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03:25<andythenorth>o/
03:31<andythenorth>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8302/livestock-sam-versus-squid.png
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05:59<andythenorth>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8303/sam-reefer-vs-others.png
06:02<V453000>very fancy shits andythenorth
06:02<andythenorth>fancy
06:02<V453000>I feel like the bulk carrier has too dark bottom
06:02<V453000>but in general I really like
06:03<andythenorth>it has no shape eh?
06:03<V453000>yeah it's just all black
06:03<andythenorth>noted
06:03<V453000>one or two shades brighter might solve it easy
06:08<andythenorth>ok fixing
06:10<andythenorth>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8304/sam-bulk-improved.png
06:10<andythenorth>could be better, but eh
06:10<andythenorth>this is just to get general shapes
06:12<V453000>add 1 more shade at the top of the black
06:12<V453000>and it's great
06:13<andythenorth>not sure about the fridge ship
06:13<andythenorth>for realism reasons :P
06:13<andythenorth>such realism
06:13<andythenorth>house should be at the back
06:13<andythenorth>but meh
06:16<V453000>it looks nice
06:16<andythenorth>V453000: is it easier or harder working free of realism? o_O
06:17<V453000>I think in general it's easier to do, but harder to achieve something special and nice
06:17<andythenorth>Road Hog, I invented most of the trams
06:18<andythenorth>it was mostly easier
06:18<V453000>they be awesome, too
06:18<andythenorth>but it’s easier to get started by copying RL
06:18<V453000>I guess it depends
06:18<V453000>making the thing actually look good and convincing, can be harder
06:18<V453000>if you go for some really off the chain vehicles
06:18<V453000>well yeah, some degree of real world reference is probably always great
06:18<andythenorth>good and convincing is problem with ships
06:19<andythenorth>so big
06:19<andythenorth>nowhere to hide from the empty pixels
06:19<V453000>or anything x4 zoom :P
06:19<andythenorth>:P
06:19<andythenorth>easy solution is to add hatches and cranes
06:19<andythenorth>but then all ships start to look similar
06:19<andythenorth>purpose of new set is: All Ships Different
06:20<peter1139>well they do
06:20<V453000>well if you add them in various ways
06:20<V453000>also it doesn't mean every one needs to have the same crane, same colour of crane, or even have a crane at all
06:20<V453000>some ships can have teleporters or slug crew
06:21<andythenorth>is true
06:21<andythenorth>slug edition
06:21<andythenorth>need those big cows in the livestock ship
06:22<V453000>of that I have no doubt
06:23<andythenorth>– angle drawn for 5 ships
06:24<andythenorth>only another 35 more to go for freight ships :P
06:24<V453000>what do you mean angle, isn't it 3D?
06:24<andythenorth>yes, it’s 2D-3D
06:24<andythenorth>I use software that makes the other angles
06:24<V453000>:D
06:24<andythenorth>it’s photoshop :P
06:24<V453000>yez
06:24<andythenorth>I think there’s going to be some ignoring of lighting for the / \ angles
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06:24<andythenorth>flip :P
06:26<V453000>I did that many times
06:26<V453000>but yeah it isn't as nice as when you draw a new angle
06:27<V453000>one of my todo things is to write a rather robust script for converting 32bpp RGB into 8bpp
06:27<V453000>but doing it well, not like photoshop
06:28<V453000>let's see how I do ships after that
06:29<andythenorth>I reckon that the angles could be converted by downshifting the entire palette by 1
06:29<andythenorth>and drawing the vehicle carefully w.r.t shadows
06:29<V453000>:DDD
06:29<V453000>I think that would be way shittier than you think
06:30<andythenorth>ach it would
06:30<andythenorth>the light needs to flip to the opposite face
06:30<andythenorth>meh
06:31<andythenorth>I could do it by drawing more stuff in false colour, but that’s a headfuck to work with
06:37<Eddi|zuHause>draw the image in layers, so you can +1 one layer and -1 the other layer?
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06:58<andythenorth>that also
06:58<andythenorth>or masks for the faces
06:58<andythenorth>at some point it’s more work than just fixing them manually :)
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07:02<Wolf01>o/
07:11<andythenorth>lo Wolf01
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07:50<andythenorth>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8305/tanker-large-sam.png
07:50<andythenorth>tanker is too similar to freighter?
07:52<Wolf01>They share a lot pf particulars
07:52<Wolf01>*of
07:54<andythenorth>this is one alternative option http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8306/tanker-large-sam-alt.png
07:54<andythenorth>which is super-unrealism for a ship that lasts 1950-2050
07:55<andythenorth>but does look quite different eh
08:02<andythenorth>more options http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8308/tanker-large-sam-alt-2.png
08:02<andythenorth>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8307/tanker-large-sam-alt-3.png
08:02<andythenorth>tankers recolour by cargo to black / grey / CC / other colours
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08:23<andythenorth>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8309/tanker-large-sam-alt-4.png
08:23<andythenorth>probably that one
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08:27<Wolf01>Yeah better
08:31*andythenorth doesn’t like the big white roof on the livestock ship
08:31<andythenorth>but it looked bad in dark grey
08:31<andythenorth>problem for later :P
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09:10<Bobby>hello asll
09:10<Bobby>all
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09:56<Wolf01>andythenorth, rusty roof?
