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#openttd IRC Logs for 2017-01-21

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02:22<supermop>oops I'm up too late
02:24<andythenorth>isn’t it
02:24<andythenorth>I am up too early
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03:11<andythenorth>hi Alberth :)
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03:45<Wolf01>Moin
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06:18<andythenorth>isn’t it
06:28<@Alberth>likely
06:28<@Alberth>bbl
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06:30<__ln__>someone should ask Alberth about his quit message the next time
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07:14<Wolf01>https://www.entroware.com/store/laptops/triton :o
07:18<andythenorth>such bargain price
07:21<Wolf01>http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a9W9GzD_460sv.mp4 parking ships... will unsinkable sam support it?
07:21<andythenorth>needs a patch
07:22<andythenorth>if there are slow pax ships and fast pax ships
07:22<andythenorth>why would you ever choose the slow one?
07:22<andythenorth>this newgrf sucks :|
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07:29<Wolf01>Make the slow one carry 10x more pax
07:31<Wolf01>If you can't make a vehicle appealing with speed, make it appealing with other things, like >90% reliability, huge capacity, nicer aspect
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07:36<andythenorth>the slow and fast will have same capacity :)
07:36<andythenorth>because...ships
07:39<Wolf01>Quak
07:40<Wolf01>I'm not convinced about over-realistic newgrfs :(
07:41<__ln__>over-realistic = more realistic than real life?
07:42<Wolf01>Yes, because in real life there's always the unexpected, grfs cherry pick some examples and make them the standard
07:43<Wolf01>Like vehicles should gain more speed and capacity with every new generation
07:43<Wolf01>I would make a fleet of small and quick vehicles in >2000
07:43<andythenorth>you think they should or shouldn’t? o_O
07:44<Wolf01>Or 5-6 vehicles per route with huge capacity
07:44<andythenorth>I tried that somewhat in HEQS
07:45<Wolf01>Not working good?
07:45<andythenorth>it works fine
07:45<andythenorth>but there’s no…what V would call a scheme
07:45<frosch123>hoi
07:46<andythenorth>quak
07:46<Wolf01>On each game I follow always a different scheme, because I'm curious and easily bored, so it will be a good thing to not have an imposed scheme for me
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08:33*andythenorth keeps the pax ships all same speed
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09:18<supermop>cargo age?
09:18<supermop>patch in possibility for ships to capsize
09:21<supermop>not related to ship size or anything
09:22<supermop>just a .01% chance your ship sinks for no reason
09:22<Wolf01>We have aliens, why not a kraken disaster?
09:22<__ln__>i guess that would be too realistic
09:23<supermop>and devs should stonewall when bug reports are made "i don't know what you're talking about" "you never had a Ship 5"
09:25<@Rubidium>what ship sunk for no reason?
09:26<__ln__>yes, stonewall exactly as Rubidium is demonstrating
09:27<@Rubidium>no, Schettino demonstrated the stonewall technique
09:28<@Rubidium>Smith demonstrated the same technique with ice though
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13:03<Wolf01>https://www.cheatography.com/miracoli/cheat-sheets/bitwise-operations/ Oh, this is interesting
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13:09<frosch123>Wolf01: did you find the error? :)
13:09<Wolf01>Nah
13:09<frosch123>there are two easy ones
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13:16<Eddi|zuHause>i don't know about "error", but the convert to lower/upper case ones need as precondition that the input is a letter
13:18<frosch123>nah, there are some twos too many in the multiply/divide by two
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13:20<@Alberth>hi hi
13:21<frosch123>hoi
13:21<frosch123>Alberth: you have some weird copy/paste quit message set up
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13:22<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: i only skimmed it, i must have missed those
13:23<@Alberth>I have?
13:24<Eddi|zuHause>Alberth: yeah, your last quit message was weird as hell
13:24<frosch123>[Friday 20 January 2017] [21:04:32] Part Alberth (~alberth@00015f9e.user.oftc.net) has left this channel (ISON thofkamp planetmaker LordAro b.geertsma@gmail.com dihedral ).
13:25<LordAro>that is a weird quit message
13:25<@Alberth>wow :p
13:27<@Alberth>disabled some "extra irc" plugin, please let me know if it happens again
13:28<Eddi|zuHause>well, you could try quitting :p
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13:28<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: how rude :)
13:28<Eddi|zuHause>how is that my fault? :p
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13:29<Eddi|zuHause>Alberth: no quit message this time
13:29<@Alberth>ok, that's better than, thanks for letting me know
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14:58<andythenorth>GarryG’s brain teaser :P
14:59<@Alberth>I only read the post where he quoted me, and I failed to understand why he did that completely
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15:01<frosch123>does auzind have some special type of hotel?
