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---Logopened Thu Apr 13 00:00:06 2017
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03:27<Wolf01>o/
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03:31<@peter1138>need to stop being so tired :S
03:32<Wolf01>Sleep more, or less
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03:46<Wolf01>Me creator update kicked in
03:46<Wolf01>*meh
03:46<Arveen2>assimilation in progress
03:47<Wolf01>It assimilated all the possible download band now
03:47<Arveen2>hehe
03:48<Wolf01>Even irc works because he can find a spare bit every now and then
03:48<Arveen2>i downloaded the ISO and will do a clean install over the easter holidays i think
03:49<Wolf01>I'm thinking to do a clean install since redstone, but looking at how much I need to re-download for VS...
03:49<Wolf01>With a 3M ADSL is discouraging
03:59<Arveen2>which version of VS you useing ?
04:00<__ln__>*using
04:00<Wolf01>2015, but I wanted to install 2017 too
04:01<Arveen2>nice. i also got 2015 and was thinking to move on to 2017
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04:12<@peter1138>monodevelop ftw
04:16<Arveen2>what do you think about eclipse ?
04:16<@peter1138>Java.
04:17<Arveen2>i used that ages ago for c++
04:18<@peter1138>I just use vim for c++ :)
04:18<Wolf01>Does it have intellisense?
04:19<@peter1138>can do if you can be bothered to set it up with the right plugins and library versions...
04:19<__ln__>is there a computer built so far, powerful enough to run eclipse?
04:19<Arveen2>:D
04:19<Wolf01>I already have some difficulties to save and close with vim, I use nano
04:20<@peter1138>esc :wq
04:23<Wolf01>Yeah, esc... I don't know why I keep forgetting it
04:25<Arveen2>this editor is more complicated than putting a regex together :P
04:25<Wolf01>Let's talk about it
04:27<Wolf01>I have to study the entire system when I need to write a regexp, and I usually resort to search stackoverflow for something already done which I need to finetune
04:27<Arveen2>no doubt. i went to a power shell training 2 weeks ago and the hardest part was the regex day
04:29<Wolf01>For example there are people I know who parse webpage and extract the results with a single regexp (which never works well)... I parse the page with dom functions and then get the single strings with the regexp
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06:20<Wolf01>https://forum.systemera.net/uploads/monthly_2017_04/b82EUTW.jpg.e400e0d238f562c0945e0afaf43b5735.jpg lol... fuel factory
06:23<@peter1138>I need to boot into Windows some time...
06:26<Wolf01>Nice, next patch will add harvesting without terrain modeling
06:28<Wolf01>https://www.twitch.tv/videos/135145618
06:28<Wolf01>Skip some minutes at the beginning
06:30<@peter1138>ruins the game!
06:32<Wolf01>I'll expect inserters to load fuel tanks on spaceships... that will ruin the game :D
06:34<Wolf01>Oh, I'm going to run the Win10CU, I hope it will not take the entire day :P
06:34<Wolf01>BBL
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07:12<Arveen2>what game is this ?
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07:36<Wolf01>Back... mmmh, nothing changed yet, I don't feel any superpoweer
07:36<Wolf01>*-e
07:37<Wolf01>:ooo paint3D
07:37<V453000>shit3D
07:39<Wolf01>Ok, drew little cock, now I'm happy
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07:40<Wolf01>http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/r2d/images/9/94/2216072-Proud-looking-magnificent-rooster-Stock-Photo-cock-fighting-rooster.jpg this one
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07:43<V453000>almost half the size of mine
07:43<Wolf01>Ehehe sure
07:48<Wolf01>I should be able to upgrade the linux kernel now
07:49<Wolf01>Mmmh, dist still stuck at 14.04
07:55<Wolf01>Upgrading ubuntu
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07:58<Arveen2>wolf - what game was that screenshot you posted earlier ?
07:58<Wolf01>Astroneer
08:02<Arveen2>you like it ?
08:02<Wolf01>It's a good game and has a lot of potential
08:04<Arveen2>its still early access right ?
