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05:26<Wolf01>o/
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09:39<supermop>yo
09:45<Wolf01>o/
09:49<supermop>hows it going Wolf01
09:50<Wolf01>Extremely bored
09:50<supermop>want to do my work for me
09:50<__ln__>would you be less bored if mode +c was removed from this channel?
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10:00<supermop>whoa general openttd forum
10:08<V453000>finally the forums showed their true colours
10:08<V453000>so that's why most of the posts make no sense
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10:19<Eddi|zuHause>my korean is a bit rusty
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10:29<supermop>i am sure they are all legitimate, productive posts Eddi|zuHause . no need to flag, just write a polite message in korean in each topic to gently suggest the poster respond in english
10:33<__ln__>that looks so much like spam
10:34<__ln__>in fact it is no doubt all spam
10:34<supermop>__ln__: how dare you sully the name of candida8994bhielle with your baseless accusations
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10:36<__ln__>only because he/she is probably spamming from the capitalist side of the border
10:36<LordAro>test
10:36<Wolf01>Test failed
10:36<LordAro>planetmaker: seems that did it :)
10:36<LordAro>weird
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10:37<@planetmaker>https://www.oftc.net/ <-- see news
10:37<LordAro>not sure where that came from
10:37<LordAro>ah
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10:41<@peter1138>oh yeah
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10:46<@Alberth>o/
10:58<Wolf01>o/
10:58<@planetmaker>o/
10:59<@Alberth>he, a planetmaker :)
10:59<@Alberth>long time no type :)
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11:01<@planetmaker>yeah... busy times, I guess :)
11:02<@planetmaker>been reading from time to time, though
11:03<@planetmaker>seeing another dive at roadtypes. And more sanity in the file scanner ahead?
11:03<@Alberth>ah, lurking :)
11:03<@Alberth>yep, that sums it up, mostly
11:04<@Alberth>although not roadtypes is close to finished, as I understand it
11:05<@Alberth>my aim is saner scenario file format, ie terkhen scenarios, but I get diverted a lot by other broken areas in the program
11:05<@Alberth>eg newgrf loading and tar handling :p
11:05<@Alberth>and file scanning was shuffled some while back
11:06<@planetmaker>aye... that's how it goes: going somewhere. And hitting stumbling stones to be moved out of the way as one goes :)
11:06<@planetmaker>Makes the journey longer. But hopefully not less enjoyable
11:10<@Alberth>yep :)
11:11<@Alberth>scenario file format has a few big holes too, however, so the journey is far from finished :)
11:14<@Alberth>My current problem is loading two different g/g.grf files from the tarfiles a/g.tar and b/g.tar
11:15<@Alberth>openttd has some trouble understanding that unique filenames is a myth :p
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11:27<@planetmaker>hehe :)
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13:12<andythenorth>o/
13:13<ZirconiumX>\o
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13:24<andythenorth>quak
13:24<andythenorth>supermop: http://www.railpictures.net/photo/602335/
13:24<supermop>nice
13:25<Wolf01>o/, quak
13:25<supermop>surprisingly good trackbed seen in cuba
13:25<frosch123>hoi
13:26<supermop>andythenorth: idea for 'none' economy in firs
13:27<@Alberth>hola
13:28<andythenorth>supermop: o_O
13:28<frosch123>good idea, then industries won't block player's construction
13:29<@Alberth>make them a single tile, in variations of transmitters :p
13:29<andythenorth>transmitter industry
13:30<@Alberth>sending out waves of cargo :)
13:31<@Alberth>clearly a light house would need light
13:31<@Alberth>or light bulbs
13:31<andythenorth>and lighthouse keepers
13:31<andythenorth>I nearly added a lighthouse industry
13:31<andythenorth>then I learnt not to
13:32<@Alberth>toyland industries :)
13:36<supermop>andythenorth: sugar -> rum distillery ->market
13:36<supermop>thats it
13:41<andythenorth>seems fair
13:41<andythenorth>mauritius economy also
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14:59<supermop>ugh forgot to key these molds i 3d printed
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15:13<ZirconiumX>My internet is not having a good day
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16:18<Wolf01>'night
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16:20<supermop>should get this chips road thing doe
16:20<supermop>done
16:25<andythenorth>dunno :)
16:25<andythenorth>is it fun for you?
