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---Logopened Fri Nov 11 00:00:39 2016
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05:15*peter1138 smirks at QC
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05:25<goodger>quality control is the worst
05:26<Eddi|zuHause>... except having no QC is even worse
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05:36<Eddi|zuHause>it's almost midday, anyway.
05:38<goodger>goedemiddag in advance then, Eddi|zuHause
05:40<Wolf01>Shit is 11/11 today, not 10/11
05:40<Wolf01>I lost an entire day on TF
05:41<Eddi|zuHause>at least 11:11 is already over
05:41<Wolf01>Ha, missed that too
05:41<Eddi|zuHause>that's the time when all the crazy people come out of their holes
05:43<Wolf01>Car maintenance today, for the first time I've seen my car doing 28km/l - 3,5l/100km... gasoline
05:44<Wolf01>No, it's the second time, the first time is when I purchased it
05:44<@peter1138>11:11 UTC is not here yet.
05:44<Eddi|zuHause>nobody cares about UTC :p
05:45<goodger>the two-minute silence on armistice day is actually at 11:00 GMT
05:45<Wolf01>I usually do 4,5-5,5l/100km, miracles of additives
05:46<Eddi|zuHause>goodger: that's not what i'm talking about
05:47<Eddi|zuHause>goodger: 11.11. 11:11 is the time when carneval season starts, so people make lots and lots of noise
05:50<goodger>oh, right
05:51<@peter1138>carnival eh
05:52<Eddi|zuHause>goodger: and if you ask random peole on the street what the date 11.11. means, that is what they will tell you, nobody will answer "armistice day"
05:52<@peter1138>karn evil 9
05:52<@peter1138>yeah, well, germans...
05:53<goodger>when you say random peole on the street, is that just the area within 250 metres of your house?
05:53<Eddi|zuHause>no, more like 250km
05:54<goodger>very good
06:01<Wolf01>I think I'm hungry
06:02<goodger>one way to find out
06:02<Wolf01>But it's too late to hunt for some biscuits
06:03<@peter1138>never too late
06:03<Wolf01>Ok, I'll eat one, just one
06:04<@peter1138>Yes, just one. Packet.
06:04<Wolf01>That's the problem
06:05<Wolf01>What have I done... I'm even more hungry now
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06:24<Wolf01>What happened to the horizontal layout for pdf? I remember that I read books with 2 pages on screen instead of scrolling down
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06:26<Eddi|zuHause>shouldn't that be a setting in your pdf viewer?
06:26<Wolf01>They removed everything from adobe reader
06:27<goodger>I bet the mail client is still there
06:27<Eddi|zuHause>i haven't used adobe in ages
06:28<Wolf01>The windows reader app has the "2 pages" settings but ignores it
06:29<Eddi|zuHause>must also set zoom to "full page"
06:29<Wolf01>Eh, that made it
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06:29<Wolf01>Poorly done ebook, misses a white page after cover
06:30<Wolf01>The pages are coupled back to back instead of left-right
06:31<Eddi|zuHause>disable 2-page, scroll to an even/odd page, and reenable it to see if it correctly aligns now?
