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---Logopened Thu Sep 29 00:00:38 2016
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05:15<argoneus>>tfw windows 10 forced a full OS update on me
05:15<argoneus>not cool
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05:26<argoneus>hello Wolf01
05:26<argoneus>>win10 forced anniversary update
05:27<Wolf01>Good, it's better now
05:27<argoneus>is it
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05:42<@peter1138>yeah you get a nice lock screen for no reason
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05:52<argoneus>I think it bricked my computer
05:52<argoneus>the update is stuck
05:52<argoneus>when is microsoft going to stop releasing broken shit
05:53<Wolf01>Just wait
05:53<argoneus>it's literally stuck
05:53<argoneus>the wheel isn't even spinning
05:53<argoneus>for the past hour
05:54<argoneus>piece of shit
05:54<Wolf01>A friend just updated, happened to him too
05:54<Wolf01>Just wit
05:54<argoneus>did the wheel stop spinning too
05:54<argoneus>for him
05:54<argoneus>how long
05:54<Wolf01>About an hour
05:54<argoneus>I'll give it some time then
06:05<argoneus>I'm more leaning on the side of "it's stuck" though
06:10<Wolf01>Show it some WD40
06:19<argoneus>been an hour now
06:20<argoneus>stupid windows
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07:38<Flygon>argoneus: Win10?
07:46<argoneus>yes Flygon
07:46<Flygon>Yeah =/
07:46<Flygon>I wonder how long this'll be a running theme >_>
07:46<Flygon>I'm afraid they'll force 7/8.1 onto forced automatic updates myself
07:49<argoneus>Flygon: you can disable them
07:49<argoneus>but you need the professional editions
07:50<argoneus>and it's well hidden
07:50<Flygon>Didn't they strip that out for all but LTSB revisions with one of the updates?
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07:53<Wolf01>argoneus, finished to update?
07:53<Wolf01>Did you have external drives connected? Usually is that
07:54<argoneus>Wolf01: I reformatted
07:54<argoneus>and installed incl. the latest updates
07:54<argoneus>now it works
07:54<argoneus>it was a 2 week old install
07:54<argoneus>literally who cares
07:55<Flygon>Everyone angered by the thought of Win10 existing? :P
07:55<Flygon>srsly tho, I getcha
07:58<Wolf01>I had more problems with ubuntu than with windows
08:05<argoneus>okay cool
08:05<argoneus>I reformatted
08:05<argoneus>all works now
08:05<argoneus>faster than trying to fix the update
08:06<Wolf01>I would like to reformat too, but I think I'll wait to change again the motherboard
08:16<Wolf01>Also I don't want to download again 9001GB of visual studio, emulators, plugins etc
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09:06<argoneus>Wolf01: at least I can do this now
09:07<Wolf01>Yeah, I use it sometimes, for git
09:08<Wolf01>GitForWindows is somewhat... broken
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09:21<supermop>yo peter1138
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10:06<Samu>i created an exe to try running it on my older system, but I'm getting an error. I can't launch it.
10:07<Samu>i launch it, and windows error reporting pops up immediately
10:07<Samu>i wasn't getting this problem on my main system
10:10<Samu>i dont have access to my main rig now
10:12<Samu>i wonder, does vs140 builds requires SSE2 processors?
10:12<Samu>cus this one doesn't have it
10:17<Samu>anyone here?
10:19<Samu>does anyone have windows OS here?
10:20<Wolf01>Nope, nobody
10:20<Samu>really :)
10:20<Samu>does it run for you?
10:20<Samu>can you try it?
10:22<Wolf01>If it does not run on older systems but in new ones it does, I can't test it as I don't have an older system
10:23<Samu>but why?
10:24<Samu>the .exes from can execute
10:24<Samu>this one, made with visual studio, can't
10:24<Wolf01>Does the older system run XP?
10:24<Samu>this is windows 7
10:24<Samu>32 bit
10:25<Wolf01>Did you compile for x64?
10:25<Samu>cpu is Athlon XP 2700+
10:25<Samu>no i compile for 32-bit
10:27<Wolf01>Maybe it used some windows 10 libraries
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10:30<Samu>what can i do now?
10:31<Wolf01>I don't know, I usually don't care to make exes for other people as I only compile for myself
10:32<Samu>how do i find out if an .exe require certain cpu instructions?
10:32<Wolf01>And I usually run what I compiled on the same pc
10:32<Samu>i suspect it's sse2
10:35<Wolf01>Are you using VS2015?
10:37<Wolf01>Do you still have VS2012/2013? VS2015 uses different "ottd-useful" which might not work on older systems, but I'm not sure, as Win7 is not so old
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10:40<@Alberth>hi hi
10:40<Samu>yes i use VS2015
10:41<Samu>and used openttd_vs140.vcxproj
10:41<Samu>about ottd-useful, i really dont know
10:43<Samu>windows 7 isn't old, but the cpu is
10:44<Samu>this is a .. 2003/2004 cpu I think
10:53<Samu>oh, older actually
10:53<Samu>Oct 2001
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12:38<Wolf01>Uhm... I found a problem with UK railway set... On a coop game my friend was able to start trains without cabeese, I can't restart the same train if I send it to a depot
12:39<Wolf01>But I don't think it's really a newgrf problem, I think it's more a missed check for the newgrf property in networking code
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12:58<andythenorth>Alberth supermop I am leaving work, resume the NCG game in a couple of hours?
