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04:03<Wolf01>o/
04:04<Eddi|zuHause>:( bud spencer... this is really a bad year.
04:04<Wolf01>:(
04:11<Wolf01>mmmh, it seem that you must select the 0.13 from the beta program in steam
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05:12<Wolf01>V453000, in the electric network info, "satisfaction" and "consumption" shouldn't be switched?
05:12<V453000>who the fuck renamed it at the last minute :D
05:12<Wolf01>XD
05:13<V453000>I think it should be consumption and production capacity or something
05:13<V453000>it will probably completely change soon, idk if in 0.13
05:17<V453000>are you trying the Lazy Bastard achievement?
05:17<V453000>it's quite fun
05:17<Wolf01>I'm still unsatisfied by my factory layouts, I tried serialised, parallel and parallel with serialised branches, each way has the downside of the slow production rate, but parallel at least makes possible to produce everything without starving the assembly machines downside
05:18<Wolf01>it's the one which wants you to craft at most x items manually?
05:18<V453000>yes, 111
05:19<Wolf01>I'll fail it while I'm still harvesting coal XD
05:19<V453000>well, I just make a big smelting which goes to everything through splitters so one thing doesn't get direct priority over other things
05:21<Wolf01>research faster you lazy lab, I need the advanced furnaces!
05:28<V453000>I am not even thinking about researching that now XD
05:28<V453000>but yeah actually I might, am kind of running low on coal, need moar efficiency
05:29<Wolf01>I only have 2 coal drills but the 6 furnaces for iron can't keep up with the iron ore production
05:29<V453000>then it's probably easier to get more stone furnaces but yeah :P
05:29<Wolf01>too bad I built the factory around the furnaces...
05:29<Wolf01>so I can only upgrade them
05:30<V453000>XD
05:30<Wolf01>but I'll move the entire factory soon
05:30<V453000>well you need to expand somewhere eventually anyway
05:30<V453000>oh
05:30<V453000>hm :)
05:30<V453000>kind of doing the same atm
05:30<V453000>got a nice home mess, now making the final plan
05:31<Wolf01>I usually build a bootstrap factory and then move the production to other places
05:31<V453000>I generally prefer to never ever remove old things, make them work
05:31<V453000>but this time I have a very specific idea that would be a huge pain to do especially with the no hand crafting thing
05:32<V453000>so just relocating a little
05:33<Wolf01>also I started to walling out the huge biter's nest
05:33<Wolf01>which is sitting on the oil fields :|
05:34<V453000>already had my biterwrecking run with 4 gun turrets and full pockets of bullets :)
05:34<V453000>but pollution makes them attack pretty much at the same rate they did previously now
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05:59<Wolf01>the belt filling seem to be changed a little, items coming from the sides get priority now if there is a little space
06:00<Wolf01>the result is a better compression
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08:18<Samu>hi
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09:26<supermop_>yo
09:27<Eddi|zuHause>oy
09:30<supermop_>is there much footprint of yiddish in modern german slang or idioms?
09:31<supermop_>i feel like yiddish is the main force keeping german bit in modern american english, even though no one speaks yiddish anymore
09:31<Eddi|zuHause>probably loads
09:32<supermop_>i think there is one newspaper and internet radio station left here in new york, but it has generally died out or been replaced in most communities
09:32<supermop_>and no german americans speak hoch deutsch or anything like it any more
09:32<Eddi|zuHause>do you have any statistics on that?
09:33<Eddi|zuHause>there's "pennsylvania dutch"
09:33<supermop_>sure ill see what i can round up
09:33<supermop_>yeah i was about to say
09:33<Eddi|zuHause>which i hear is a rather large group of people
09:33<supermop_>the amish speak an odd dialect of german still
09:34<supermop_>but they are very isolated from most of american culture, and definitely from the part that has absorbed yiddish terms and phrases
09:35<Wolf01>V453000, the feature to allow moving the map with mouse is really welcome :D
09:37<Eddi|zuHause>supermop_: i think most words in german that came via yiddish are not recognized as such by most german speakers, but they definitely exist
09:38<supermop_>i don't find this to be too statistically enlightening but it is kind of interesting:
09:38<supermop_>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language_in_the_United_States
09:38<supermop_>doesn't really touch on yiddish at all
09:39<supermop_>do you have a particular word for the topping that is spread onto a bagel?