08:04<Wolf01>Yep, pre-alpha
08:07<Arveen2>looks interesting
08:08<Wolf01>Not much to play at the moment but it gives you some funny hours
08:09<Arveen2>i added it to my watch list heh
08:21<Wolf01>Ok, ubuntu subsystem updated to 16.04
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11:05<@Alberth>o/
11:07<Wolf01>o/
11:07<LordAro>/o
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11:18<Wolf01>https://xkcd.com/1823/ ha!
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11:42<Wolf01>Quak
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11:43<frosch123>moi
11:50<@Alberth>o/
11:50<Arveen2>that xcd reminds me of http://img01.lachschon.de/images/203221_Versteheichnicht_Rz7crj4.jpg
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12:02<Eddi|zuHause>Arveen2: your alternative facts are invalid, because it doesn't have the most bestest windowses of all, ME and Vista
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12:05<Wolf01>I bet V is writing FFF
12:06<Wolf01>Ops, not friday :(
12:06<Arveen2>today counts as Friday for me
12:06<Wolf01>Eh, for me too
12:06<Wolf01>I keep losing days
12:07<Wolf01>Btw, he should write one, last one was on march
12:07<Arveen2>i still need to go shopping for the holidays ...
12:08<Wolf01>Also my lego order has shipped
12:08<Arveen2>what have you ordered ?
12:08<Wolf01>Some ninjago for the parts
12:08<Wolf01>Some... like 190€
12:09<supermop>i read that as 'for the pants'
12:09<supermop>like you spent 190eur just for ssome lego legs
12:09<Arveen2>hahaha
12:10<Arveen2>my favorite is Blacktron
12:10<Arveen2>the black/yellow one
12:10<Eddi|zuHause><Arveen2> i still need to go shopping for the holidays ... <-- don't... shops look like everyone is shopping for the end of the world
12:10<Wolf01>It could be even a good order, 190€ of legs which are useful for various stuff, like mecha hands
12:11<Wolf01>I need to purchase some pasta :(
12:11<Wolf01>Maybe even butter
12:11<Arveen2>yeah, we want to go like really late. i been to a Lidl during my lunch break and it was like its judgement day
12:13<Wolf01>Eh, I need to go to lidl too
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12:36<quiznilo>whoever did that skycrane newrgf, that thing is badass
12:37<quiznilo>ships with av8 I think
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12:46<fredcwbr>Hi there,. since I don't know where to start, would like to ask about some issues while playing ottd.
12:46<Wolf01>Oh, we are plenty of issues if you want some :D
12:47<quiznilo>aircraft are OP, nerf 'em
12:47<fredcwbr>I'm using 1.6 Debian linux version., and was wondering if there is some GRF or other that would enable a train to have orders by there railstock,.,
12:47<fredcwbr>or different orders to each wagon in the composition, .
12:47<Wolf01>No, that's not possible
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12:48<Wolf01>You could have station refit orders, that's the best we can offer
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12:48<fredcwbr>what would be "station refit orders"?
12:49<Wolf01>You set a train to change the cargo (must be compatible with the wagons) directly on a station
12:50<quiznilo>the amount of freight too and from a station needs to be fairly balanced... I've never had a use for it
12:51<Wolf01>Like: you have open wagons, you can tell the train to load iron at station A, unload at station B (steel mill), load coal at station C and unload at station B again
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12:51<quiznilo>hmm... I wonder if you could build power plants, one each next to a coal mine
12:52<fredcwbr>I see... ;; is that a limitation on the overall engine?
12:52<quiznilo>you wouldn't need to refit though
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12:52<fredcwbr>understood the proposition., ..
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12:52<fredcwbr>not exactly what I had in mind,.,
12:53<quiznilo>I don't get how you could give different orders to wagons
12:54<Wolf01><quiznilo> hmm... I wonder if you could build power plants, one each next to a coal mine <- you get paid by distance and time, if too close you don't get paid so much
12:54<quiznilo>of course
12:55<quiznilo>assuming that they're optimal distances away
12:55<quiznilo>aha! To solve the unbalanced freight problem, just set the lesser station order to not 'full load'
12:56<+glx>IIRC coal is always paying well
12:57<+glx>unless it's a really extra long line
12:58<fredcwbr>thank you quiznilo., .. will look this aproach.,
12:58<@Alberth>passengers works too, as you have a full train in both directions
12:58<+glx>but you are easily overflowed by waiting passengers :)
12:59<@Alberth>hehe :)
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13:00<@Alberth>no matter how many trains you throw at it, the station won't get empty :p
13:14<Samu>is it possible to refit a whole group of aircraft?