15:01<frosch123>or is there no context?
15:02<andythenorth>I think it’s context-free :)
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15:03<frosch123>well, i prefer the camel story
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15:06<frosch123>http://www.kidsworldfun.com/17-camels-and-3-sons-short-story.php <- in case you don't know it
15:07*andythenorth reads
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15:14<frosch123>http://trickofmind.com/2009/09/17-camels.html <- that's a better narration of the same thing
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15:18<andythenorth>neat eh?
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15:25<andythenorth>how fast should freight / mail / pax ships go?
15:25<andythenorth>there are 2 generations 1850 and 1950 or so
15:26<frosch123>mail ships :p
15:26<frosch123>Lejving: you should add some purpose for mail
15:26*andythenorth refrains from google images search
15:26<frosch123>mail is the most stupid cargo in the game
15:26<andythenorth>you know there’ll be an IRL example if I search :P
15:26<andythenorth>isn’t it
15:27<andythenorth>it’s not the most stupid _thing_ in the game though :)
15:27<Lejving>sounds like a good idea
15:27<Lejving>gotta make it fit the soylent theme :)
15:27<frosch123>just make it accepted by the power plant
15:27<Lejving>planetmaker came up with the idea of dropping pax to get oil (where does baby oil come from?) :D
15:28<Lejving>hmm yeah, I like the idea of destroying communications for energy needs
15:28<frosch123>Lejving: when "smooth economy" was added in ottd 0.3 or something there was a "bug"
15:28<frosch123>since smooth economy changed production rates of output cargos of industries independently
15:28<andythenorth>is smooth economy most stupid thing in game?
15:28<andythenorth>:)
15:29<frosch123>it also spawned independent news items for each cargo
15:29<frosch123>one of them was "oil rig increases passenger production by 23%"
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15:30<Lejving>:)
15:30<frosch123>andythenorth: anyway, since aircraft move a 1/4 of speed, maybe ships should move at 4x speed
15:31*andythenorth was considering 150% of reality :P
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15:32<andythenorth>4x is….a bold proposal
15:32<andythenorth>2x is pretty fair though :)
15:32<andythenorth>that’s about 35mph
15:32<frosch123>i think i played aircraft at 2/4 last time i used them
15:33<andythenorth>I have it at 1/1 I think
15:33<andythenorth>it’s one of those ‘wtf does this actually do?' settings
15:33<@Alberth>in the 90s' UK mail took a week across the channel
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15:34<frosch123>Alberth: italian mail took 4 weeks over the alps or so :)
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15:34<@Alberth>by boat??? :O
15:35<frosch123>ah, i guess that would explain it :)
15:35<@Alberth>rofl
15:35<andythenorth>it’s like that Herzog film :P
15:35<andythenorth>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitzcarraldo
15:36<frosch123>no idea, kinski is one of those people who you do not know for their movies
15:37<andythenorth> steam ship…same speed as a steam tram? Seems fair?
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15:38<@Alberth>nn
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15:39<andythenorth>bye Alberth
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15:51<andythenorth>how many pax for a ‘large’ pax ship? o_O
15:52<andythenorth>there are 3 or so smaller sizes
15:52<andythenorth>smallest is likely 30 or 40
15:52<V453000>666
15:52<andythenorth>nice
15:52<andythenorth>I like it
15:54<andythenorth>‘large’ mail ship: who needs to transport 720 bags of mail in one vehicle, ever?
15:54<andythenorth>V will now post proof of coop game doing that
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15:55<frosch123>there is usually more mail than valuables
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15:59<andythenorth>I think I messed with vehicle capacity for valuables, can’t remember
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16:09<V453000>andythenorth: barely any ship coop games, sorry :P
16:09<andythenorth>but ships are so not lame :P
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19:29<supermop_home>oof 7 hours of standing and walking outside on the street
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19:32<Eddi|zuHause>some people do that for fun
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19:32<supermop_home>usually in better shoes and with less standing still
19:33<supermop_home>I was doing lunges to stretch my legs after
19:33<supermop_home>couldn't move them much in such a packed crowd
19:33<supermop_home>should have worn warmer clothes too
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19:50<supermop_home>hmm I wonder whats going on with my work computer there
19:51<supermop_home>office internet always pretty iffy
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