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03:04<andythenorth>o/
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04:05<@Alberth>moin
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04:44*andythenorth still wants a moomin cargo
04:45<andythenorth>or groke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Groke
04:49<@Alberth>we need frozen wagons and tracks :p
04:50<andythenorth>ice railtype
04:52*andythenorth trying to find more cargos for Arctic that might look nice
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04:56<@Alberth>o/
04:56<Wolf01>Moin
04:59<andythenorth>fur?
04:59<andythenorth>probably doesn’t look very interesting
05:00<Wolf01>Fur -> goods?
05:00<andythenorth>or just export
05:00<andythenorth>fur -> trading post
05:00<andythenorth>FIRS furs
05:02<andythenorth>caribou farm -> livestock
05:02<andythenorth>bbl
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05:02<DDR>Seal, as a delicacy, maybe?
05:03<DDR>Wood, oil, minerals... there's not much up north. Tourism?
05:04<@Alberth>you'll have to wait until andy returns :)
05:05<@Alberth>which normally happens several times during the day
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05:20<Wolf01>http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/azrmOdx_460sv.mp4 <- found andy
05:21<@Alberth>:D
05:22<Eddi|zuHause>so that's why he asks about cats here all the time
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05:28<@Alberth>my thought exactly :)
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05:33<V453000>also why he gets so much shit done
05:33<V453000>he has cat slaves
05:33<V453000>so when he asks for them it's because some of them isn't doing their job
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05:58<@Alberth>o/
05:58<Wolf01>o/
06:01<Wolf01>http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/azrmOdx_460sv.mp4 <- andythenorth, please
06:07<andythenorth>iz me
06:07<goodger>aww
06:07<@Alberth>:)
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06:35<Wolf01>I need to do a SHIP of SNOT parts in black and LBG :| I can't do my 3 new dioramas without them
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06:45<Eddi|zuHause>what exactly is a "snot" part?
06:48<Wolf01>One with studs other than top
06:48<Wolf01>SNOT mean stud-not-on-top
06:50<Wolf01>Also SHIP mean seriously huge investment on parts XD
07:28<@peter1138>heh
07:29<@peter1138>dunno why, we used to call them "flatners"
07:29<@peter1138>(or maybe flatteners, it was never written)
07:31<@peter1138>though i guess SNOT is a build technique rather than a part
07:31<andythenorth>it is
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07:35<Wolf01>SNOT is both a build technique and a kind of parts
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07:35<Wolf01>Meh, I just read "Forbidden LEGO", the slogan of the book is "don't follow the instructions of this book"
07:36<Wolf01>Cut, glued pieces, non-lego parts, painted parts
07:36<andythenorth>lego + glue gun + hacksaw
07:37*andythenorth has done it
07:37<Wolf01>Shame on you :D
07:37<andythenorth>if you want to use it as a mechanical component in other things...
07:37<andythenorth>there’s no choice
07:38<andythenorth>e.g. for my physics exam I built a wing-testing wind tunnel, with lego to adjust the pitch of the wing
07:39<Wolf01>I wouldn't have used lego :P
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07:44<andythenorth>meccano sucks :)
07:44<andythenorth>I tried it
07:45<Wolf01>The new ones even more, all appearance and no functionality
07:46<@peter1138>is it plastic yet?
07:46<Wolf01>50% yes
07:46<@peter1138>it was mostly metal in my day, with some plastic for cosmetics
07:47<@peter1138>oh, also plastic cogs but not always
07:47<andythenorth>the metal could be bent at least
07:48<andythenorth>the gears used to need grub screws, tedious
07:48<Wolf01>http://www.meccano.com/products
07:48<andythenorth>unless you lock them to the axle with superglue
07:48<Wolf01>BTW, there is plenty of cogs and girders for robotics you can use for projects without using building toys :)
07:48<andythenorth>dunno why, but meccano never appealed to me
07:49<andythenorth>even though I had loads of this when I was small http://www.elc.co.uk/construction-toys-and-kits/build-it-construction-starter-set-/115621.html
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09:26<goodger>ELC :O
09:26<goodger>I used to go in there and play with the trains
09:49<supermop>we had brass gears over here
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13:02<andythenorth>so gold or nickel?
