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03:11<dihedral>good morning
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04:27<lastmikoi>V453000: just saw your screenshots, this is completely stunning
04:28<V453000>:) that is very nice to hear
04:30<lastmikoi>my opinion might be biased by the fact that I never saw high-resolution graphics on openttd :p, but I love the attention to the details nevertheless
04:31<V453000>well, high-resolution graphics for openttd don't really exist, that is the problem
04:31<V453000>zbase does but it is just ugly looking
04:32<lastmikoi>so you're basically the first ?
04:32<Supercheese>Pikka has some nice stuff too, but his baseset didn't meet the kickstarter goal
04:33<V453000>well first ... not exactly, but I do believe that nobody has yet brought a full zoom replacement set to as much of a progress as I am doing so far ... but my focus isnt on being the first, but to have it really nice looking and working for gameplay
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04:34<V453000>Pikka indeed does some good stuff, but only trains of his are available, and he neglects the facts of projection by not caring about vehicles on diagonals, which I think is a big shame ... not mentioning missing 8bpp
04:34<lastmikoi>V453000: from the look of it you're going to achieve both feats
04:34<V453000>I sure as hell hope so
04:34<V453000>I already released RAWR, my previous attempt
04:34<lastmikoi>Supercheese: there was a kickstarter ? It has been a *long* while since I've checked on openttd
04:35<V453000>but I didn't like it, it had many problems, and it was lacking proper visual concept
04:35<V453000>hence BRIX now
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04:35<V453000>my approach is that stuff which I release, will be very final, so the quality requirements are higher and it helps me stay motivated because I can be proud of my project
04:35<V453000>because I sincerely believe it is good
04:36<V453000>RAWR started falling into a point where I can't say that
04:41<lastmikoi>a project of this scale sure requires motivation, glad to hear that you've taken a sane approach to managing this resource :)
04:52<V453000>it is tough, yes. Unimaginably tough ... but step by step it is alright ... I find that having a trello board with small tasks helps a ton
04:52<V453000>over time the small tasks just disappear :)
04:52<V453000>one has to accept that rome just wasn't built in a day
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04:53<lastmikoi>yeah, I stumbled upon it by duckduckgoing BRIX (first result actually), it's an awesome tool
04:54<V453000>what :D
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05:39<Wolf01> "safe enough"
05:42<Eddi|zuHause>the real wtf(tm) is that it has the germany flag on it
05:48<V453000>nice nuf
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05:59<argoneus>good morning train friends
06:15<argoneus>V453000 I bet you aren't even a train friend
06:15<argoneus>I bet you don't even know how to make trains
06:28<Wolf01>pfffff, what I'm grinding at T4 if I can only find crap items?
06:28<Wolf01>let's try T6
06:32<Wolf01>lol, I don't even know what killed me
06:34<Wolf01>ok, too many enemies with reflexive damage, I'm killing myself :|
06:39<Eddi|zuHause>that is usually a sign your DPS is too high
06:40<Wolf01>it is either I insta-kill them or they insta-kill me
06:40<Wolf01>it looks like a quake 3 instagib match
06:41<Wolf01>also I can kill easily yellow tier monsters but blue tier ones destroy me
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06:57<Eddi|zuHause>are blue ones the ones that come in packs?
06:58<Eddi|zuHause>you probably need to focus on defenses there for a bit
06:58<Wolf01>yes, but yellow ones have slaves too
06:59<Wolf01>and I already raised my defenses from ~300 to ~1100
06:59<Wolf01>and with the mantra I could add another 40%
07:02<Eddi|zuHause>mind you i'm talking about a game that i never played.
07:03<V453000>trane enemy til def
07:04<V453000>from what I figured from D3, you usually need some wtf combo for defense and then focus the rest on offense
07:04<V453000>I enjoyed boon of the hoarder with the belt that gives armor when you pick up gold XD
07:06<Wolf01>killed another demiboss with a little effort :| instead I must avoid blue ones
07:06<Wolf01>also I feel that this game lacks a clear indication of element damage and resistance
07:07<Wolf01>it's not possible to kill a yeti with ice and only scratch him with fire
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07:17<V453000>ofc because yetis are protected animals
07:17<V453000>thou shalt not get yeti rekt
07:19<Wolf01>and killing demons with fire because sacred does nothing?
