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#openttd IRC Logs for 2017-01-24

---Logopened Tue Jan 24 00:00:15 2017
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05:12<Wolf01>o/
05:13<__ln__>hello telecomitalia
05:14<Wolf01>You meant "hello shitty isp"?
05:14<__ln__>dunno how shitty it is, never used
05:15<Wolf01>Usually I'm connected at 4Mbps and the download speed matches 1-2Mbps because the lines are saturated
05:16<__ln__>let me cheer you up with my own speedtest result: http://www.speedtest.net/result/5659412586.png
05:16<Wolf01>Lol
05:17<Wolf01>This night they reset their stuff and after that I was able to take a speedtest result of 4.93Mbps
05:17<Wolf01>Too bad it won't last
05:17<__ln__>is your 4Mbps ADSL2 or VDSL or something?
05:18<Wolf01>I have a 7Mbps ADSL2
05:19<__ln__>what's the nominal upload speed?
05:20<Wolf01>I think 500Kbps, usually I have 450
05:21<__ln__>admittedly that's a bit low by today's standards
05:21<__ln__>how much does it cost per month?
05:21<Wolf01>Too much, 32€/M
05:22<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: speedtests are often skewed because ISPs whose lines are saturated and do traffic shaping will prioritize them
05:22<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: like people tried downloading large files, and as soon as they opened an url with *speedtest* in the name, the download rate tripled
05:23<__ln__>Eddi|zuHause: quite possible, and the highest download speed i've achieved in reality is around 400 Mbps. (steam, and some other place)
05:23<Eddi|zuHause>Wolf01: when they switched us from 16mbit ADSL to 50mbit vdsl, the price went down by 5€
05:24<Wolf01>Steam downloads work really well, but I think they have some compression, it usually downloads at 480KB/s with peaks of 500KB/s
05:25<Wolf01>The problem here is the ping... >150ms is not acceptable
05:25<__ln__>Wolf01: what kinds of speeds and prices does telecomitalia offer in big cities?
05:26<Wolf01>In big cities they usually have FTTH, but I don't know the prices, no FTTH here so I never looked at that
05:28<Wolf01>You can have 20Mbps VDSL (which doesn't really work here) but for business, no offers for private
05:29<Wolf01>Oh, nice, 7Mbps costs only 22€/M but only for new customers
05:29<__ln__>are wireless 3G, 4G things popular over there, as the only internet connection at home?
05:30<Eddi|zuHause>Wolf01: usually, if you make enough noise, you can get the "new customer" bonuses as well
05:31<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: i don't know about italy, but in germany, these kind of wireless connections come with severe traffic limits
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05:32<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: like before we had 16mbit via phone cable, they offered us 16mbit via LTE, with a 5GB/month traffic limit
05:32<Wolf01>We have a WiMAX isp here, but I should call them to take a test here to be sure I can use them
05:33<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: that was at a time where i maxed out my land line with like 60GB per month
05:33<Wolf01>And finally they have a flat offer, because it was limited until last year
05:34<__ln__>over here, very sadly, 3G/4G seems to be the national strategy for providing internet access to people especially in less populated areas. some ISPs have data caps on those, some not.
05:34<Wolf01>And the price is 24€/M without the 30€/M lease
05:35<Wolf01>(because I'm paying 32+30€/M)
05:37<Wolf01>This is the only alternative I have: https://translate.google.it/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=it&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eolo.it%2Fhome%2Fcasa%2Finformazioni%2Fcome-funziona-eolo%2Ftecnologia-eolo.html&edit-text=&act=url
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05:55<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: yeah, but you live in a densely populated and well-developed country.
05:57<__ln__>finland is roughly the same size as germany, but only 1/16 of its population.
06:05<Eddi|zuHause>have you learned nothing? don't let facts get in the way of a stuopid argument
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10:21<@Alberth>o/
10:29<supermop_>yo Alberth
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10:41<@Alberth>hi hi
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12:24<supermop_>this internet is horrible
12:27<Wolf01>Yours? Read the logs about mine...
12:27<supermop_>i should just go work from home
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12:55<Lejving>how's the best way to either use openttd+ graphics (as in I don't have to write much new code for tiles and shit, just copy it) or how can I just make the graphics be what ever the user is using?
