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---Logopened Wed Nov 09 00:00:36 2016
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06:22<Wolf01>So it happened
06:30<Eddi|zuHause>so it did.
06:30<Eddi|zuHause>now everyone can calm down and go on with their daily business... probably not :p
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06:39<Wolf01>This is unexpected, where did the first one go?
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06:59<argoneus>good morning train friends
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07:01<Flygon>Dumb question
07:01<Flygon>IF you can find a heightmap for an area, but it's messy and a .jpg
07:01<Flygon>Is it sane to scale it to the desired resolution anyway
07:01<Flygon>Then draw over it
07:01<Flygon>With the new height layers?
07:02<Flygon>I can't find a good heightmap of New Zealand for the life of me
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07:03<Eddi|zuHause>don't scale the JPEG, it'll only create more weird artifacts. convert it to an exact format first
07:03<Flygon>Yeah, that's why you take the .jpg, then re-hand draw a new heightmap over it
07:03<Flygon>And export that as a .png
07:09<Flygon>That would be kind of awkward tho
07:09<Flygon>I need to make a real heightmap export somepoint
07:09<Flygon><_> I'm put off by the tediousity
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07:17<Eddi|zuHause>how exact does the heightmap need to be anyway? you could just throw a smoothing or sharpening filter over the image and be done with it
07:37<Flygon>The .jpg I found is in tatters
07:37<Flygon>Best I make a new one
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09:55<supermop>Eddi|zuHause: idk depends if my boss thinks weeping in the office is too uprofessional
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10:18<supermop>ugh i need to go buy some donuts or something i dont know,staring at autocad not doing anything isn't working
10:20<supermop>guess i'll need to wait until more americans get on to see any commiseration
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10:36<supermop>hi Alberth
10:36<@Alberth>hi hi supermop
10:37<supermop>whatever country you are from let me move there
10:38<@Alberth>below a lot of water :p
10:38<@Alberth>and it's raining here today
10:38<supermop>raining here too
10:39<supermop>and manhattan will be underwater in 50 years anyway -
10:40<Eddi|zuHause>holland is the best city in the world.
10:41<@Alberth>it's a city? :O
10:42<Wolf01>Venice here, already underwater
10:43<Eddi|zuHause>isn't venice's problem that it's drowning in sewage because it can't flow out?
10:44<Eddi|zuHause>i may have simplified the problem a bit too much :p
10:46<@Alberth>close enough, I guess :)
10:48<Eddi|zuHause>i'm playing as venice right now, but i'm having trouble against the ottomans, they have better armies and i don't win with equal soldier numbers
10:48<Eddi|zuHause>also, i gtg
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11:02<supermop>shouldn't nato article 5 require you guys to invade us now?
11:04<supermop>i think this election counts as an attack on an ally
11:06<@Alberth>you know europe, endless debating and words :p
11:08<@Alberth>president can't be tossed out before the 4 year term?
11:08<@Alberth>other than by killing him, I guess
11:15<supermop>can impeach
11:15<supermop>republican congress was going to impeach Nixon, which is why he resigned
11:18<supermop>but republican congressmen today seem to have a lot less interest in propriety to do that now
11:19<supermop>Trump has already said and done worse than what they knew about Nixon at the time, and they still stood by him
11:20<supermop>and if democrats or liberal republicans win more seats in 2018, Trump supporters can just claim they cheated in their elections
11:22<@Alberth>they didn't have an alternative for trump at all
11:23<supermop>rather they had too many fighting amongst themselves
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11:45<Wolf01> ahahah the best one so far
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12:49<goodger>gooey middach
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13:01<supermop>just been drawing rivers for 3 hours
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13:13<Eddi|zuHause><supermop> i think this election counts as an attack on an ally <-- no, it requires an attack from the OUTSIDE, which is why the US went through all kinds of hoops to define the attack on the world trade center, which only concerned inland flights and persons who already lived in the US for a while, to redefine it as an outside attack
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13:20<supermop>Eddi|zuHause: can nato please at lease attack me personally then so i dont have to listen to this guy speak for 4 more years
13:20<Eddi|zuHause>supermop: tried earplugs?
13:21<goodger>well the good news is that the euro area is going to get a bit more manageable once putin reconquers latvia
13:21<Eddi|zuHause>i find that not very likely to happen
13:22<supermop>Eddi|zuHause: that's a start but i'd take a NATO 105mm shell to my ears just the same right now
13:22<Eddi|zuHause>i mean, look at georgia, russia didn't actually "invade" all of georgia, just the parts that didn't want anything to do with georgia anyway
13:25<Eddi|zuHause>supermop: just listen to a nice song instead:
13:25<Eddi|zuHause>(with a nice architect-y theme as well)
13:26<supermop>video not available in my country :/
13:27<Eddi|zuHause>what are you, in the reverse germany? :p
13:27<Eddi|zuHause>germany just stopped the "this video is not available" bullshit
13:27<supermop>bizzaro world is where i am
13:28<supermop>and of course clinton won the popular vote but doesn't count due to electoral college
13:29<supermop>because god forbid a state with only 100,000 people have fewer senators than one with 20 million
13:29<goodger>that's not how it works
13:29<@Alberth>ah, the greatest country that has so much freedom
13:29<@peter1138>Sheesh, 7 dead after tram overturns.