07:21<V453000>idk when I played diablo, I don't think it mattered which element were you using
07:21<V453000>just focus on one thing and get it to do as much dmg as you can
07:21<V453000>is what worked back then
07:22<V453000>admittedly my experience with dps was that you need some retard-strong combination of items usually
07:22<V453000>like chantodos on mage was sick as hell
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08:15<andythenorth>“timber and digging machines”
08:16*andythenorth bbl
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08:17<Wolf01>so he now enter, spams and leave? ;)
08:18<V453000>yeah fuck that guy
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08:40<Eddi|zuHause>he always did that?
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10:20<V453000>make grafix for me
10:20<Wolf01>not able
10:22<V453000>learn able
10:23<Wolf01>being an artist is not a thing you learn, and if you need to just put together things you already have the computer
10:24<Eddi|zuHause>that statement is fundamentally wrong...
10:25<Eddi|zuHause>there may be an initial spark of interest or talent involved, but most of "being an artist" is hard work and learning
10:26<Wolf01>you learn techniques and refine your ability, but if you don't have any talent you don't succeed, I can copy a Picasso with enough exercise but I can't make a new one
10:27<Wolf01>and with I, I mean I, not a generic people
10:27<Eddi|zuHause>of course nobody other than picasso can make a picasso... but you could make a wolf...
10:28<Wolf01>I can copy, but if you need just to do a work which is a copy, you already have the computer, tell it what you need and for sure it does that faster than me
10:28<Eddi|zuHause>but this exact "i can't ever be the greatest person alive at this, so why even bother starting?" mentality is what kills potential artists
10:29<Eddi|zuHause>there is always a chance that you bring a new perspective to an existing problem
10:30<Wolf01>I'm not saying that, I simply don't have interest in making graphics or music, I tried and nothing satisfied me, so I put those aside
10:34<Eddi|zuHause>but this is exactly what i said: "i don't have interest/determination" is something vastly different from "i am not an artist"
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10:35<Wolf01>you are saying everyone has the potential to do everything, he just want to do it
10:36<Eddi|zuHause>well, not necessarily the same potential, but SOME potential
10:36<Wolf01>I call that potential "talent"
10:37<Wolf01>and I can tell you that I don't have enough talent to draw or compose
10:37<Eddi|zuHause>yes. i'm not denying that, but nobody has NO talent.
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10:39<Wolf01>without enough talent is like trying to move a train with a car, maybe you will make it with some conditions
10:39<Eddi|zuHause>you can easily move a train with your bare hands...
10:39<Eddi|zuHause>let alone with a car
10:39<Wolf01>yes, pushing it down hill
10:39<Wolf01>or if it is a model train
10:40<Eddi|zuHause>you just have to make sure the brakes are loose and the wheels are oiled
10:40<Eddi|zuHause>there was a guy here who could move a tram solely with a spear pointed at his throat
10:40<Wolf01>but it's still a wasted effort, you have better means to do that, like a locomotive
10:42<Eddi|zuHause>but you don't know if it will be wasted. maybe no locomotive is available and the cargo in the train is important?
10:46<V453000>I think talent is vastly overrated
10:46<V453000>and used as an excuse in exactly that context
10:46<V453000>sure, things take insane amount of effort to learn
10:47<V453000>btw modelling things like houses/trains/cars from a blueprint is nothing art related
10:47<V453000>just ability to use 3D application
10:47<V453000>when you start drawing/creating your own imagined vehicles/stuff, then it gets artsy
10:47<V453000>but even then, practice can get you very far
10:53<Wolf01>I did some technical drawing, it was boring and just "follow the instructions", I did those and at the end I was like "now what? they are nice, maybe useful, I'll get a good grade but I can't just copy every object I see"
10:56<V453000>I didn't say you personally have to :)
10:56<V453000>people like different things, yes :P
11:01<Wolf01>I'm good at reading, I like to write code (also if I'm not very talented, here again) to see things moving in the screen and I learn easily new things, I only perform well in team or doing stuff like a robot
11:01<Wolf01>that's what I am, right now
11:01<Wolf01>oh, and I really like build with lego
11:02<V453000>is this andythenorth?