12:55<Lejving>like I just want to modify the power plant to also accept another cargo, but I have to change the tiles for that and that also changes the graphics
12:56<Eddi|zuHause>you can have the tiles refer to base graphics, i think
12:56<Lejving>that sounds good
12:56<frosch123>you need to make sure that you "override" the tiles
12:57<frosch123>and then just do not provide any graphics
12:57<frosch123>i think that should fall back to default
12:57<Lejving>yeah I didn't get get the override and substitute shiet
12:58<frosch123>substitute copies original data to your new tile
12:58<frosch123>override copies your new tile to original data
12:58<Lejving>hmm
12:59<frosch123>you always need "substitute"
12:59<frosch123>"override" is optional and rate
12:59<frosch123>*rare
12:59<Lejving>yeah was about to say, when I removed substitute it was gone
13:00<frosch123>hmm, you may not even need the override actually
13:00<frosch123>i guess it depends on whether you also replace industry layouts
13:00<Lejving>well see that's the problem I think
13:00<Lejving>because I couldn't figure out how to get the cargo working without adding new layout?
13:01<frosch123>i guess it's either "new layout" or "override tiles"
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13:04<Lejving>http://i.imgur.com/JuC9SI3.png
13:04<Lejving>this is without tilelayout
13:05<Lejving>the station won't accept new cargo :S
13:05<Lejving>so I add tilelayout -> I have to provide graphics also?
13:05<frosch123>"etwas kühl" <- i love spam that comes from a literal translation from english
13:06<frosch123>Lejving: tiles will default to the graphics matching the "substitute"
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13:08<Lejving>then my tilelayout code is wrong
13:13<frosch123>hmm, maybe there is a grf format limitation that prevents it from working ...
13:14<Lejving>http://pastebin.com/fRWN1G0x
13:15<frosch123>INDUSTRYTYPE_POWER_PLANT <- that is a industry type
13:15<frosch123>not a industry tile type
13:15<Lejving>lol
13:15<Lejving>even says so in the name
13:15<Lejving>how can it be clearer :D
13:16<frosch123>anyway, if you only want to change properties: definitely use the "override" solution without tilelayout
13:18<Lejving>then we're back to the problem of the station not accepting cargo
13:18<Lejving>http://i.imgur.com/JuC9SI3.png
13:18<Lejving>like this
13:18<frosch123>well, use the correct ids :)
13:18<frosch123>not industry ids
13:19<Lejving>allrighty then!
13:19<Lejving>*makes industrytile for every tile* lol
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13:31<Lejving>it seems to be working frosch123, ty (dunno if you saw before netsplit)
13:32<frosch123>nice :)
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13:32<Lejving>different sizes and animation is a later problem lol
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13:47<andythenorth>o
13:48<Lejving>\o
13:52<frosch123>https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Elektromobilitaet-Praxistest-von-Oberleitungs-Lkw-auf-zwei-Strecken-ab-Ende-2018-3605961.html <- andythenorth: notroadtypes
13:52<andythenorth>yes
13:52<andythenorth>Scania have it too
13:53<andythenorth>https://www.scania.com/group/en/worlds-first-electric-road-opens-in-sweden/
13:53<andythenorth>elroad
13:53<frosch123>scania is picture 4 at the bottom
13:53<frosch123>ah, even bigger picture :)
13:54<andythenorth>https://www.scania.com/group/en/worlds-first-electric-road-opens-in-sweden/
13:54<andythenorth>oops bad paste
13:54<andythenorth>http://hutnyak.com/ItalianTrolley.html
13:54<frosch123>well, electrified road within cities is nothing new
13:54<frosch123>but highspeed road is weird
13:55<andythenorth>ELHAUL http://www.womp-int.com/story/2011vol09/story024.htm
13:55<frosch123>:)
13:57<andythenorth>maybe I should add ELHAUL
13:57<andythenorth>just for larks
13:57<frosch123>ELHL
13:57<frosch123>EHAU
13:57<frosch123>EHUL
13:58<frosch123>EAUL is weird
13:58<andythenorth>ELHL
13:59<andythenorth>it’s a total novelty though :)
13:59*andythenorth resists it
14:01<andythenorth>frosch123: are you still keeping SV scores?