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16:26<supermop>having the roads will make certain bits of game a bit neater
16:26<supermop>making newgrfs is never fun for me
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16:28<supermop>seeing things and thinking about them being a newgrf is fun
16:32*andythenorth likes actually making the newgrf
16:33<andythenorth>research can be fun, or a headache
16:35<V453000>wot
16:37<supermop>i dont like coding, usually i don't mind drawing unless it is something that will require a tedious amount to meet the minimum viable amount
16:37<supermop>i spent too much time in cuba thinking about how much of a pain it'd be to draw a cuba house grf
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16:45<andythenorth>wot
16:45<andythenorth>wot wot
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17:02<supermop>pastel colors, crumbled plaster, ornate details
17:02<supermop>all annoying to draw in 8bit pixels
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17:07<__ln__>watched Passengers (3D). better sci-fi than most sci-fi movies.
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17:14<Eddi|zuHause>i also watched it 3D, but i should probably stop doing that, i don't enjoy it
17:14<Eddi|zuHause>the movie was alright
17:14<supermop>i heard badreviews so i was going to skip it
17:14<__ln__>yeah, i don't think the 3D-ness added much to that movie
17:15<Eddi|zuHause>i heard about the reviews, but i can't really agree
17:16<supermop>i still havent seen star wars
17:16<Eddi|zuHause>it's certainly not a "you can't live if you haven't seen this movie" kind of thing, but it's not really bad
17:16<supermop>most recent movies i've seen are arrival and moonlight, both were good
17:16<supermop>Eddi|zuHause: i dont go see a bunch of movies each year anyway, maybe 2-3
17:17<Eddi|zuHause>rogue one has a few plot deficiencies in the first half of the movie
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17:18<supermop>i'll see rogue one if i and a few other people have a chunk of free time soon
17:19<Eddi|zuHause>i came out of the movie and the first news right after was that carrie fisher died.
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17:33<__ln__>isn't fusion reaction supposed to shut down on its own if something goes wrong?
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17:42<supermop>__ln__: depends on the reactor - it's quite hard to scram a thermonuclear bomb
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17:45<supermop>would also depend on the the nature of the 'something' that went wrong i'd guess
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17:51<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: fusion is not a self-sustaining chain reaction, if that's what you mean
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17:54<__ln__>that's what i mean
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17:54<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: most current fusion reactor designs are "pulsed", meaning they only work while you're constantly increasing some input energy, and when your capacity for increasing runs out, you must start from scratch because the reaction collapses
17:56<Eddi|zuHause>there's a different design that can run continuously, but researching that is not very focused right now
17:56<Eddi|zuHause>it involves some very complicated electric fields
17:56<Eddi|zuHause>look up "wendelstein-7" if you're interested
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17:57*__ln__ adds nuclear fusion to the list of topics suitable to get answers about on #openttd
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21:22<supermop_home>maybe I should have taken supermop_zuHause
21:23<Eddi|zuHause>without |?
21:23<Eddi|zuHause>how dare you
21:23<supermop_home>haha
21:24<supermop_home>the pipe separator does look nice
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21:27<supermop_home>walked past a yard of Long Island Railroad switches on fire last night
21:28<Eddi|zuHause>that does not sound healthy
21:29<supermop_home>someone had posted an image of it in forums recently I recall
21:29<supermop_home>was a freezing cold night with a lot of snow on the ground
21:42<supermop_home>Eddi|zuHause: here https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=46344&p=1181409#p1181409
21:48<supermop_home>eddi, did ddr produce any cars other than trabbi for export?