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13:04<supermop>could work i have to run get something right now
13:04<andythenorth>I will go home, put kids to bed etc
13:05<Wolf01>At 7PM? Like "gtfo I want to play"?
13:05<andythenorth>but that won’t work
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13:11<@Alberth>hi hi
13:12<@Alberth>hmm, ship stuck at a sandbank :p
13:14<@Alberth>no idea why this happens
13:14<@Alberth>100% loaded, and not jumping to the next order
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13:55<andythenorth>is cat
14:01<Eddi|zuHause>Alberth: timetable?
14:01<@Alberth>good point, let me check
14:04<@Alberth> why do we use time tables in a NCG game? :p
14:04<andythenorth>we do? :o
14:05<andythenorth>it waits? o_O
14:05<@Alberth>yep, 185 days
14:05<andythenorth>so it does
14:05<andythenorth>ask supermop what that’s about :)
14:05<andythenorth>or is it autofill by mistake?
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14:06<Wolf01>Somebody started the ship with CTRL?
14:06<Wolf01>It's easy to keep the CTRL pressed for mistake, it's used for everything
14:06<Eddi|zuHause>that's a feature?
14:06<Eddi|zuHause>never heard about it
14:08<@Alberth>'clear time' doesn't help either, but that looks like a bug in openttd
14:08<@Alberth>Wolf01: so how exactly does that work, just stop/start, or from a depot or .. ?
14:09<Wolf01>I remember something related to delayed start
14:09<Wolf01>But the timetable need to be filled first
14:11<Wolf01>Ctrl click just scrolls to destination
14:11<andythenorth>timetables :P
14:11*andythenorth has a view
14:11<andythenorth>it’s not positive
14:11<Eddi|zuHause>timetables are great, but need more macromanagement features
14:12<@Alberth>yeah, ctrl+click bar of the vehicle window doesn't work
14:12<@Alberth>not to mention being smarter about starting
14:12<@Alberth>useless that a vehicle must first go back to the first order
14:13<Eddi|zuHause>mabe it's ctrl+click on the flag in the depot?
14:13<Wolf01>Or maybe just timetabled for mistake
14:13<@Alberth>it knows the schedule, it can compute the time of the arrival at the first station it enters :p
14:13<Wolf01>With full load orders
14:13<Wolf01>And low production
14:14<Wolf01>So when the production increased the ship had to wait too much win 100% load
14:14<@Alberth>no, ctrl+click depot "go" button doesn't do time table either
14:14<Eddi|zuHause>then it's probably not a feature :p
14:15<@Alberth>sabotage! :p
14:16<Wolf01>The timetable starts as soon as you open the timetable window, maybe it's always active but not effective if you don't open the timetable
14:16<Wolf01>I just started some vehicles to see their behaviours
14:17<Wolf01>One with just orders, one with autofill timetable, one with orders and only opened the timetable window to check details
14:17<Eddi|zuHause>no, that's just a recording of the previous travel times
14:17<Eddi|zuHause>it's not a "timetable"
14:17<Eddi|zuHause>unless you autofill it
14:17<Eddi|zuHause>or manually set it
14:18<Wolf01>Maybe somebody clicked autofill for mistake, or it does even have a hotkey?
14:18<@Alberth>not afaik, perhaps you can add one yourself
14:18<Wolf01>Chatting with some open windows and forgetting to press enter is a bad thing
14:19<Wolf01>Btw, with shared orders all the times are shared as well with vehicles
14:20<Wolf01>Even without autofill
14:20<Eddi|zuHause>just the start time is different
14:20<Eddi|zuHause>everything else is shared
14:25<Wolf01>Then it's just a mistake
14:30*andythenorth could rejoin the MP game in ~30 mins
14:30<andythenorth>just doing chores
14:47<supermop>Alberth: i timetabled all those ships
14:47<Wolf01>You monster
14:47<@Alberth>but we want to window goal!
14:47<supermop>fishing grounds dont jump that high in production
14:48<supermop>if you timetable the capacity off the ships to provide capacity about 120% of production works fine
14:49<supermop>if thats the reefer off to the side with a full load order then i didn't finish timetabling that route
14:49<supermop>but the ones that head far out to the north east should be fine
14:49<andythenorth>shall we restart?
14:50<andythenorth>frosch123 ^ MP game o_O
14:50<andythenorth>Wolf01 joining in?
14:50<andythenorth>supermop ^
14:50<Wolf01>Yeah, I'll give a try
14:50<supermop>ok i wont be super active but ill do a bit
14:51<supermop>161 or nightly?
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