14:01<supermop__>ELDIRT
14:01<frosch123>i never did
14:01<frosch123>i kept ncg scores
14:01<andythenorth>oops :)
14:01<Lejving>tesla would've been happy in his pants if he saw those pics
14:02<andythenorth>SV seemed to work particularly well with paper in this economy http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html#arctic_basic
14:05<Lejving>now how come my toyland graphics are totally dun goofed outside of toyland :(
14:05<supermop__>toyland uses a different pallete
14:06<Lejving>oh god
14:06<Lejving>hey openttd graphics guy
14:06<Lejving>chris sawer jr
14:06<Lejving>you suck!
14:06<supermop__>foster
14:06<frosch123>supermop__: only for water
14:07<frosch123>and who uses animated water in industries?
14:07*andythenorth does
14:07<andythenorth>but can’t see it
14:07<supermop__>water factory?
14:07<andythenorth>ports :P
14:07<Lejving>foster should start foster me when I'm in feutal position crying in the shower
14:08<Eddi|zuHause>don't the oil rigs use animated water?
14:08<frosch123>Lejving: it's just the water :) don't believe everything on the internet
14:08<Lejving>:)
14:08<supermop__>no believe me. 1.5 million people came to my birthday party
14:08<andythenorth>palette animation is so 2004 anyway :P
14:09<supermop__>andythenorth: Toyland Extreme for Firs?
14:09<andythenorth>yes those are some words
14:09<andythenorth>you have put them into an order
14:09<andythenorth>but they don’t make sense to me
14:09<supermop__>alternate facts
14:09<Eddi|zuHause><frosch123> EAUL is weird <-- sounds like people making Arnold Schwarzenegger impressions
14:09<andythenorth>new economy: guns, boots, motorcycles
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14:10<supermop__>oil->plastic->legos->+ lego supplies ->lego sets -> Andy's house
14:10<Lejving>I have a .bat script that compiles and copies the new file to openttd
14:10<Lejving>I feel like a hacker
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14:11<Lejving>should apply for csi
14:11<andythenorth>supermop__: Andy’s house -> sold on facebook
14:11<andythenorth>Lejving: it all starts there :P
14:11<frosch123>yeah, .bat was amazing in 1990
14:11<supermop__>ebay industry
14:11<andythenorth>I used to have a copy-paste shell command
14:11<andythenorth>so I played a game yesterday
14:11<frosch123>then i learned that unix had better stuff 30 years before
14:11<supermop__>beech forest -> wood -> paint -> Brio
14:12<andythenorth>everything that needed to be better in my game….
14:12<andythenorth>…was in newgrfs I have made :|
14:12<supermop__>plastic+beech= thomas
14:13<Eddi|zuHause>i had so much fun with bat files
14:13<frosch123>andythenorth: sounds like the universe is always at fault
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14:13*andythenorth should make a new pony list post
14:13<andythenorth>ponies
14:13<andythenorth>- fix FIRS
14:13<andythenorth>- fix Sam
14:13<andythenorth>- fix Road Hog
14:13<andythenorth>etc
14:13<andythenorth>:P
14:13<Eddi|zuHause>i had a (humoristic/educational) book called "Batchman"
14:14<andythenorth>https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=46689&hilit=pony
14:14<Eddi|zuHause>which taught all kinds of weird tricks
14:14<supermop__>does humoristic mean was not actually humorous, but attempted to be?
14:14<frosch123>supermop__: it was probably a german book
14:14<Eddi|zuHause>https://www.amazon.de/Batchman-Fortsetzung-MS-DOSe-verschärften-Mitteln/dp/3893903291
14:15<Lejving>which I was a little bit older so I got to experience the commodore area
14:15<frosch123>andythenorth: the funny part of that list is that none of the "likely ones" happened
14:16<andythenorth>“and so we learn the perils of predicting the future"
14:16<andythenorth>“goals framework” was the one I’d have lost the most money on as a bet
14:16<andythenorth>I thought we’d never get that
14:17<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: drück die taste und ich haste
14:17*andythenorth invents some new ponies
14:18<Lejving>http://i.imgur.com/OE0HuxV.png
14:18<Lejving>what's up with the tracks
14:19<Eddi|zuHause>the person who made that book also made calendars
14:19<Eddi|zuHause>i think we had one for 1992 and one for 1994
14:20<Eddi|zuHause>hm... i don't know what changed, but in the past month i got as much spam as in the past 5 years combined
14:21<Lejving>you made enemies with a spammer
14:22<frosch123>did it became more entertaining at least?
