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03:37<andythenorth>o/
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06:16<Wolf01>o/
06:28<andythenorth>o/
06:32<Wolf01>I think I slept well tonight
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07:05<andythenorth>Wolf01: so I need to patch NML, but right now I am working on an ISO27001 process
07:06<andythenorth>so no NML :P
07:06<Wolf01>:)
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07:59<LordAro>andythenorth: ISO27k1 \o/
07:59<LordAro>what fun
07:59<andythenorth>such fun
07:59<andythenorth>fun such
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09:00<Wolf01>Mmmh, I have a strange problem in visual studio tests... Exception thrown: 'System.ServiceModel.CommunicationObjectAbortedException' in System.ServiceModel.dll
09:00<Wolf01>But tests work, it happen after the tests
09:00<andythenorth>the malware can’t communicate with it’s controller? o_O
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09:01<Wolf01>Seem so
09:01*andythenorth is doing ISO 27001, all things now look like malware to me
09:01<Wolf01>Web suggest to enable the Network DTC Access without authentication
09:01<Wolf01>But nothing changes
09:41<supermop__>good morning
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12:05<Wolf01>o/
12:06<Wolf01>I'm trying to understand if it's my fault.... Assert.AreEqual failed. Expected:<{X:0 Y:1}>. Actual:<{X:-4,371139E-08 Y:1}>.
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12:08<Wolf01>Nothing that a nice Round() can't address, but heh
12:11<@Alberth>reals are approximations by definition
12:12<@Alberth>which means x == y is always 'false'
12:12<@Alberth>usually x == x holds, but not always either
12:13<Wolf01>It is more int -> operation -> double -> operation -> float
12:13<Wolf01>So decimals smells here
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13:18<andythenorth>cat time
13:18<@Alberth>o/
13:26<andythenorth>for me today is sponsored by anti-virus scanners
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13:26<goodger>I am sponsored by WD40 today
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13:31<@Alberth>cats don't like scans, I think
13:31<andythenorth>not so much
13:31<andythenorth>what a lot of windows trojans got found
13:31<andythenorth>in ancient emails
13:32<@Alberth>oh, the good old times :p
13:32*andythenorth ponders fish trams
13:32<andythenorth>live fish
13:32<@Alberth>smelly :p
13:33<@Alberth>something reefer-ish?
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13:34<andythenorth>I was thinking a tank of water
13:34<andythenorth>perhaps not :P
13:35<@Alberth>lobster tank
13:35<andythenorth>I do need to do supply trams http://villamosok.hu/nza/7052mosz.jpg
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13:35<andythenorth>hmm
13:35<andythenorth>are lobsters fish?
13:35*andythenorth considers a FIRS seafood economy
13:36<andythenorth>cod, eels, lobsters, crabs, shrimps
13:36<goodger>they are crustaceans, but 'fish' is acladistic anyway
13:36<@Alberth>sea horses
13:37<goodger>those are fish
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13:38<andythenorth>maybe I can patch nml now
13:39<andythenorth>roadtypes and tramtypes?
13:39<andythenorth>roadtypes and lightrailtypes?
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13:39<andythenorth>ach, find and replace it later
13:39<Wolf01>Quak
13:39<@Alberth>o/
13:39<Wolf01>I would go for light rail
13:40<@Alberth>that makes the other one dark rail or heavy rail?
13:40<goodger>I think the public has a right to know when OTTD will have tram-trains
13:40<frosch123>mola
13:41<andythenorth>goodger: the only safe answer is ‘never’ :)
13:41<@Alberth>hopefully before infinity
13:41<goodger>yeah, that was a joke
13:59<supermop_>andythenorth: see both trucks with tanks of fish here as well as tank like pallets
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14:12<Wolf01><Alberth> that makes the other one dark rail or heavy rail? <- I think we could move narrow gauge to lightrails in future
14:12<Wolf01>Too bad we don't have signals for roads... yet
14:13<@Alberth>signals would too much train-ish, imho
14:13<@Alberth>traffic lights may work
14:13<Wolf01>Yes
14:15<Wolf01>Also roundabouts, it shouldn't be so difficult to allow inversion on crossings
14:17<@Alberth>cant just build them as 3x3 tiles?
14:17<Wolf01>Too much space in the middle of cities
14:18<Wolf01>Also you can't put one way on curves
14:18<Wolf01>So you need to make them 5x5
14:19<Wolf01>Which could be nice for an industrial area junction, not much in the middle of a city
14:19<@Alberth>2x2 and use eg 'left' side on all tiles?
14:20<Wolf01>Still allow vehicles going the wrong way
14:20<@Alberth>4x4 would be enough, you need only 1 tile with directin at a side
14:21<@Alberth>oh, 3x3, with connect at the side
14:21<@Alberth>but too big :)
14:21<Wolf01>Bigger than 1x1 XD
14:21<@Alberth>:D
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14:31<Wolf01>What's the best way to clamp x = (CIRC - (float)d * hPI) between 0 <= x < CIRC?
14:33<Wolf01>Just a "if (d == 0) return 0;"?
14:46<@Alberth>simplest way is to let nothing go wrong if x==CIRC, perhaps
14:46<Wolf01>Test fail because 0 = 360
14:46<@Alberth>open upper limit is hard
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14:47<Wolf01>"d" is limited, it's an enum with [RIGHT, UP, LEFT, DOWN]
14:47<Wolf01>But RIGHT = 360 :D
14:48<@Alberth>make an array so you can just lookup the value
14:48<Wolf01>It's already like that
14:49<Wolf01>I mean, in game I don't really care if it's 0 or 360, but test...
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14:50<@Alberth>I mean x = x_val[d]
14:50<@Alberth>where x_val is an array with 4 floats
14:51<Wolf01>Eh, but I don't want to change 3 parts in the code just if I want to add a new direction in future
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14:57<andythenorth>hmm
14:57<andythenorth>vehicles with special cargo aging or loading speed effects
14:57<andythenorth>should the buy menu tell that?
14:58<andythenorth>and if so, what to say?
15:00<frosch123>entertainer on board - keep your livestock happy
15:09<andythenorth>what about if it’s frozen fishfingers?
15:09<andythenorth>they like entertainment too? o_O
15:10<@Alberth>they like frozen-ness
15:12<frosch123>bad entertaienr on board - faster unload tmies
15:13<andythenorth>lower payment rate also?
15:13<andythenorth>I could randomise it per journey
15:14<andythenorth>boring virus scan is boring
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15:50<andythenorth>hmm, RH trams are really low capacity compared to RL
15:50<andythenorth>nvm
15:57<Wolf01>You never played Train Fever... trams for 5 passengers
16:00<andythenorth>pax trams are a bit boss currently
16:00<andythenorth>they have more power than an Iron Horse metro train
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17:37<Eddi|zuHause>train fever was a bit extreme i think
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17:38<goodger>too real-time
17:38<Wolf01>I play it FF for the first 25-30 years
17:38<Wolf01>Starting in 1850
17:39<Wolf01>So I can play without money problems after :P
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18:54<Wolf01>http://todayinsci.com/B/Baldwin_Matthias/BaldwinMatthias-HOP.htm if andy reads this thing he'll go full crazy
18:54<Wolf01>Specially this part: "the locomotive engine built by Mr. M. W. Baldwin, of this city, will depart daily, when the weather is fair, with a train of passenger cars. On rainy days horses will be attached."
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19:19<Wolf01>http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a37YAAQ_460sv.mp4 V453000, for factorio, this is a killer thing
19:20<goodger>what the hell is the point of that last one
19:21<Wolf01>Just for fun
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19:29<Wolf01>'night
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