13:14<Samu>want to refit 4 aircraft with shared orders
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13:20<Wolf01>o/
13:20<andythenorth>lo
13:25<supermop>yo
13:25<supermop>remove coal from firs eh?
13:28<frosch123>process it into gold
13:34<Wolf01>Lead mine -> alchemic factory -> gold
13:34<@peter1138>remove firs from coal
13:35<Eddi|zuHause>sounds like a failed SQL query
13:39<Eddi|zuHause>so... today's wtf is a spam mail, which uses as "sender" a name of a guy who i haven't talked to in like 10 years, and i don't think i ever got a mail from him at all
13:39<@Alberth>he may have your though, apparently :)
13:39<@Alberth>*yours
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14:11<FLHerne>Samu: If they support refit-in-station, then you can do it that way
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14:30<andythenorth>such FIRS
14:30<andythenorth>also station names
14:31<quiznilo>last night, ottd opponent clears giant patch at great expense, tears down part of a mountain to build his central prime hub, and a new power plant appears in the very middle
14:32<quiznilo>all plans ruined
14:33<andythenorth>need station names for
14:33<andythenorth>http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/industries.html#basic_oxygen_furnace
14:33<andythenorth>http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/industries.html#coke_oven
14:34<andythenorth>http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/industries.html#electric_arc_furnace
14:34<frosch123>feature request: when detecting lots of landscaping, spawn radio towers
14:34<andythenorth>ha
14:34<quiznilo>you already got 'portage' as station name, right? I think I saw that one
14:34<andythenorth>probably other industries could have better station names too :P
14:34<andythenorth>shall I make the docs print them?
14:35<quiznilo>there are a lot of 'portage roads' in US
14:35<quiznilo>not sure where you are
14:35<quiznilo>farm related
14:35<quiznilo>http://i.imgur.com/EwOCsUo.png
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14:37<quiznilo>mills
14:41<andythenorth>oh
14:42<andythenorth>FIRS has been failing on bundles for a month https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/firs/1612/console
14:43<andythenorth>can anyone else build FIRS? :o
14:43<andythenorth>or just me ?
14:44<@Alberth>nmlc ERROR: "src/lang/english.lng", line 5: Undefined command "TITLE" this should fail for you too?
14:44<@Alberth>let me try
14:49<@Alberth>builds for me
14:49<@Alberth>some cache?
14:56<supermop>quiznilo: portages were traditionally where you had to take your raft/boat out of the stream and carry it to another stream
14:56<supermop>or just carry the stuff in the boat to a different boat already in the other water
14:56<andythenorth>I wonder if jenkins is using a makefile target that doesn’t work
14:56<andythenorth>I think it’s failing on the extra tags
14:58<andythenorth>I can’t login to see if there are any build artefacts
14:59<andythenorth>my login fails :)
15:03<@Alberth>rm custom_tags.txt (it's a generated thing right?)
15:03<@Alberth>make
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15:07<@Alberth>add custom_tags.txt as dependency on $(GRF_FILE) ?
15:12<andythenorth>yup
15:12<andythenorth>I’ll do it now
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15:20<andythenorth>ho
15:20<andythenorth>new error :)
15:20<andythenorth>progress https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/firs/lastBuild/console
15:28<andythenorth>interesting
15:28<andythenorth>make bundle_tar fails locally for me too :)
15:29<andythenorth>Alberth: I can just remove the --verbose flag?
15:31<andythenorth>seems to work
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15:42<@Alberth>can't you just give the bundle_dir/src to mk-archive ?
15:55<andythenorth>not sure :)
15:55<andythenorth>but it builds now https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/firs/
15:56<andythenorth>standard yak-shaving: 90 minutes ago I wanted to include station names in docs
15:57<andythenorth>now here http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/code_reference.html#industries
16:19<@Alberth>ok :)
16:20<@Alberth>nn
16:23<andythenorth>bye
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17:49<argoneus>good evening train friends
17:55<@peter1138>i like ships
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18:11<Eddi|zuHause>that's not how the song goes :p
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18:30<Wolf01>'night
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