14:23<Eddi|zuHause>no
14:28<andythenorth>did I miss any? o_O https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1181978#p1181978
14:28<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause: I have a nuclear solution to that
14:29<andythenorth>don’t read email
14:30<andythenorth>oh I missed ‘consist management’ off the list
14:30*andythenorth fixes
14:31<frosch123>andythenorth: s/SLD/SDL/ and you miss "station showing cargo amount according to 'throughput' instead of 'waiting'"
14:31<frosch123>or is the latter only an eddi thing?
14:31<andythenorth>ask Eddi|zuHause :)
14:31<andythenorth>I want to know when I’ve failed to provide enough vehicles
14:32<andythenorth>there is some irony in drawing all these cargos for CHIPS
14:32<andythenorth>and then aiming to never see them in a game :P
14:32<frosch123>anyway, i just thought yesterday that we need sdl2, harfbuzz and os cursors
14:32<andythenorth>cargo waiting = failure, andon, alert
14:32<Eddi|zuHause>the "planned cargo" is something like throughput
14:32<andythenorth>who’s the simutrans guy? Prissi?
14:32*andythenorth looks
14:33<Eddi|zuHause>yes, Prissi
14:33<andythenorth>https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1106260#p1106260
14:33<andythenorth>seems that SDL2 would be worse for everyone except me and snail
14:33<frosch123>well, i would hope that using sdl2 would not require removing sdl1
14:34<supermop__>throughput only seems valuable for the bikes parked outside of the station house?
14:34<frosch123>if not at runtime then at least at compiletime
14:34<andythenorth>oic :)
14:34<frosch123>also 2013-2017 can be a long time
14:34<andythenorth>these are things above my pay grade :)
14:35<andythenorth>although at the current £sterling exchange rate, everything is above my pay grade :P
14:35<supermop__>7 years since original pony post huh
14:36<supermop__>in 7 years i have released 1 buggy newgrf
14:36<supermop__>and that's it
14:38<Eddi|zuHause> <supermop__> throughput only seems valuable for the bikes parked outside of the station house? <-- the main problem is that cargo stations where you always have "full load" will always look empty
14:38<Eddi|zuHause>so you never see all the piles and stuff
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14:40<supermop__>Eddi|zuHause: it is a similar problem for the bikes though - the best served stations will have the fewest bikes locked up outside
14:41<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause: is your goal eye candy, or andon?
14:41<andythenorth>o_O
14:41<supermop__>i don't mind not seeing piles when none is waiting, but it would be cool to see more equipment at busy stations
14:42<Eddi|zuHause>supermop__: yes, things should look less deserted
14:42<supermop__>so a station could be empty tiles, and if a lot of coal passes through , you see more trucks, conveyors, spilled coal on the ground
14:42<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: what else other than eye candy are station graphics?
14:42<supermop__>even if not a huge pile you see evidence of coal handling
14:42<frosch123>busywork
14:42<andythenorth>visual indicator of failure
14:42<andythenorth>cargo waiting = I screwed up
14:43<supermop__>bikes outside = success
14:43<Eddi|zuHause>bikes, parking lots, whatever
14:43<supermop__>Eddi|zuHause: load speed malus for platform and building types?
14:43<andythenorth>this can be done without a spec extension?
14:44<supermop__>slow to load coal from metro platforms
14:44<Eddi|zuHause>supermop__: totally different category of issue
14:44<supermop__>station rating decrease to load passengers from a tipple
14:44<Eddi|zuHause>supermop__: the current station specs don't allow for changing any actual behaviour
14:44<supermop__>Eddi|zuHause: yes but amusing
14:44<supermop__>for some definitions of amusing
14:45<andythenorth>this strikes me as one of those innocuous sounding stories that totally change a game http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38737693
14:45<frosch123>[20:43] <andythenorth> this can be done without a spec extension? <- partly, you know some history, but not the amounts
14:46<andythenorth>you know the station rating?
14:46<andythenorth>and whether anything is waiting?
14:46<frosch123>you can check for cargo being accepted this months or last month
14:46<andythenorth>high rating, low waiting = high throughput (as a proxy)
14:46*andythenorth is making this up as he goes along
14:47<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: to me it sounds like the intro of an apocalyptic horror movie
14:47<frosch123>well, depens on whether you want to display incoming or outgoing cargo
14:47<supermop__>what if player is using FIRS 1 with 100% rating setting
14:48<frosch123>maybe stations should only use "time since last pick-up"
14:48<frosch123>and show various grades of old/rusty/broken
14:48<frosch123>decayed/..