21:49<supermop_home>I was surprised athe the vareity of eastern bloc cars in Havana (thought it would all be Ladas...) but I saw no trabbis
21:50<Eddi|zuHause>there were basically two east german cars, Trabant and Wartburg
21:50<supermop_home>ooh, we never heard about wartburg in german class
21:51<supermop_home>if I saw any of those in cuba I did not recognize them
21:51<Eddi|zuHause>Trabant was the cheapest one, Wartburg was a bit more expensive
21:52<supermop_home>some of these 50s wartburgs look really nice
21:52<supermop_home>I like this green pickup:
21:52<supermop_home>http://www.fahrzeugbilder.de/1024/wartburg-353-w-trans--32576.jpg
21:53<Eddi|zuHause>no idea if you could actually get that, looks customized
21:54<supermop_home>http://img.index.hu/cikkepek/totalcar/tesztek/wartburg311/.gdata/cikk/wartburg311_003.jpg
21:55<supermop_home>the wrap over window on this is really nice, and the 2nd-tone stripe is nice, not in the typical shape that all other mid-50s two tone cars had
21:55<Eddi|zuHause>the sad thing about east german cars was that the production line basically froze in the 60s. they designed new models each year, but they never went into production
21:55<supermop_home>I did see a hacked together lada limousine with 6 doors
21:55<Eddi|zuHause>until it was too late, and the factories could not survive the currency shock of the 90s
21:56<supermop_home>Eddi|zuHause yeah bummer, I was wondering why the soviet bloc as a whole didn't aim to sell east german cars for export
21:57<supermop_home>it seems like they could have been sucessful in the non-aligned world or even parts of the west
21:57<Eddi|zuHause>that probably would have meant it would have been even more impossible to get a car in the east
21:57<supermop_home>true
21:58<Eddi|zuHause>i mean, you had like 18 years waiting time towards the end, so some people enlisted their newborn kids, so they could have a car at their 18th birthday
21:59<supermop_home>I also dont know enough about how the car factories were set up to understand how any profit from export would be distributed
21:59<Eddi|zuHause>loads of things were produced for export
21:59<supermop_home>but it seems if there was an export market, it would have been more palatable to raise the quota?
22:00<Eddi|zuHause>like, ikea stuff and so on
22:01<supermop_home>Eddi|zuHause yeah that's why I was so confused - it seemed to me that DDR would have been well situated to produce various consumer and specialist goods for export within and outside eastern bloc, so why not with cars
22:01<supermop_home>and why could you buy a lada in the us back then but not an east german car
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22:04<Eddi|zuHause>i don't really know a lot about economy, but within the eastern bloc there were often dedicated production roles, so only one country was allowed to build trams and stuff
22:04<Eddi|zuHause>maybe only one country was allowed to export cars
22:05<supermop_home>you mentioned once that all the computers came from Russia?
22:05<Eddi|zuHause>i don't think i said that
22:05<supermop_home>hmm ok
22:06<Eddi|zuHause>i might have said that i have leftovers from a crate where a (giant) computer was delivered to our university
22:11<supermop_home>damn google photos thinks all these cortados are lattes
22:12<supermop_home>it made a bunch of automatic albums categorized by the subject of the photo,
22:12<supermop_home>but it has a bunch of pictures of a river as an album called lakes
22:13<supermop_home>a picture of a cocktail as 'beer'
22:13<supermop_home>and a picture of a subway entrance as a 'skyscraper'
22:14<supermop_home>also a picture of a coffee in the 'trains' album
22:20<supermop_home>would you recommend buying TF or civ 6?
22:23<Eddi|zuHause>TF
22:23<Eddi|zuHause>wait till civ6 is 50% or 75% off
22:26<supermop_home>any particular reason to get it on steam versus just buying it on the website?
22:27<Eddi|zuHause>... if you want valve to get 30% of your money...
22:28<Eddi|zuHause>(disclaimer: i don't know the actual value)
22:28<supermop_home>hmm. what is steam workshop?
22:29<Eddi|zuHause>place where people can publish mods
22:29<supermop_home>if i can avoid steam annoying me by running all the time that's a positive in my book
22:29<Eddi|zuHause>i think you need to activate it on steam regardless
22:32<Eddi|zuHause>and if your only problem with steam is that it annoys you during the game, just disable the overlay
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