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03:03<@peter1138>yeah but is it only trains? :(
03:09<crem>I wish it also had submarines! There was no good submarine sim recently. Actually, the only decent sims don't run under modern oses. :(
03:10<@peter1138>dosbox
03:11<crem>Nope, it's not for dos. It's for windows with 16-bit color mode. And windows starting from 8 doesn't support that.
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03:23<@peter1138>virtualbox then
03:26<crem>too much hassle
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05:11<Wolf01>Moin
05:15<__ln__>'qapla
05:46<Wolf01>https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/01/gitlab_data_loss/ <- good job
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06:10<@peter1138>good job git is decentralised
06:11<@peter1138>(of course this issue wasn't about the repos)
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07:13<__ln__>Wolf01: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0hPGerSd4
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09:25<Wolf01>Mmmh, minecraft command blocks are evil
09:40<V453000>Do you even automate?
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09:55<supermop__>no one makes a good looking case for surface book
09:56<Wolf01>V453000, that's what I'm trying to do
09:58<V453000>hardar
09:58<Wolf01>Heh
09:58<Wolf01>It's already a pita to make it do something when a test fail
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11:55<dihedral>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GCK53YDcBWQveod9kfzW-VCxIABGiryG7_z_6jHdVik/pub
11:55<dihedral>was this yorick?
11:55<dihedral>:-D
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12:30<@Alberth>:p
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13:06<Lejving>I'm trying to load very old save files, and it gives me error sometimes... is there a mode or setting or anything that I can use to like load even with errors?
13:06<Lejving>all info I need from the game is signs
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13:18<@Alberth>errors as in missing newgrf?
13:18<@Alberth>if so, find the newgrf :)
13:23<Lejving>no errors as in game errors
13:25<Lejving>http://i.imgur.com/rYg6nW4.jpg
13:26<Lejving>bamboo-agent-home
13:26<Lejving>dafuq
13:26<Lejving>:D
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13:28<@Alberth>o/
13:29<frosch123>hoin
13:29<Lejving>sup frosch123
13:29<Lejving>http://i.imgur.com/rYg6nW4.jpg what's up with this frosch123
13:29<Lejving>I'm trying to load old save files
13:31<+glx>maybe too old and needing more than one conversion
13:32<Lejving>well it uses some weird ass folder that I don't even ahve on my computer
13:32<Lejving>so dunno wtf is up with that
13:32<frosch123>Lejving: if you want an easy solution, try loading it with an intermediate old version of ottd first
13:33<frosch123>when that loads, resave with different filename and climb up the versions
13:33<+glx>anyway error when loading some stuff in a pool, can be related to vehicles, industries, towns, ...
13:33<V453000>oh ancient saves
13:34<+glx>you could check savegame version with the right debug level I think
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13:36<Lejving>guess this'll have to wait :)
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13:44<+glx>just start openttd with -dsl1 before trying
13:44<+glx>and it should say "Loading savegame version xx"
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13:49<andythenorth>o/
13:49<Eddi|zuHause>http://www.zeit.de/wissen/geschichte/2017-02/adolf-hitler-chancellor-appointment-anniversary
13:49<supermop__>yo andy
13:51<andythenorth>lo
13:52<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause: if we’re playing pseudo-twitter here :) http://www.iq.harvard.edu/files/iqss-harvard/files/11-13presentation.pdf
13:53<andythenorth>it’s probably on-topic even :P
13:56<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: this article is more about about how the conservative forces backed hitler's grab for power, not believing all the racist and whatever talks he gave, and expected to be able to control him once he was in power
13:56<andythenorth>I read it :)
13:56<andythenorth>the counter example is Mussolini
13:57<andythenorth>over time, history will tell us which is the more incorrect analogy
13:57<andythenorth>:)
13:57<andythenorth>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini#Dismissed_and_arrested
13:57<Eddi|zuHause>history tells lots of things, most of them untrue
13:58<Eddi|zuHause>or highly exaggerated
13:58<andythenorth>my point was we won’t know until it’s history, but yes
13:59<andythenorth>the default expectation is that extreme politicians are operating overton window
13:59<andythenorth>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
13:59<andythenorth>whereas Bannon (via Trump) has removed the window
14:00<andythenorth>and is simply implementing the previously unthinkable
14:02<andythenorth>hmm
14:02<andythenorth>does looking at train photos resist fascism, or enable it?
