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02:58<NekoMaster>Are any Forum admins or mods around? We seem to have another Spam issue on the Forum Suggestions and Feed Back
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04:06<crem_>o/
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06:22<Wolf01>o/
06:22<crem>\o
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09:14<Wolf01>Nice wacom drivers messing up with everything known to humanity
09:26<@peter1138>woe and crapness, or mouse
09:33<supermop_>yo
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10:18<Wolf01>Without drivers seem to work better
10:19<Wolf01>The settings tool works, the pressure sensor works even better
10:19<Wolf01>Other softwares now work again, before they even failed to start
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10:25<Wolf01>o/
10:25<@Alberth>o/
10:25<supermop_>hi Alberth
10:26<@Alberth>extended super mop today :)
10:29<supermop_>work computer is constantly gaining or losing tail
10:30<Wolf01>Wut?
10:32<Wolf01>http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a37mv2v_460sv.mp4 transport fever
10:33<Wolf01>Too bad it is not really smooth like this... they stop continuously because fuck
10:35<Eddi|zuHause>now, if you could find the original of that, without the blatant ripoff and sexist comment...
10:37<Wolf01>Google can't help
10:38<supermop_>maybe i'll finally code roads today
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13:37<__ln__>Wolf01: so banning women from driving will result in the pedestrians' ability to pass through moving cars? as obviously happens at a few spots in the clip.
13:37<Wolf01>Yes
13:37<Wolf01>Because internet said so, not me
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13:42<andythenorth>o/
13:43<Wolf01>o/
13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27736 trunk/src/lang/italian.txt (2017-01-16 19:45:36 +0100 )
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from Eints:
13:45<@DorpsGek>italian: 1 change by lorenzodv
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14:21<supermop_>yo andythenorth
14:23<supermop_>ships adequately hyped?
14:25<frosch123>hoi
14:27<supermop_>yo frosch123
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14:28<supermop_>street trees adequately desired?
14:35<frosch123>https://hg.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/files/039923baa4a21c0f26e75c5ec84264c5658a2a38/sprites/png/landscape/landscape031.png <- i can also just use one of those
14:35<frosch123>or probably the hedges at the bottom
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14:38<supermop_>ooh
14:38<supermop_>stone walls and hedges would look very english
14:39<supermop_>palm trees for LA or hawaii
15:20<andythenorth>anyone know how railtype<->vehicle compatibility works? :P
15:21<frosch123>same as for roadtypes
15:22<frosch123>railtypes use the same labels as tramtypes
15:22<frosch123>so just imagine a tram track set
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15:35<andythenorth>I am trying to solve this guy’s problem https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1181661#p1181661
15:36<andythenorth>RTT looks like http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/entry/src/templates/railtype_table.pynml
15:36<andythenorth>I suspect I’m doing it wrong?
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15:38<frosch123>compatibility is defined by the railtype grf
15:38<frosch123>a vehicle only belongs to a single railtype by itself
15:39<frosch123>if a vehicle can drive on multiple track types, it is always the railtype grf's fault
15:41<andythenorth>I wonder if I’ve done the fallbacks wrong
15:41<frosch123>only ELRL is shared
15:41<frosch123>and it's the last type in the list
15:42<frosch123>if nutracks defines neither MTRO nor 3RDR, well, what should a horse do?
15:43<frosch123>ah, i guess nutracks provided 3RDR
15:43<frosch123>normal rail is compatible to 3RDR
15:43<frosch123>nothing wrong with that
15:43<andythenorth>dunno, I went by this https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/RailtypeLabels
15:43<andythenorth>NuTracks defines MTRO, allegedly
15:45<andythenorth>ok, well I can reply in the thread, thanks :)
15:47<frosch123>http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nutracks/push/LATEST/nutracks.nml <- no MTRO there
15:49<andythenorth>nope :)
15:49<supermop_>metro as railtype is stupid
15:50<supermop_>gauge of rail and type of traction are all you need
15:51<supermop_>nothing explicitly makes subway tracks metro-y
15:51<andythenorth>metro as railtype is…winningest
15:51<andythenorth>:P
15:52<frosch123>andythenorth: MTRO exists in revision 174 of nutracks
15:52<andythenorth>so it got recoded?
15:52<supermop_>i recall old nutracks debat about not allowing regular trains on metro or vis verse
15:52*andythenorth assumes
15:52<frosch123>apparently oberhuemer removed it
15:52<frosch123>andythenorth: apparently there was a nfo->nml rewrite
15:53<andythenorth>I for one applaud people who rip up compatibility :)
15:53<andythenorth>‘courage’
15:54<supermop_>its not up to the rail grf to enforce some kind of idea about propriety or balance of running metro trains on regular rail or regular trains on metro rail, unless you are going to make distinctions about loading gauge
15:54<supermop_>and forbid NYC subways from running on the same track as tube trains
15:54<andythenorth>the spec disagrees :)
15:55<andythenorth>I had a brief flash of understanding about the spec over christmas
15:55<andythenorth>it was all very clear
15:55<andythenorth>but then I forgot
15:55<supermop_>andythenorth: they should ship nutracks and 2cc trains as one grf if they want to enforce their ideas about metro
15:55<supermop_>P
15:56<andythenorth>oh I remember
15:56<frosch123>https://wiki.openttd.org/images/1/14/Nrt_example2_dot.png <- just draw variations of that image
15:56<supermop_>it would be a silly as some type of road that only very large trucks can drive on
15:56<frosch123>until people stop asking
15:56<supermop_>as
15:56<andythenorth>the spec must be driven by the idea that you load multiple train grfs
15:56<andythenorth>if that’s the ruling assumption, then the current spec is the only sensible approach
15:56<andythenorth>as the train grfs can’t possibly co-operate, so compatibility must be delegated to the railtype grfs
15:57<andythenorth>very logical
15:57<andythenorth>I might be talking rubbish though
15:57<supermop_>sounds all well and good
15:58<supermop_>if set 1 and set 2 have slightly different ideas about what a 3rd rail train is, that distinction should be lost when you play with them together though
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16:09<frosch123>i think the idea was that railtype people are weirdos who add 15 types of speed limits, while other people still want to play with a trainset
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16:22<Noy>hi there. I was wondering if there is someone here who could give me a bit of basic help with the Japanese train set gameplay wise. Rather do this through PM…. cuz I don’t want to ask nooby questions in public.
16:24<andythenorth>I’ve spoilt the Sam game
16:24<andythenorth>by posting actual evidence of a newgrf :P
16:26<Lejving>Noy, just ask, I'm sure nobody will judge you
16:26<frosch123>i thought you would discontinue it due to objective no 3
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16:26<andythenorth>I considered renaming it :P
16:26<andythenorth>due to objective no. 3
16:26<andythenorth>and calling anything ‘unsinkable’ is frowned on due to Titanic
16:27<andythenorth>http://www.historyonthenet.com/titanic/unsinkable.htm
16:28<Eddi|zuHause>hasn't stopped people from claiming "1000 year empires" and stuff
16:28<andythenorth>“nobody really called the Titanic “unsinkable” until after the ship had sunk"
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16:29<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: binary
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16:34*andythenorth bed
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