your nice graphic :(
15:21<frosch123>andythenorth: V learns scripting
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15:22<frosch123>so he can just setup a set of 16M cargo sprites with different colorus
15:22<frosch123>and let you pick from it
15:22<andythenorth>16M is not enough
15:22<V453000>outside = colour of wagon, inside = colour of cargo
15:23<frosch123>well, actuall,y how many pixels of a normal zoom wagon are associated to the cargo?
15:23<V453000>andythenorth: yes, whenever you change your shit you can break some visual compatibilities
15:23<V453000>frosch123: idk this is just a thing to figure out colours
15:23<andythenorth>can’t you just script your set from FIRS?
15:23<andythenorth>I can generate json if you want :P
15:23<V453000>no because the colours aren't just FIRS
15:23<V453000>wagon colours are most important to me
15:23<andythenorth>there are other sets?
15:24<V453000>original ,ogffx+, ecs, pikka's shit, yeti
15:24<andythenorth>I played PBI once
15:24<andythenorth>more than once
15:24<andythenorth>many times
15:24<V453000>the wagon colours are important because I don't want 2 same wagon colours in any configuration of any industry set
15:24<V453000>per type ... there can be two grey if one is flatbed and one is hopper
15:24<V453000>plus wood gets stakes, etc
15:25<V453000>in other words, if you do terrible shit, I still have some room to fix things
15:25<V453000>but if you do very terrible shit, your industries will just play worse with my train sets
15:25<V453000>anyway, got to go
15:25<V453000>cya later
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16:34<@Terkhen>Good night
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