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---Logopened Mon May 30 00:00:37 2016
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04:59<argoneus>good morning train friends
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06:47<Wolf01>I don't know if I should just make b-models of 7 technic sets, even if they are really ugly, or try the epic quest of making c-models
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07:36<andythenorth>articulated trucks are just a bad idea
07:37<andythenorth>trucks with regular trailers are much less ugly in game
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08:29<TheAmir259>How can i change the name of a client?
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08:33<TheAmir259>How can i change the name of myself in the game?
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09:52<andythenorth>@seen danmack
09:52<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: danmack was last seen in #openttd 5 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 17 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <DanMacK> @seen andythenorth
09:52<andythenorth>@seen pikka
09:52<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 7 weeks, 6 days, 22 hours, 53 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <Pikka> yes
09:57<Samu>I'm back to my ai_gui.cpp, I had an idea to avoid confusion about before/after on AI slots where the before-AI is dead
09:58<Samu>the idea is: upon clicking Accept from the list of Available AIs, delete the dead AI company
10:00<Samu>not as flexible as I intended as first, but it avoids a lot of confusion
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11:30<Wolf01> ha! another reason to not copy and paste code from the web... and not only code
11:32<Wolf01>or another valid reason to browse the web with javascript disabled
11:32<@Alberth>you needed more than one? :)
11:33<Wolf01>I only need "it's the web, beware"
11:33<Wolf01>but more reasons aren't to discard, they could always be a lesson
11:34<@Alberth>my main reason was "why do you need a turing complete scripting language for reading documents?"
11:34<Wolf01>the nice thing is that I aleady thought about this stuff to protect from copy/paste a content, replacing it with a "lorem ipsum"
11:38<Wolf01>eh, because people are too irritable and they don't want to browse white pages with black text, they want nice animations, ajax, ads... and I'm still here reading paper books
11:39<Islacrusez>people want ads? o.O
11:39<Islacrusez>news to me... I'd outlaw the damn things given half a chance
11:39<Wolf01>oh, you can't even imagine how many people click on those freaking things I only see on other computers
11:40<monsted>there's gotta be someone dumb enough to click the ads. otherwise they wouldn't exist.
11:40<monsted>same goes for scam emails
11:40<Wolf01>"you won $ 100000000000000 and a car, click here"
11:40<Islacrusez>but even legit adverts though
11:40<Wolf01>some scam emails are well done, but the ads...
11:41<Islacrusez>I don't want your shit; if I wanted it I'd have gone looking for it
11:41<monsted>the only ads i click is when i search for something on google and i don't like the company i search for, so i click their paid ad instead of their actual search result.
11:41<Wolf01>also when I worked as a technical help, people told me "he I've seen boobies and I clicked"
11:42<Islacrusez>autoplay audio/video are some of the worst... that should be harassment at best
11:42<monsted>(why the hell would you advertise on google on search results for your own name?)
11:43*Islacrusez goes back to crudely translating from German before the idea of adverts starts winding him up
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12:15<Eddi|zuHause>monsted: what kind of logic is that?
12:15<Eddi|zuHause>also, how do you still get adverts on google results?
12:20<monsted>Eddi|zuHause: adblock pro has an option to allow non-annoying ads
12:20<Eddi|zuHause>monsted: which is obviously the most evil part of adblock...
12:21<monsted>er, s/pro/plus/
12:21<monsted>it's an option. just don't enable it.
12:21<Eddi|zuHause>"hey, nice advertising business you have there. would be a shame if users couldn't see it."
12:21<Eddi|zuHause>that is precisely what the company behind adblock plus is being sued over currently.
12:22<Islacrusez>that's a bit backwards
12:22<Islacrusez>"Nice adverts you have there, we'll let users choose to show your ads"
12:22<Islacrusez>as opposed to the logical opposite of that feature which is: No ads.
12:23<Eddi|zuHause>Islacrusez: yes. "Nice restaurant you hav there. we'll let you keep it [if you pay us]"
12:23<Islacrusez>Nice restaurant you have there, we'll let you keep it if you comply with health and safety laws?
12:24<monsted>if it's being abused, i'm fine with punishing them for it. for now, i give the web sites a little handout by letting them show ads, as long as they're not annoying.
12:24<Islacrusez>last time I checked, ABP weren't running an extortion racket (unlike, say, Yelp)
12:24<Wolf01>Nice restaurant you have there, let's fix and add new features to ottd
12:25<Eddi|zuHause>for the record: i don't think there is a thing such as non-annoying ads
12:25<monsted>and if i need info about a product i don't like (say, windows 10) and microsoft runs an ad that gets me the info i need, i'll click the ad and cost them a few cents instead of clicking the normal link.
12:25<Islacrusez>if the reality is different from their claims; sue away. otherwise, make decent ads
12:26<Islacrusez>advertising has been allowed free for too long; if they didn't take such oppressive liberties previously, they wouldn't have this problem now
12:27<Islacrusez>free reign*
12:29<monsted>fortunately, i haven't signed anything saying i have to give a shit about the inane things people get upset about
12:30<Islacrusez>monsted: I think it's section 317 subsection gamma in your social contract ;)
12:31<@Alberth>some pages got lost :p
12:31<monsted>Islacrusez: if you check the archives, you'll notice that mine appears to be signed by "Santa Claws"
12:32<Islacrusez>touche on both counts
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12:36<Wolf01>V453000, hype!!!!!
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12:38<frosch123>hoi mammals :)
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12:39<Eddi|zuHause><Eddi|zuHause> man, i always remember that i wanted to show frosch when he leaves...
12:40<frosch123>i am not leaving
12:40<Wolf01>he remembers when you leave
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12:41<Wolf01>oh it started raining
12:41<Eddi|zuHause>no, because of your quit message...