14:49<supermop__>frosch123: that would be nice
14:49<frosch123>it's available, make a grf :)
14:49*andythenorth wonders how hard nml stations would be
14:49<frosch123>andythenorth: there is a devzone task with the spec :)
14:49<andythenorth>the nfo station spec is spectacularly odd
14:50<andythenorth>it’s just like nothing else in newgrf
14:50<andythenorth>‘everything you know is wrong’ :P
14:50<frosch123>iirc we made the nml spec so that it simulates the industry behaviour somewhat
14:50<frosch123>to make it less insane
14:51<andythenorth>I’ll amend the pony list
14:53<andythenorth>also from my test game
14:53<andythenorth>+/- 25% capacity refits on ships works
14:53<andythenorth>seems best solution to matching ship size to route
14:54<andythenorth>it’s a shame that it cannot be handled in station refit orders, even theoretically, but eh
14:55<V453000>omg NML stationsd
14:55<V453000>I'm all ears
14:55<V453000>CATS alive?
14:55<andythenorth>eh, it would need someone to do it :P
14:55<andythenorth>‘in 2017 I will mostly be making ships'
14:59<Lejving>now why the fuck is tortoise crying about authorization
14:59<supermop__>in 7102 Andy will still mostly be making ships
15:00<@Alberth>Lejving: trying to push to the devzone repo?
15:01<Lejving>y
15:01<@Alberth>do you have access rights?
15:01<Lejving>ask frosch123 !
15:01<Lejving>(yes I should have)
15:01<frosch123>i installed the public key
15:01<frosch123>his task to install the private one :)
15:01<Lejving>what kind of service is this?
15:01<Lejving>MY TASK?
15:02<@Alberth>hg can't find the private key thus :)
15:02<Lejving>I'm a paying customer!
15:02<Lejving>last time I used a repo was in like 2008
15:02<@Alberth>private key must be installed at your system :)
15:02<Lejving>thanks :)
15:02<Lejving>on it
15:10<andythenorth>supermop: by 7102 I’ll only be making automation of ships
15:10<andythenorth>by then, I might have automated the automation even
15:11<frosch123>in 7102 eddi will be mostly talking about state machines
15:11<supermop__>maybe you will have made an ai that plays the game and gets irked by something, then complains to the automaton that makes the automation that makes the newgrfs
15:13<frosch123>what if he already did that?
15:13<frosch123>and the ai also uses irc?
15:15<supermop__>i assume he has a robot built of lego, that then builds things out of lego
15:17<andythenorth>your assumption is a bit off-base :P
15:17<andythenorth>I have a 5 year old that builds things out of lego
15:17<andythenorth>which is quite different
15:17<andythenorth>I have a 6 year old that makes ottd feature requests also
15:18<supermop__>can you get the 5yo to automate ships?
15:18<Eddi|zuHause>are you sure that neither of those are AI?
15:18<andythenorth>dunno
15:18<andythenorth>hard to tell
15:18<andythenorth>are we all cyborgs? etc
15:19<andythenorth>I love strenuously outdated wiki pages https://wiki.openttd.org/Climates
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15:21<frosch123>andythenorth: i am not sure whether stuff that was already false in the past is now outdated
15:21<andythenorth>that is a fair point
15:21<andythenorth>“The Sub-tropical climate is not as popular as the temperate climate as the choice of trains in Sub-tropical is the same as it was in Sub-arctic."
15:22<Eddi|zuHause>i'm sure whoever wrote that had sophisticated evidence to make that claim
15:22<Eddi|zuHause>he just did not cite his primary sources correctly
15:23<Lejving>[citation needed]
15:23<+michi_cc>It's called alternative facts now.
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15:24<supermop__>1.5 million trains are available in sub-tropic
15:25<frosch123>most text was written by boris
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15:30<andythenorth>so game is pretty good
15:31<andythenorth>if we had more developers, we could do some satisfying version 2.0
15:31<andythenorth>deleting many many features
15:31<Lejving>why is no files showing up on my project page now <.< it gave me no errors
15:32<andythenorth>…but if we had more developers we’d never agree on what to delete :)
15:32<Eddi|zuHause>Lejving: did you add any?