09:56<andythenorth>think it needs greeble
09:56<andythenorth>http://www.maltashipphotos.com/a/angus%20express%20underway%20@%20sea%20aerial%20xxx%20-%2009.04.2012.jpg
09:58<V453000>rust and green shit from the sea, etc would be great
09:58<V453000>What's not rusty, sucks ass. At least that's how it works in factorio
10:00<Wolf01>"A knight in a shiny armor is one that has never been in a war"
10:00<andythenorth>nah
10:00*andythenorth doesn’t want to weather the sprites :P
10:03<andythenorth>oh look, the FIRS Recycling Plant is on fire :o http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38489765
10:04<Mazur>V taking some copyright counteraction?
10:12<V453000>wat
10:13<andythenorth>@seen supermop
10:13<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: supermop was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 15 hours, 54 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <supermop> how long will you be in the US
10:15<__ln__>that's exactly what they ask at the airport
10:16<Mazur>THey never asked me that.
10:17<Mazur>QQuite possibly, because I never have, as I intend neither, sought flight to the USA.
10:38<Eddi|zuHause>they did ask me that back in 2000
10:39<Eddi|zuHause>i showed them my return flight ticket
10:39<Eddi|zuHause>he didn't really seem to be content with my first answer "about a week"
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10:49<Wolf01>And then they complain about EU rules when they give contradicting replies, they write tear dropping blog articles and so on
10:54*andythenorth needs someone to test unsinkable sam
10:54<andythenorth>it’s way not done
10:54<andythenorth>but I need an opinion on capacities
10:56<andythenorth>http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/unsinkable-sam/push/LATEST/
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11:13<Wolf01>o/
11:13<@Alberth>moin
11:15<andythenorth>lo Alberth
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11:18<@Alberth>hi hi andy
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13:09<andythenorth>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8310/flatdeck-barge-sam-vs-others.png
13:09<andythenorth>added a flatdeck barge
13:09<andythenorth>pretty much not realisms
13:10<andythenorth>but I want to match the trucks and trains :P
13:10<andythenorth>flatdeck airplane? o_O
13:11<sim-al2>Seems legit
13:13<V453000>nice flat dick
13:13<andythenorth>you have an accent
13:13<andythenorth>maybe south african
13:13<andythenorth>ships must match trams, eh? http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/road-hog/push/LATEST/docs/html/road_vehicles.html
13:14<V453000>I saw a new zealand/australia videa, not sure ... they mentioned deck many times, it didn't get old
13:14<V453000>they had big decks, too
13:14<sim-al2>The Airbus Beluga is probably as close to a flat-deck airplane as you can get
13:14<andythenorth>also such cargos
13:14<andythenorth>it will have cargo sprites
13:15<sim-al2>Well the various military airlifters also count
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13:34<andythenorth>edibleseses tanker http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8311/edibles-tanker-sam-vs-others.png
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13:41<andythenorth>ho
13:41<andythenorth>I’ve done all the main types :o
13:42<andythenorth>except pax, mail, supplies :P
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13:43<Wolf01>Ha! Researchers said that Titanic sank because a fire in the hold near the boilers, maybe coal autocombustion, which already started even before the departure
13:44<Wolf01>The fire weakened the structure then the iceberg did the rest
13:44<@Alberth>Nice livestock ship, andy
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13:48<@Alberth>http://www.mcdonoughmarine.com/drawings-and-resources.html this is a real flat deck barge
13:49<@Alberth>no small poles alongside the edge :)
13:51<@Alberth>http://horizonship.com/ship-category/barges-for-sale/self-propelled-barges-for-sale/
13:52<@Alberth>http://horizonship.com/ship/98m-lct-self-propelled-barge-2016-dwt-4788/ nice colours :)
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13:58*andythenorth looks
13:58<andythenorth>:)
14:12<andythenorth>I need a fruit ship probably
14:12<andythenorth>this one is…different :P
14:12<andythenorth>http://hawaiipacificnews.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/DSC_0421.jpg
14:14<@Alberth>a bananas boat, what more can you want? :)
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14:18<andythenorth>what snowline level is this? o_O http://www.railpictures.net/photo/601460/
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14:23<@Alberth>1 or so :)
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15:12<andythenorth>oops
15:12<andythenorth>cmd-~ doesn’t work in openttd :P
15:12<andythenorth>cycles windows in OS X :P
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15:12<andythenorth>is there a focus manager for windows? o_O
15:13<@Alberth>just run 1 application at a time :p
15:15<andythenorth>I mean inside ottd ;)
15:17<@Alberth>oh :D
15:17<@Alberth>it should have one, not sure how it works though
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15:39<Wolf01>'night
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16:30<@DorpsGek>__ln__: Zuu was last seen in #openttd 21 weeks, 5 days, 12 hours, 46 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <Zuu> Perhaps because it was "free" space near ground floor that you couldn't use for offices.
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