11:02<V453000>lego :P
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11:03<argoneus>le come
11:03<argoneus>le go
11:04<Eddi|zuHause>le victoryy
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11:10<V453000>tbh making graphics of openttd is 90% avoiding WTF issues with sprite stuff, not creativity with models XD
11:11<Wolf01>yes, they are boxes
11:11<V453000>BUT my next train set though :P
11:11<V453000>will be creative as shit
11:11<Wolf01>weren't others?
11:12<@peter1138>is openttd 2 completed yet?
11:14<argoneus>yeah just need to fix some bugs
11:14<argoneus>it's proprietary though sorry
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11:35<V453000>Wolf01: not enough :P
11:35<V453000>most of my graphics lack details, they are just a general shape
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12:30<Eddi|zuHause>there's always room for improvement...
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14:18<Wolf01> meh
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14:20<andythenorth>what did I miss?
14:21<Wolf01>a discussion about artist talent
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14:23*andythenorth is tempted to troll
14:25<@Alberth>make a traditional economy :p
14:26<@Alberth>wood coal oil
14:26<@Alberth>iron ore
14:27<@Alberth>perhaps call it realistic economy?
14:27<Wolf01>old west economy, but needs a baseset too
14:27<andythenorth>I could make the original TTD economies
14:28<andythenorth>those weren’t the things I was tempted to troll :P
14:28<andythenorth>I was going to troll V453000 and Wolf01
14:28<andythenorth>about art
14:28<Wolf01>bah, I understand nothing about art, I don't have that talent, so you are welcome ;)
14:30<Wolf01>and I'm bored again
14:31<andythenorth>ho, the Gold Rush thread
14:31<andythenorth>yair lock that
14:31<andythenorth>why not
14:33<andythenorth>I can’t see that being anything other than demotivating to Bad Brett
14:33<andythenorth>locked; reason: culture of entitlement drives destroys incentive to make things
14:35<Wolf01>I'll browse youtube for other strange trains collections
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14:41<Eddi|zuHause>seems the dutch are contageous. the city of Kleve now wants to adopt the system of rounding to 5¢ to avoid handling 1¢ and 2¢ coins
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15:19<Wolf01> I could look at this for the rest of the evening
15:25*andythenorth watches
15:25<andythenorth>that’s 17m 50s I can spend happily
15:29<andythenorth>I used to run a palletising machine on a drinks-bottling line
15:30<andythenorth>it was remarkably similar in operation :P
15:38<Wolf01> lolwhat?
15:41<Wolf01> O_O I wouldn't even walk on that "railway" and they run a train on it
15:42<andythenorth>workers are wearing all required PPE (personal protective equipment)
15:43<Wolf01>the best part is at the end
15:45<andythenorth>when they replace the rail?
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15:48<andythenorth>health and safety is different between Europe and India
15:48<Wolf01>the last one is in Germany
15:49<andythenorth>feldbahn :)
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15:50<andythenorth>it’s shot on a long lens, which emphasises the condition of the track
15:50<andythenorth>the wheels treads are about 4x the width of a ‘normal’ rail wheel
15:50<Wolf01>yeah, I noticed that
15:51<Wolf01> ahah I'm laughing my ass off
15:51<andythenorth>seen that before :)
15:52<andythenorth>Youtube is a nice way to avoid making newgrf :)
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15:57<andythenorth>also is cat
16:00<Wolf01>cat is even more
16:01<andythenorth>not much lego news now
16:01<Wolf01>do you expect lego to show new sets every 3 days?
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16:16<andythenorth>ha no
16:16<andythenorth>usually Dokludi has reversed engineered something by now
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16:29<Wolf01>maybe he doesn't have enough spare pieces
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16:35<Wolf01>"two trains shouldn't be at the same place at the same time"
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16:38<Eddi|zuHause>that's fine, physics will always take care of that
16:39<Eddi|zuHause>(unless you have quantum trains, then it gets a bit sketchy)
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