13:29<supermop>goodger: the reason we have an electoral college is to 'protect' the 'rights' of small states
13:30<goodger>electoral votes are apportioned per state in a less unequitable way than senators; it's the single-plurality multi-district thing that delivers the broken results
13:30<@Alberth>peter: indeed :(
13:30<goodger>first fatal tram crash since the 50s
13:30<supermop>goodger: there is no way electoral votes are less equitable than senators
13:31<supermop>every state gets 2 senators whether it has 1000 people or a billion
13:31<goodger>less unequitable
13:31<supermop>ah yes
13:31<goodger>I mean it's still not actually fair, but it's less unfair than the senate
13:32<Eddi|zuHause>what 7? it was 5 when i last looked
13:32<goodger>also the main problem is that 48% of all of a large state's voters can and routinely do control 100% of that state's votes
13:32<goodger>so glwt
13:32<Eddi|zuHause>goodger: well, it's hard to have crashes when you stop using trams for 50 years
13:32<supermop>but still the #rep+2 number, along with the senate itself, are set up to dis-proportionally benefit less populous states
13:33<goodger>true dat
13:33<supermop>just on the face of that, its absurd that they should have that provision,
13:33<supermop>but its gets worse
13:33<Eddi|zuHause>supermop: that's nothing compared to how voting for the german president works
13:34<Eddi|zuHause>supermop: but ok, he has not nearly as much power...
13:35<supermop>because when the constitution was written, small states were not large, vacuous, mountain regions like wyoming, but rather southern states where most of the people didn't count as people....
13:35<goodger>yeah, but the german president's main job is to occupy a nice neoclassical palace and keep his mouth shut, much like the english and dutch monarchs
13:35<supermop>and they were afraid that giving northern states proportional strength would have led to abolition on day 1
13:35<Eddi|zuHause>goodger: quite the opposite, he's meant to speak quite a lot
13:36<Eddi|zuHause>it's basically the only thing he does
13:36<supermop>which is what should have happened
13:38<supermop>that or they should never had agreed to form any permanent union with southern states
13:38<Eddi|zuHause>it's always easy to criticise decisions after the fact
13:39<goodger>it's the only time one can criticize a decision
13:39<goodger>otherwise, it's criticizing a proposal
13:41<frosch123>liquid stone
13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27679 trunk/src/lang/romanian.txt (2016-11-09 19:45:35 +0100 )
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from Eints:
13:45<@DorpsGek>romanian: 10 changes by kneekoo
13:50<goodger>that sounds like a presidential order to me
13:50<@Alberth>from 2009?
13:51<@Alberth>don't think that will hold in court :)
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13:56<Eddi|zuHause>uhm... what's wrong with the estonian government?
14:00<supermop>Eddi|zuHause: not bold enough contrast on flag colors?
14:05<Eddi|zuHause>what are the estonian colours? blue black and white?
14:05<supermop>white not in middle like on a typical tricolor though
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14:06<supermop>odd choice in graphic design
14:06<supermop>i like it though
14:07<Eddi|zuHause>supermop: well
14:12<frosch123>is there a similar explanation for the polish flag?
14:13<supermop>i like 2-stripe flags
14:13<frosch123>i like vertical stripes
14:13<goodger>tricolour forever
14:14<supermop>Viet Cong flag almost perfect from a design standpoint
14:15<frosch123>supermop: you should checkout the numberphile video on the nepal flag
14:15<supermop>triangles nice
14:15<supermop>ohio flag i also love
14:15<supermop>symbolism is stupid but i like the design
14:16<supermop>greenland flag also good
14:16<frosch123>apparently the nepal constitution describes the geometry construction steps to make a flag
14:20<@Alberth>sounds like a fundamental right to know how to make a flag :)
14:20<@Alberth>o/ andy
14:28<Eddi|zuHause>Alberth: yeah, but it's probably easier to make a tricolour flag than the nepalese flag :p
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14:28<supermop>Eddi|zuHause: global liberal democracy is falling apart
14:29<supermop>so pick your favorite authoritarian states to move to now
14:29<supermop>i'm picking viet nam for the pho
14:29<Eddi|zuHause>supermop: i have no intention to move anywhere
14:29<supermop>but pho
14:30<Eddi|zuHause>probably plenty of vietnamese people around here
14:30<supermop>ok finally have appetite, heading out to lunch
14:30<Eddi|zuHause>we had a lot of vietnamese guest workers in the 80s
14:30<Eddi|zuHause>pretty sure not all of them went home
14:30<Supercheese>plenty of pho available anywhere really
14:31<Supercheese>although it is a 1.5 hour drive from here to the best vietnamese restaurant
14:31<Supercheese>not the most convenient
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15:11<supermop>this shit will never get fixed because they won't let it get fixed
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15:22<andythenorth>is cat?