14:02<andythenorth> :P
14:03<Eddi|zuHause>there exists an unhealthy dose of everything
14:03<supermop__>andythenorth: idioms would suggest enable
14:04<supermop__>presumably you need the train to be there at the expected time to photograph it
14:04<andythenorth>fair point
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14:05<Eddi|zuHause>does fascism make trains more on time?
14:05<supermop__>likely no but colloquially people, seem to think it does
14:07<supermop__>so someone wanting to see train photos may subtly be nudged towards being more accepting of a paradigm in which 'common sense' feels like may produce more effiecient running of trains
14:07<Eddi|zuHause>well, i visited a german train forum once, and it was filled with right-wing people
14:08<andythenorth>subjectively, train fans are more likely to have voted Brexit :P
14:09<berndj>what distance matters in determining cargo rates - manhattan, cartesian, or route distance?
14:09<supermop__>andythenorth: sort of the basis of my thinking there
14:09<supermop__>and here as well
14:09<Eddi|zuHause>manhattan distance between the station signs
14:09<supermop__>i consider myself to be more of a fan of the tracks rather than the trains
14:09<supermop__>for various reasons
14:09<berndj>ah so that's why going diagonal is apparently so profitable?
14:10<Eddi|zuHause>yes
14:10<berndj>pity it uses up so much land!
14:11<berndj>andythenorth: "defenestration"!
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14:14<Milek7_>in my country unregistered sim cards will stop working tommorow :(
14:15<Eddi|zuHause>berndj: defenestration is so 17th century...
14:15<frosch123>were there ever unregistered sim cards here?
14:16<Eddi|zuHause>Milek7_: all that will do is create a black market for registered-to-someone-else sim cards?
14:18<berndj>ok i'm giving in to the craving, playing a little game
14:18<Milek7_>probably yes
14:19<berndj>Eddi|zuHause, here in south africa it's a totally open secret that you can just walk in and buy "pre-registered" cards
14:19<Milek7_>or maybe imported from other ue country where registration is not required
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14:19<berndj>maybe not from the big-name stores, but from the spaza shop type cell phones / accessories / repairs shops
14:20<Milek7_>s/ue/eu/g
14:26<__ln__>'unregistered' as in something you can buy anonymously without providing your name or other details?
14:26<Eddi|zuHause>yes, that's what that means
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14:29<__ln__>i've had one or two of such over the years
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14:31<Eddi|zuHause>i've only ever had 2 sim cards, one my parents had to show their ID for, and one that my boss gave me (and runs on the company's name i presume)
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14:33<frosch123>my second sim card expired yesterday or so
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16:19<supermop_>my sim card is for a state i no longer live in, so its hard to call my senators
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16:34<Eddi|zuHause>how that? they filter for numbers with their own area code?
16:35<Eddi|zuHause>that's easier in germany, because cell phones have special area codes not actually associated with an area
16:35<supermop_>harder to convince them that you are actually their constituent and not just someone in a different state
16:36<Eddi|zuHause>obligatory reference https://xkcd.com/1129/
16:37<supermop_>although i guess my 'home' state senator is more of swing vote than my current state
16:37<supermop_>Eddi|zuHause: unfortunately my first three are for pre-2003
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16:38<supermop_>2003-2008 was a different state than then or now
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16:39<Eddi|zuHause>supermop_: what? a random comedic drawing does not accurately represent the whole world?
16:39<supermop_>its a huge existential crisis!
16:39<Eddi|zuHause>i'm shocked. SHOCKED.
16:39<supermop_>how will i go on
16:40<supermop_>also randall and i are of similar age, younger people will have a different pattern
16:40<supermop_>even more shocking
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17:49<supermop_>maybe there should be a base set lit as in late afternoon early evening instead of night or 10 am
17:49<supermop_>everything looks good 4-6pm
17:51<supermop_>golden hour base
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17:54<Wolf01>http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee502/conameche/Super/008_zpsmrlfxiex.jpg something odd here
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18:54<markasoftware>can trains be more profitable than planes?
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19:18<_dp_>markasoftware, yes, but you either need plane/train newgrf or some finicky setup
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19:33<Wolf01>'night
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20:06<supermop>maybe I should make a title game entry
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