09:46<Eddi|zuHause>we don't really have bagels
09:46<Wolf01>you have baggers
09:47<Eddi|zuHause>sweet stuff you put on bread rolls is sometimes called "Aufstrich", and sausage slices are called "Aufschnitt"
09:47<supermop_>ah ok
09:48<supermop_>in new york at least it would be know as schmear
09:48<supermop_>is usually a cream cheese but also be a smoked fish or vegetable topping
09:49<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, from "schmieren", but no german i know of would say that
09:50<Eddi|zuHause>you can use "schmieren" as a verb, but not as a noun. "Ich schmiere Butter aufs Brot"
09:51<supermop_>yeah
09:51<supermop_>in english it is both a verb and a noun
09:52<Eddi|zuHause>there exists "Schmiere", but that is oily stuff you apply to make gears and rods move...
09:52<Eddi|zuHause>you wouldn't eat that :p
09:53<supermop_>i am not even sure if schmear is a part of international yiddish, or just a New York slang
09:53<Eddi|zuHause>it's maybe more fatty than oily
09:54<supermop_>but americans even only dimly aware of jewish american culture would have the connotation of 'cream cheese' when hearing the word
09:54<supermop_>damn it
09:55<supermop_>why am i talking so much about bagel toppings when i skipped breakfast
09:56<Eddi|zuHause>https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Schmiere <-- knows your usage of the word [3]
09:57<supermop_>took be forever to get my head around the use of 'lox' when i moved here
09:57<supermop_>as where i grew up, there was only 'smoked salmon' which some people called lox
09:58<supermop_>not of all these other preparations etc
09:58<Eddi|zuHause>never heard "lox" before
09:58<supermop_>in swedish it is laks
09:58<supermop_>i think
09:58<supermop_>so maybe the same in german?
09:58<Eddi|zuHause>"Lachs", yes
09:59<supermop_>lox almost seems like it must be a british corruption of the word
10:00<supermop_>i cant think of any other yiddish name ive seen with an 'ox' to make that phoneme
10:00<Eddi|zuHause>that sounds likely
10:01<supermop_>ok now i really need a bagel
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10:27<supermop_>bagel en route
10:30<Eddi|zuHause>good frühstück...
10:32<supermop_>i will have both schmear and lox on mine
10:32<supermop_>slong with red onion and caper
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10:33<Eddi|zuHause>i don't like cheese
10:33<Eddi|zuHause>(except on pizza)
10:34<supermop_>it is really weird getting used to what is essentially a cheese and fish sandwich,
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10:35<supermop_>but that seems to be the traditional new york style, so eventually i adapted to it
10:35<Eddi|zuHause>coming back to your original thought though, the term "Schmierkäse" will probably be understood
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10:47<Samu>CPU is at 64ºC :(
10:47<Samu>61ºC is max recommended t.t
10:54<Wolf01>amd or intel?
10:56<Wolf01>61°C for amd is the unpowered temperature, if you look well they are sold in asbestos boxes
11:02<@Alberth>hi hi
11:02<Wolf01>o/
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11:07<supermop_>ok bagel was good
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11:11<Eddi|zuHause>the joy of someone plugging in an extension chord and and the circut breaker throwing a fit...
11:12<Samu>it's AMD
11:14<Wolf01>stop buying chinese extension chords
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11:34<Wolf01>'night
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11:34<Mazur>Day,
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12:13<Samu>cpu is at 100%
12:13<Samu>ships, please :(
12:14<Samu>average cpu usage for the last 3 days: 94%
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12:16<Samu>cpu temperature when it wakes up from hibernation: 33ºC - that's the ambient temperature i guess
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12:30<@Alberth>it's 33 degrees in your room? :O
12:38<Samu>it's 31.7
12:39<@Alberth>oh dear, quite hot thus
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12:42<supermop_>extension chord eh?
