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05:18<Wolf01>o/
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05:40<@Alberth>o/
05:44<andythenorth>moin
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05:48*andythenorth such hog
05:54<@Alberth>feeling hoggy today? :)
05:55<andythenorth>had a feature request
05:55<andythenorth>that I can d
05:55<andythenorth>do *
05:58<@Alberth>jolly good
05:58<andythenorth>unusual tbh
05:59<@Alberth>ones you can do? yeah :)
06:00<andythenorth>sieze the chance eh? :)
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06:33<andythenorth>oops
06:33*andythenorth learns about circular dependencies
06:34<andythenorth>self.model_life = replacement.intro_date + replacement.model_life :P
06:34<andythenorth>doesn’t scale so well
06:34<andythenorth>not quite circular, but eh
06:38<andythenorth>anyone play with expiring vehicles?
06:38*andythenorth doesn’t, but is adding support for it to Road Hog
06:39<Wolf01>I play with all but disasters
06:39<@Alberth>it's not circular indeed
06:39<andythenorth>it’s just some kind of horrible branching
06:39<@Alberth>I do play with vehicle expiration on
06:40<andythenorth>feature request was to keep current + previous generation available at all times
06:40<andythenorth>which is trivial code, if a bit ugly :)
06:40<@Alberth>current is trivial :p
06:41*andythenorth tests
06:41<@Alberth>"all times" seems a bit overstretched
06:42<andythenorth>it wasn’t a demand, just loosely expressed :)
06:42<@Alberth>it'd be fine to remove old stuff after you have had enough opportunity to replace
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06:43<@Alberth>nuts uses 255 year, which basically means I have to hide all old crap manually :p
06:43<@Alberth>may or may not be a bad thing :p
06:44<andythenorth>hmm, this version is buggy
06:44<andythenorth>sometimes no model of a specific type (pax tram for example) isn’t available
06:45<@Alberth>clearly no demand for public transport in that era :p
06:47<andythenorth>whenever I try to set model life, I encounter regret :)
06:47<andythenorth>it never works reliably
06:48*andythenorth needs to set retire_early prop
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07:19<andythenorth>_probably_ done
07:33<Wolf01>Just overlapping availability with dates doesn't work?
07:36<Wolf01>I don't like too much stuff on purchase list, specially when I use 3 vehicles over 20 available, and hide the ones I don't use is boring
07:36<Wolf01>I would like more some "keep this vehicle in production" flag :P
07:44<andythenorth>there are shenanigans due randomisation of model life
07:44<andythenorth>openttd adds a random amount
07:44<andythenorth>and for intro dates also
07:44<andythenorth>so it’s a moving target
07:44<andythenorth>:)
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07:48<@Alberth>you change to a new generation for all engines at the same time, so there are a lot of new engines suddenly
07:48<@Alberth>while if you change each engine separately, the problem of temporary having 2 similar engines is less worse
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09:12<Wolf01>https://www.packtpub.com/packt/offers/free-learning <- Mastering Object-oriented Python if somebody is interested
09:14<@Alberth>doesn't even provide a TOC
09:15<Wolf01>Oh, there is, but you have to redeem the free ebook on your account first
09:16<Wolf01>https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pk043pvyq <-
09:19<@Alberth>thanks
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09:38<Wolf01>Too bad most of the free ebooks are ancient, like the ones or php4 or 5 :/
09:39<Wolf01>At least this is for python 3
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09:47<@Alberth>likely it's simpler to read the python tutorial at docs.python.org
09:48<@Alberth>lots of the stuff in the book isn't about "mastering object-oriented", it's more "using objects"
09:49<Wolf01>Clickbait titles :P
09:49<@Alberth>:)
09:50<Wolf01>That's why I always wait until something free shows up
09:50<Wolf01>I won't spend 40€ for a book which is worse than a tutorial
09:51<@Alberth>serialization doesn't even address versioning, and loading old objects, judging from the TOC
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10:20<andythenorth>new Hog done
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10:25<@Alberth>haven't finished the old one yet :)
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10:31<supermop>yo
10:41<@Alberth>o/
10:52<V453000>yo humanz
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12:15<__ln__>https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827867311054974976
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13:38<andythenorth>is it ottd time?
13:41<andythenorth>Silicon Valley with FIRS Steeltown? o_O
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13:58<andythenorth>“you have a secret weakness for coke” :|
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14:07<milda>__ln__: Todays tantrum?
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15:58<Lejving>https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=73182
15:58<Lejving>did this ever get implemented?
16:04<V453000>not that I know
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18:16<Wolf01>'night
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