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13:17<@Alberth>qual
13:17<@Alberth>*quak
13:18<frosch123>hoi
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14:01<andythenorth>o/
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14:01<Wolf01>o/, quak, meow
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14:05<@Alberth>o/
14:06<frosch123>anyone still uses autoreplace?
14:06<frosch123>anyone using autoreplace with multiple railtypes?
14:06<@Alberth>if the need arises
14:06<andythenorth>autoreplace or autorenew? o_O
14:07<@Alberth>usually NUTS trains or so
14:07<frosch123>replace
14:07<andythenorth>I use replace every game, unless I get bored before new vehicles arrive
14:07<andythenorth>I am always amazed how much it does
14:07<andythenorth>it has some really thoughtful aspects
14:07<@Alberth>needs new engine every year :p
14:08<andythenorth>frosch123: what’s the underlying question? o_O
14:08<@Alberth>random guess: NRT breaks stuff :p
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14:10<andythenorth>I use it with multiple railtypes
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14:15<frosch123>https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/autorepgui.png <- i suggest to change the windowlayou to something like that
14:15<frosch123>adding an option "all types" to the railtype dropdown
14:16<frosch123>and turning the wagon button into a combobox "engines", "wagon", "both"
14:16<frosch123>then use a similar gui (but without the wagon thingie) for nrt
14:17<andythenorth>what problem have you run into that needs a change? :)
14:17<frosch123>the separation by rail/road type seems very weird to me
14:18<frosch123>i think a filter is ok, but it needs an "all" option
14:18<frosch123>and while changing that, i think the boxes make more sense at the top
14:22<frosch123>the separation made sense when there was rail, mono and maglev
14:23<frosch123>but already with elrail it appeared weird, if i remember correctly
14:23<frosch123>with various rail compatibilities it is even more pointless
14:28<andythenorth>I find the UI weird for the railtypes
14:28<andythenorth>I always forget how to use that part
14:28<andythenorth>I tend to click engine/wagon a few times until I remember what to do
14:28<supermop>yeah
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14:36<andythenorth>with elrail it’s definitely weird
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14:45<frosch123>https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/autorepgui2.png <- placing them horizontally looks better
14:45<frosch123>what text to put into the left box for all railtypes?
14:45<frosch123>currently it says "rail vehicles", "electrified rail vehicles" and "narrow gauge trains"
14:46<andythenorth>does the railtype specify it?
14:46<frosch123>should i add "all vehicles"? or is that weird together with "engines" and "wagons"?
14:46<frosch123>andythenorth: yes
14:46<andythenorth>‘Any type’ ?
14:46<andythenorth>Any railtype?
14:46<frosch123>well, the other talk about the vehicles
14:46<frosch123>"any rail vehicles"?
14:47<andythenorth>PIPE adds ‘Pipeline Pumps’ iirc
14:47<andythenorth>:)
14:47<frosch123>also "any" or "all"? :p
14:47<andythenorth>perenial question of filter designers :P
14:47<andythenorth>it likely doesn’t matter, just be consistent with rest of game?
14:48<andythenorth>‘All’ is probably better here
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14:54<supermop>coke oven a little messed up
14:54<supermop>got pipes off the lot
15:00<andythenorth>I should draw that industry eh :)
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15:03<frosch123>https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/autorepgui3.png https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p1mdw196x?/p1mdw196x <- i like that behaviour
15:04<frosch123>showing all railtypes by default is way more intuitive than selecting some "most used" one
15:09<@Alberth>nice
15:09<andythenorth>+1
15:10<@Alberth>aren't there squirrel widgets that need to be changed too?
15:10<frosch123>yes, i excluded that from the diff
15:10<frosch123>i also excluded removing strings from all translations :)
15:11<@Alberth> ///< Type of rail tracks selected. INVALID_RAILTYPE to show all. <-- that needs a '#' in front of the literal
15:13<@Alberth>if (this->sel_railtype != INVALID_RAILTYPE && rvi->railtype != this->sel_railtype) return false; <-- correct, but bit complicated way of saying if (this->sel_railtype == INVALID_RAILTYPE) return true;
15:14<@Alberth>looks fine otherwise, to me
15:15<frosch123>how weird, the railtype is only used for engines, not for wagons?
15:15<@Alberth>you need shunting before you worry about that :p
15:16<frosch123>there are different wagons for narrrow gauge
15:16<@Alberth>and maybe not even that, any engine that can bring a wagon somewhere is by definition compatible with the tracks
15:17<andythenorth>looked like railtype support had been crowbarred in
15:17<@Alberth>you always do the minimum work to make a feature
15:17<frosch123>i removed that check
15:18<frosch123>filtering wagons by railtype is just like filtering engines
15:18<frosch123>the list is empty for electrified wagons
15:18<goodger>hooray!
15:18<frosch123>but you can always select "all railtypes"
15:18<goodger>this means I will no longer have to choose between Electrified Railway and Modern High-Speed Railway (Electrified)?
15:19<frosch123>andythenorth: i switched to playing short games before railtypes were added :)
15:19<andythenorth>:)
15:21<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r27683 /trunk/src (62 files in 5 dirs) (2016-12-08 21:21:39 +0100 )
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15:21<@DorpsGek>-Change: Rearrange the autoreplace GUI for trains, and do not filter it by railtype by default.
15:30<andythenorth>win
15:30<andythenorth>who says OpenTTD is dying? :D
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15:32<frosch123>i think over the weekend it is time to add roadtypes to vehicles
15:32<frosch123>all the construction stuff is done
15:32<frosch123>after the vehicles, there is only the horrible roadtype introduction and compatibility :p
15:33<andythenorth>nice :)
15:33<andythenorth>then I have to make some real grfs :P
15:34*andythenorth currently trying to automate most of the FIRS industry window extra text
15:34<andythenorth>world of substrings
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15:47<andythenorth>ha this is going to make loads of mess
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15:47<@Alberth>:D
15:47<andythenorth>but it will save a lot of pointless translation effort
15:47<andythenorth>and minor text bugs
15:47<Wolf01>Good
15:47<@Alberth>ah, making string changes in firs
15:47<@Alberth>+1
15:48<andythenorth>not sure how I’ll get the cargo units
15:48<andythenorth>but eh, ploughing on
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17:02<__ln__>John Glenn 1921-2016
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17:56<supermop>what
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18:23<supermop>they just renamed the airport in my home town after him
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