12:41<Wolf01>thunders too
12:42<Wolf01>look at the size of those drops
12:42<Eddi|zuHause>drop size approaching 0...
12:42<frosch123>Wolf01: <- yesterday, not here
12:44<Wolf01>I heared about that, but I didn't look for the article... that's bad
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12:46<Ethereal_Whisper>Well, I'm screwed
12:46<Ethereal_Whisper>I don't know where else to rant about this
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13:11<_dp_>dammit, just when I finished aligning stuff I realized default font is not monospaced
13:12<_dp_>why's it so ugly then?)
13:12<Eddi|zuHause>what kind of "default" and what kind of "ugly"?
13:13<_dp_>openttd kind :p
13:16<Eddi|zuHause>and if i ask you what time it is, you say "spring"?
13:16<@Rubidium>nope, "hammer" ;)
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13:17<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, that was the other option i considered :p
13:19<_dp_>there is only one font that comes with openttd afaik
13:25<FLHerne>_dp_: Not well aliased, because of the palette?
13:25<FLHerne>And then it's really fat to compensate
13:26<Eddi|zuHause>_dp_: no, the default font depends on the base set you are using
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13:31<_dp_>Eddi|zuHause, oh, didn't think of that
13:34<_dp_>FLHerne, actually, just noticed that main reason for its terrible look is that I use double interface size
13:34<_dp_>on normal it looks kinda ok
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13:58<frosch123> <- FS#6473, this kills the AI after about 1 second of blocking ottd
13:59<frosch123>but I guess zuu is the only one with knowledge in that area
14:00<_dp_>will it kill gs either?
14:01<frosch123>if it is at fault, yes
14:05<frosch123> <- i wonder whether it is just because the towns are big
14:05<frosch123>or whether they are big and near the map border
14:12<_dp_>I'd bet on map border, otherwise it would slow down smoothly
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14:24<Samu>I made this piece of code: static int CurrentNoAIs(bool include_dead = true) { bla;bla } but I got a question
14:25<Samu>if I use it like CurrentNoAIs() , does it defauld include_dead to true?
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15:24<Samu>hmm nevermind that request
15:26<Samu>how do I synchronize a value over a network?
15:26<Samu>how to ask... hmm
15:28<Samu>it's this bug
15:28<Samu>only happens on multiplayer
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16:28<Samu>is this good english? STR_ERROR_AI_CAN_T_START_IN_MULTIPLAYER :{WHITE}Can't start AI in multiplayer game...{}Must allow AI computer players to participate in multiplayer games
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16:31<Samu>what would be the Warning Level?
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16:31<Samu>WL_ERROR, WL_WARNING, WL_INFO ? what's the most ideal one for this case?
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16:41<Samu>On second thought... screw the error message
16:41<Samu>just force enable the setting
16:42<Samu>at this point, if someone clicks a button that says "Start AI" - then he really wants an AI to start
16:42<Samu>regardless of game mode
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17:03<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r27594 trunk/src/script/api/script_list.cpp (2016-05-30 23:03:11 +0200 )
17:03<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#6473]: [Script] Kill scripts, when a non-suspendable valuator call takes way too long.
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17:25<Samu>on a third though... I need that error message, or it could potentially start more AIs without notice
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18:43<monsted>this seems relevant here,
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20:36<Samu>new version of my stuff posted
20:40<Eddi|zuHause>so... that was a panicked "help, it installed windows 10" session...
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20:44<Samu>cyas goodnight
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22:59<Flygon>Eddi: ?
23:00<Supercheese>Kamnet posting the release announcement, interesting
23:05<Eddi|zuHause>Flygon: well, a few days ago, microsoft pushed the update to loads of people, with a message like "we scheduled the automatic upgrade" without the option to cancel it from that message
23:05<Flygon>Ooooh yeah
23:05<Flygon>Yeah, I fully fucking understand :(
23:06<Eddi|zuHause>Flygon: and now my mother called me, that it did that, and she can't connect to the wifi to activate it
23:06<Flygon>I had to fix that shitfest my end too >_>
23:06<Flygon>Thank goodness for the automatic Windows 7 archive
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23:08<Eddi|zuHause>and my mother, completely technically illiterate, doesn't understand sentences like "look for a network cable and connect it"
23:09<Eddi|zuHause>and then try to tell someone over the phone how a network cable looks like...
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23:11<Flygon>Yeah, I just realized the reason you might want network up is so you can remote in...
23:11<Eddi|zuHause>not even that, just the windows activation needs online access
23:12<Eddi|zuHause>and there was apparently no button for "skip this part", like for older windows where that started a 30 day trial
23:12*Flygon headdesks
23:12<Mazur>But shirley you don't want to inflict W10 on her???
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23:13<Eddi|zuHause>well, i have not a lot of choices...
23:13<Flygon>It's possible to downgrade back to 7 or 8
23:14<Eddi|zuHause>yes, but i'm not going to do that over the phone
23:14<Flygon>Certainly not
23:14<Eddi|zuHause>and i'm also not going to drive to her at 2AM
23:15<Flygon>Hence my comments about remoting in
23:15<Eddi|zuHause>that sounds like a horrible idea...
23:16<Eddi|zuHause>all she needed was either the wifi password (which she didn't find) or a cable (which, after like half an hour of talking her into looking for it, she actually found)
23:17*Flygon nod
23:17<Flygon>I gott brb, either way...
23:17<Flygon>Shopping qucikly
23:17<Flygon>Arl be bach x3
23:17<Eddi|zuHause>it's not like she ever needed the wifi password
23:33<Eddi|zuHause>"Air by Bach" is a nice piece...
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