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15:23<@Alberth>nah, just spammy plp
15:23<supermop>andy please distract me with cute trams
15:23<andythenorth>trump tram
15:23<andythenorth>someone should draw that
15:23<andythenorth>actually, given events in UK, that’s horribly bad taste
15:23<Wolf01>London tram derailed, not cute
15:26<andythenorth>change of subject
15:26<andythenorth>Wolf01 new Technic sets?
15:26<Wolf01>Yup, /me wants the ship
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15:27<andythenorth>not many functions, but unusual
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16:28<Eddi|zuHause>ok, maybe starting with the largest map in transport fever wasn't a great idea
16:29<supermop>Eddi|zuHause: is it fun?
16:29<Eddi|zuHause>how would i know, i haven't managed to build anything yet, because opening the construction for ship menu just froze the game for 3 minutes
16:29<Wolf01>I'm not even able to earn money :D
16:30<andythenorth>flat route
16:30<andythenorth>kirby paul :P
16:30<Wolf01>Nah, passengers
16:30<andythenorth>oh wrong game :P
16:30<andythenorth>silly andythenorth
16:30<Wolf01>This game is city-centric
16:30<Wolf01>You need to fullfill city needs
16:30<Eddi|zuHause>i was attempting to start out with a boat route
16:31<Eddi|zuHause>the map looks really beautiful, though, a big step up from train fever
16:31<Wolf01>If you start with an industry you'll get a full stockpile in 2 months and the primary one stops producing
16:31<andythenorth>are boats just as useless in transport fever?
16:31<Wolf01>Boats are always useless
16:32<Supercheese>ships are the only unlimited-throughput option in TTD
16:32<Supercheese>need more capacity? Just moar boats
16:33<Supercheese>no extra infrastructure required
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16:35<andythenorth>gameplay useless :)
16:35<andythenorth>no play
16:35<andythenorth>no game
16:36<supermop>Supercheese: pathfinder cpu capacity needed
16:36<andythenorth>‘press here to win’
16:36<andythenorth>except that it’s actually ‘join up tedious bouy routes to win'
16:36<andythenorth>original TTD solved it
16:37<andythenorth>ships were impossible to make money with
16:37<supermop>and ugly
16:40<andythenorth>hovercraft is ok
16:40<andythenorth>freight ships are not…
16:40<andythenorth>even SF had a bad day sometimes
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16:47<Eddi|zuHause>hm, the "first X" achievement statistic dropped from 99.9% earlier today to 60%
16:47<Eddi|zuHause>(of all people who purchased the game)
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17:28<Eddi|zuHause>hm, i think i should have built a train line to connect up this quarry instead of horse carts. i need dozens of them
17:38<supermop>sounds like leifbk's screenshot thread
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17:46<Eddi|zuHause>anyway, i think i'm marginally profitable
17:47<Wolf01>I'm marginally profitable since I started...
17:47<Wolf01>I'm not able to get enough of anything
17:48<Eddi|zuHause>one ship route between two towns, one stone route with horse and one building materials route for each town (one horse one ship). plus two inner-city routes with horses
17:48<supermop>would i need to buy a new computer to play this?
17:48<Eddi|zuHause>would certainly help :p
17:49<Eddi|zuHause>i'm not having a lot of problems yet, except for some lag spikes when opening construction menus
17:50<Eddi|zuHause>i'm thinking about runing a pretty long coal->steel mill ship route, to complement my nearby ore mines, but i'm not sure where to deliver the steel. and i'd need to up my loan for that
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20:37<Flygon>Generated a...
20:38<Flygon>Workable NZ heightmap
20:38<Flygon>In just need to manually edit the coast
20:38<Flygon>And smooth a few things
20:44<Wolf01>I managed to start earning money on TF and now that I started to have fun it's fucking late :(
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20:45<Flygon>I.. think
20:46<Flygon> Did I dun goofed?
20:47<Flygon>It does seem to load quite nicely in the client
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21:12<Flygon>Rivers/Cannels need some fixingf
21:12<Flygon>But I'll do that on my drawing tablet with a pen
21:12<Flygon>Pressure sensitive rivers >_>
21:26<supermop_>hmm yaam patch still has issue with single track
21:27<supermop_>if you've got an 80 mile single track line with only one train, train drives as if creeping up on a red signal all the time
21:28<supermop_>also gui signal sprites don't match the game sprites with distant aspect
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