13:02<andythenorth>in theory, nickel at least gives a visible cargo
13:03<andythenorth>although it’s just small grey ingots
13:03<@Alberth>nickel seems a nice change of the usual cargoes
13:04<@Alberth>you can transport gold ore :)
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13:04<@Alberth>it's not very valuable :)
13:05<@Alberth>and get rocks for nearby concrete plant
13:08<supermop>i like nickle
13:08<supermop>don't give the gold bugs any encouragement
13:09<supermop>whats next, palladium? irridium? osmium?
13:11<andythenorth>phosphoric acid?
13:11<andythenorth>chromium?
13:21<andythenorth>explosives: “BOOM” or “BANG”?
13:21<andythenorth>for label
13:26<supermop>boom
13:26<supermop>boom is explosion bang is gunfire
13:26<andythenorth>good
13:27<supermop>although whenever they blast for construction in NYC it sounds more like 'rumble'
13:27<supermop>as it's typically small amounts under a lot of rock from where i am standing
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13:31<andythenorth>file:///Users/andy/Documents/OTTD_graphics/FIRS/firs_build/docs/html/economies.html#arctic_basic
13:33<andythenorth>yeah that’ll work :P
13:34<andythenorth>@seen kyosuke
13:34<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: I have not seen kyosuke.
13:34<andythenorth>@seen Kyosuke
13:34<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: I have not seen Kyosuke.
13:34<andythenorth>nvm
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13:49<andythenorth>http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html#arctic_basic
13:49<andythenorth>supplies are a bit weird
13:49<andythenorth>both fertiliser & explosives go to supply yard
13:50<andythenorth>and ‘goods’ which is furniture here
13:50<andythenorth>lot of chairs needed in the mines :(
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13:59<andythenorth>err
14:00<andythenorth>could produce FMSP directly instead of fertiliser
14:00<andythenorth>that frees up a cargo too
14:00<supermop>what about husqavarna chainsaws
14:01*andythenorth has been considering ‘machinery'
14:01<andythenorth>ach, FMSP also goes to forests
14:01<andythenorth>I forgot that
14:01<andythenorth>balls
14:01<supermop>"chainsaw, snowmobile, and sewing machine factory"
14:02<andythenorth>needs metal and stuff :)
14:02<andythenorth>not just nickel
14:02<andythenorth>I removed all metal production
14:02<andythenorth>let’s assume this is some remote forest + fjord economy
14:02<supermop>nah they import all that stuff
14:02<supermop>parts-> chainsaws
14:03<supermop>ok new port: Chainsaw and snowmobile dealership
14:03<supermop>forest -> modern furniture
14:04<andythenorth>ha ha
14:04<andythenorth>I think the cargo flow _looks_ about right
14:04<supermop>minnesota economy?
14:04<andythenorth>graphviz layout is a strange beast, so it shouldn’t be taken as too much guide
14:04<andythenorth>but I reckon a good basic economy makes a pleasing graph
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14:07<supermop>hmm i wonder, if in a smaller focused economy if you can separate out fmsp into fertilizer and equipment
14:07<supermop>didn't early FIRS have forest take ensp?
14:09<supermop>i have to laugh thinking of lumberjacks spreading fertilizers all over a forest
14:11<supermop>"2009 - Demolition robot Husqvarna launch its first remote-controlled demolition robot."
14:20<supermop>ok now i feel like buying a fancy new sewing machine
14:22<andythenorth>on regrowth forest, they do fertilise it I think :P
14:23<andythenorth>many years ago, I looked into it
14:35<supermop>seems like there would be a much longer lead time that 3 months between fertilizer and trees to cut down
14:36<andythenorth>yair
14:36<andythenorth>the thing with supplies…don’t look too closely :P
14:36<andythenorth>:)
14:37<supermop>so imagine that the lime kiln is making chainsaws on the side
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15:04<supermop>andythenorth: would you use a ogfx+ station set?
15:04<andythenorth>hmm
15:04<andythenorth>what’s in it?