15:32<Lejving>yes
15:32<Eddi|zuHause>did you commit and push them?
15:32<Lejving>yes
15:32<Eddi|zuHause>are you sure?
15:33<Lejving>no
15:33<Lejving>:D
15:33<andythenorth>Lejving: what’s the url to the project page?
15:33<Lejving>https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/soylent
15:33<andythenorth>yeah repo is empty
15:34<andythenorth>what does ‘hg st’ tell you?
15:34<Lejving>! x.c
15:34<andythenorth>lawks :P
15:35<Lejving>dafuq is lawks?! :D
15:35<andythenorth>means I have no idea
15:35<Lejving>all files are green, I just commited, I just pushed, I just syncrhonized, I just cried
15:36<Lejving>can't remember it was this much of a problem last time I was gonna use a repo, that was svn though
15:36<Lejving>and almost 10 years ago, I must be getting old or something
15:36<Lejving>yeah let's blame age
15:37<Eddi|zuHause>did you push to the right location?
15:37<Lejving>probably not
15:37<Eddi|zuHause>did you push the right branch?
15:37<Lejving>hopefully
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15:41<frosch123>the reposiory is empty on the server
15:41<frosch123>but it has a timestamp from 8 minutes ago
15:41<Lejving>my perma headache I've had last week isn't getting better :D
15:42<andythenorth>using tortoise or something?
15:42*andythenorth at risk of teaching grandma to suck eggs...
15:42<andythenorth>…hg is different to svn
15:42<andythenorth>have to add new files, then commit, then push
15:43<andythenorth>it’s appears to be common to forget the ‘add’ part
15:43*andythenorth does it a lot at least
15:43<Eddi|zuHause>well, i did ask in exactly that order
15:44<andythenorth>you did
15:49<frosch123>now the repo seems to grow in size
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15:51<frosch123>Lejving: random guess. you added the compiled .grf file, and devzone rejects the push because of that
15:51<Lejving>yes
15:51<Lejving>yes I did
15:51<andythenorth>no compiled files in repo :)
15:51<Lejving>:)
15:52<Lejving>haters
15:52<Lejving>ty
15:52<andythenorth>you need .hgignore file
15:52<andythenorth>not all of this is useful http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/road-hog/repository/entry/.hgignore
15:52<andythenorth>but that’s one of mine
15:52<andythenorth>way too much python / OS X stuff there for you though
15:52<frosch123>latest xkcd seems to fit :)
15:53<frosch123>andythenorth: how many phone numbers do you have?
15:53<andythenorth>yes
15:53<frosch123>more or less than email addresses?
15:53<andythenorth>yes
15:53<andythenorth>it is a very true xkcd
15:54<andythenorth>next-of-kin of my employees often get work texts from me
15:54<andythenorth>as do people they have sold their phone to
15:54<andythenorth>when my wife calls, my phone thinks I’m calling myself
15:54<frosch123>you sell phones together with their number?
15:54<andythenorth>I don’t :P
15:55<andythenorth>seems that some people do
15:55<andythenorth>apparently
15:55<andythenorth>that xkcd doesn’t even account for apple imessage
15:55<andythenorth>which is spooky magic
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15:56<andythenorth>I should put this one in Sam https://xkcd.com/1788/
15:59<Lejving>holy fuck I got files
16:01<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: call it the Munroe Barge?
16:02<frosch123>this container ship can load a lot
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16:02<frosch123>but the loading bay becomes unuseable after some time
16:03<andythenorth>:p
16:03<Eddi|zuHause>back in the '90s we had a large drawing in our computer science room, involving a "write only memory"
16:04<frosch123>it's called "bad hand writing"
16:05<Eddi|zuHause>i think it was depicted as a crocodile eating the packages
16:05<supermop_>hopefully internet now fixed
16:06<Eddi|zuHause>you fixed the WHOLE internet?
16:06<frosch123>supermop_: it will take some iterations until the new firewalls are setup
16:06<Lejving>nice no wonder why it wasn't working
16:06<Lejving>the internet wasn't working
16:07<supermop_>from my point of view the internet is: my computer - switch in the server closet - outside world
16:08<supermop_>the nuances of that last item are academic as far as i am concerned
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