06:31<Wolf01>Ok, enabled frontispiece seem to fix that
06:32<Eddi|zuHause>most of these things can be solved, just need to find the right setting
06:33<@peter1138>evince has all those options
06:34<goodger>as does okular
06:34<Wolf01>The weird thing is that settings didn't do anything, I had to right click to bring on the toolbars
06:35<Wolf01>Maybe settings just set the default behaviour for new opened pdfs
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09:31<supermop>hows it going Alberth
09:32<@Alberth>trying to get started coding, but it's not going anywhere fast today :)
09:33<@Alberth>actually, pointers is not the problem, object lifetime management is :)
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09:45<Wolf01>Actually the problem is using pointers without knowing consequences
09:47<@Alberth>that counts too :p
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11:02<LordAro>Alberth: needs more smart pointer, clearly :)
11:06<@Alberth>for some value of smart, sure :)
11:06<@Alberth>hihi :)
11:06<@Alberth>openttd lacks a few such things :p
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11:09<@Alberth>not sure there exist a pointer that you can give to other objects without immediately handing it over, or sharing it
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11:56<Wolf01>Uhuhuhuh fff
12:04<supermop>if you want any decent amount of snow in game, there is no way to place farms in SE
12:04<supermop>because cant place them on snow
12:05<supermop>and SE / map generation is at Jan. 1
12:07<@Alberth>ha, nice problem :p
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12:08<Wolf01>Effectively, that was a problem I noticed when I was working on trees
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12:09<Wolf01>I wanted to check how trees changed with snowline, but I couldn't change the date :P
12:09<@Alberth>nor the snowline height, I guess :)
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12:11<@Alberth>andy cat
12:11<Wolf01>Don't underestimate the power of changing values while debugging :P
12:11<@Alberth>haha :)
12:12<Wolf01>Breaking any sort of thing, worse than removing a grf
12:13<Wolf01>Uhm, must go now, my people need me
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12:16<supermop>andythenorth: let me build farms in the snow
12:17<supermop>at least below the summer snowline
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12:26<supermop>let me build a perfect FIRS world i can crawl into and hide in
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14:06<supermop>wow a lot happened in here while i was at lunch
14:17<@Alberth>most was absorbed by the internet
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14:38<V453000>when I save with this
14:38<V453000>photoshop-ttd-dos-noact-no1cc.act - Photoshop palette DOS, no action and no company colours (768 Bytes) planetmaker, 2013-09-12 12:31
14:38<V453000>nmlc tells me it's not a valid palette
14:38<V453000>what wrong?
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14:42<V453000>same shit for the noact palette with CC
14:43<V453000>how do I define the palette even?
14:43<V453000>as in, how to create the .act
14:45<V453000>oh or do I first convert the 32bpp image into noact-no1cc, and after that save it to normal palette?
14:45<V453000>as the indexes get rid of in the first conversion already?
14:59<V453000>ok seems to do it
15:10<@Alberth>ok :)
15:17<V453000>well so far 32bpp looks downright retarded
15:17<V453000>either white pixels all over the place, or blue pixels all over the place
15:18<V453000>wondering how to solve
15:18<V453000>probably unsolvable
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15:26<@Alberth>some applications don't really understand they shouldn't touch the palette
15:27<@Alberth>don't know if that includes photoshop
15:28<V453000>well it has to
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15:28<V453000>semi-transparency in antialiased sprites
15:30<V453000>btw what could cause 32bpp to hit a performance massively?
15:40<@Alberth>DOS palette doesn't have opacity :)
15:40<@Alberth>or rather, it has only fully opaque colours
15:40<V453000>is that the perforance hit?
15:40<V453000>I know that, it's an issue with the conversions ... wondering how to solve it
15:41<@Alberth>not sure you can solve it, how do you know what colour to use under it?
15:41<V453000>well yeah exactly
15:41<V453000>only way could be to kill the alpha
15:42<@Alberth>I agree with that
15:42<V453000>I can't think of any other option
15:42<V453000>it won't look great, but I don't think that's expected
15:43<@Alberth>it looks great within the limitations of the DOS palette :)
15:44<V453000>is still shit :P
15:44<V453000>hand drawn looks nice
15:44<@Alberth>yep, can't really produce that kind of quality automagically
15:49<V453000>pikka's way of approaching 8bpp isn't so bad now :P
15:49<@Alberth>what does he do?
15:50<V453000>provide empty "placeholder"
15:51<@Alberth>ah, sneaky :)
15:51<@Alberth>save an easter egg in it :p
15:52<V453000>i'll give something, but it will likely look bullshit
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19:38<Eddi|zuHause>so weird, an industry that once was just inside my catchment area is now just outside my catchment area...
19:39<Eddi|zuHause>and ships have a one-cargo-hold problem if used as "trunk" line
19:39<Eddi|zuHause>can only carry one type of cargo at a time
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22:39<supermop_>well forgot to have dinner tonight
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