15:04<supermop>sort of a chips for passengers
15:05<supermop>idk im just looking at the sprites wondering how much i can get by just kitbashing stuff from baseset
15:05<supermop>single sided platform on baseset pavement + roof
15:06<supermop>platform with bus stop shelter, or truck stop shelter for goods
15:07<andythenorth>I just use the defaults
15:07<supermop>rail platforms with monorail roofs
15:07<supermop>yeah
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15:07<supermop>japanese platforms too fiddly waste too much time setting them up
15:08<supermop>but i want a bit more nuance
15:08<supermop>so every hamlet doesn't get a grand victorian terminal trainshed
15:09<supermop>dudes waiting would be nice too
15:10<supermop>carts of mail sack
15:13<supermop>about 1-2 times a year i get the urge to try to make a slightly richer but still generic station set
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15:22<supermop>hmm the big sprite sheet on the dev zone has a different little station house than the station in my game
15:23<supermop>ah danmack drew revised houses later
15:27<supermop>i wonder what the maglev roof is made out of
15:27<supermop>steel, aluminum?
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15:50<andythenorth>nickel
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16:07<BluesInTheNet>I've been here for 2 days and I still don't get what you guys are actually talking about...
16:08<Wolf01>Neither do I, and I've been here for 12 years
16:14<V453000>you made me realize I am playing openttd for 9 years
16:14<V453000>thanks
16:14<V453000>._.
16:14<Wolf01>XD
16:14<V453000>no just 8
16:14<V453000>'s ok
16:25<Wolf01>http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/arOVovV_460sv.mp4 I think... no, too much work for too little benefit
16:25<andythenorth>V453000: same as me
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16:34<V453000>https://eu1.factorio.com/assets/img/blog/fff-165-train-3000.jpg
16:34<V453000>is cat
16:35<Wolf01>:D
16:35<Wolf01>It looks a bit compressed vertically, but is really fantastic
16:35<ST2>looks badass :P
16:36<andythenorth>furniture cargo?
16:36<andythenorth>or is daft?
16:36<andythenorth>V453000: such cat
16:37<andythenorth>will there be a film of factorio?
16:37<andythenorth>:P
16:37<V453000>hopefully not :D
16:37<Wolf01>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FtuuqkWvb8 HAAHHAHA I died
16:39<andythenorth>hmm
16:40<andythenorth>more things like this in FIRS http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/industries.html#pyrite_smelter
16:40<supermop>RIP Wolf01...T_T
16:40<andythenorth>eh, FIRS needs redone
16:40<andythenorth>it makes no sense
16:41<supermop>what chips tiles am i supposed to use with firs2 steelmill
16:41<supermop>mud? cobble?
16:42<supermop>steel mill itself has mud
16:42<andythenorth>I would probly use cobble
16:42<andythenorth>supermop: name some cargos made of wood (timber)?
16:46<andythenorth>:o paracetamol comes from coal tar
16:46<andythenorth>wikipedia eh
16:46<Wolf01>What does not kill you...
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17:05<supermop>CREOSOTE
17:05*andythenorth was researching it :P
17:05<andythenorth>finland’s biggest export was tar
17:05<andythenorth>but pine tar, not coal tar
17:06<andythenorth>wrong kind
17:06<andythenorth>I never knew
17:06<andythenorth>tar is just black stuff to me
17:07<andythenorth>eh http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html#arctic_basic
17:07<andythenorth>nearly done
17:07*andythenorth must to seelp
17:07<Wolf01>Me too
17:07<supermop>CREOSOTE_>TRESTLES
17:08<Wolf01>'night
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17:09<andythenorth>salt? o_O
17:09<andythenorth>salt + fish = food?
17:10<andythenorth>bed
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19:13<goodger>do angry birds qualify as a cargo
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19:47<Eddi|zuHause>i don't think there's a slingshot vehicle type in this game
19:50<NGC3982>Not even a gravity one?
19:51<Eddi|zuHause>unlikely
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20:18<goodger>I ask because iirc it's finland's top export
20:23<Eddi|zuHause>that used to be nokia phones
20:25<goodger>I too remember 2006
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22:30<supermop__>this beliner weisse is the sourest weiss ive ever had
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