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12:47<@Alberth>from china
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13:51<andythenorth>o/
13:51<andythenorth>o/
13:51<Eddi|zuHause>double-o/
13:51<andythenorth>just making sure
13:51<andythenorth>probably better to do things twice
13:51<andythenorth>to be sure
13:54<frosch123>hmm, noone made the chemtrails joke
13:54<frosch123>i guess it's not worth logging into the forum for that
13:55<Eddi|zuHause>were newgrf effect vehicles ever implemented?
13:55<frosch123>partly
13:56<frosch123>you can see them in effect iron pony, road boar and such
13:57<Eddi|zuHause>i always wanted 3rd rail vehicles emit sparks from the bottom
13:57<Eddi|zuHause>but it would probably also need to know on which side the rail is currently
13:57<frosch123>you can do that, that part is implemented
13:58<andythenorth>Iron Horse metro could have that added
13:58*andythenorth not coding it right now though
13:59<Eddi|zuHause>i think i just disabled sparks in CETS, but i'm not sure anymore
14:04<frosch123>"just" as in "5 years ago"?
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14:12<supermop_>smoke emitting from tires of road vehicles?
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14:13<Eddi|zuHause>if your tyres emit smoke, you are probably doing something wrong :p
14:13<V453000>racehog
14:14<Eddi|zuHause>figure-8-hog
14:15<supermop_>Eddi|zuHause: better that using fire cycle pallet on RV tires
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14:18<supermop_>how does game decide when to emit a spark?
14:18<@Alberth>it throws a die
14:19<supermop_>steam smoke is emitted constantly, and diesel smoke when exerting power?
14:19<frosch123>https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0Trains#Visual_effects_and_wagon_power_.2822.29 <- see there, or look into the code for more details
14:19<@Alberth>there is also speed stuff in play
14:20<@Alberth>less steam if it's running faster
14:20<frosch123>41, 42, 43 are the available spawning models
14:21<@Alberth>not if running against speed limit
14:21<supermop_>why is 0 ahead of the vehicle?
14:21<Eddi|zuHause>bounding box weirdness
14:22<supermop_>some kind of exhotic physics locomotive that spawns gravitons in front of the train to pull it forward?
14:22<frosch123>supermop_: don't worry about the positioning
14:22<frosch123>that part is deprecated
14:22<frosch123>and replaced by cb160
14:25<supermop_>i am not too worried as i've never made a vehicle set
14:25<supermop_>though i do have fantasies of getting off my ass to make some cute monorails
14:25<@Alberth>I like the gravitons idea
14:26<@Alberth>would even work in space
14:27<supermop_>Alberth: what color should graviton vehicle effects be?
14:28<supermop_>when i saw the bit about positioning in front of thevehicle, reminded me of the graviton projector engine in Ascendancy
14:28<@Alberth>in reality, probably nothing :p
14:29<@Alberth>but white would work, although it looks too much like steam
14:29<@Alberth>purple or pink would do it
14:30<@Alberth>magenta
14:30<supermop_>did no one else play ascendancy in the 90s?
14:31<@Alberth>no way of telling what colour appears when there's gravity changing nearby :p
14:31<supermop_>haha
14:31<supermop_>presumably the lensing effect would diffract the light
14:32<supermop_>kind of hoped eddi would have played it as it seems like deep space empire games would be in his wheelhouse
14:33<supermop_>to date the only other people i've met who played it have been my neighbors who lived next to me in the early 90s, whom i borrowed the cd rom from
14:33<@Alberth>"..originally released for MS-DOS in 1995 and was updated and re-released for iOS in 2011.." wikipedia
14:33<supermop_>ooooh
14:33<supermop_>i dont have any ios devices
14:34<frosch123>ion devices are better anyway
14:41<Eddi|zuHause>i've never heard of ascendency
14:42<Eddi|zuHause>i really didn't play all that many games
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