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#openttd IRC Logs for 2017-04-23

---Logopened Sun Apr 23 00:00:20 2017
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01:04<@Alberth>moin
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02:26<quiznilo>mornin'
02:27<quiznilo>I wrote my first NewGRF
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03:29<@Alberth>citynames newgrf? :)
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04:29<@Alberth>o/
04:36<andythenorth>hi
05:02<@peter1138>mooning
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05:19<@peter1138>...
05:19<@peter1138>fuck
05:19<@DorpsGek>Commit by peter1138 :: r27858 /trunk/src (fontcache.cpp ship_cmd.cpp) (2017-04-23 11:19:32 +0200 )
05:19<@DorpsGek>-Change [FS#6560]: Add missing game script event for ships arriving at a station. (juanjo)
05:21<@DorpsGek>Commit by peter1138 :: r27859 trunk/src/fontcache.cpp (2017-04-23 11:20:53 +0200 )
05:21<@DorpsGek>-Revert (r27858): Committed too much :(
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06:46<Wolf01>o/
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06:50<@Alberth>o/
06:50<Wolf01>Lost a croissant in the beard, I had to shave :| :D
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07:03<@Alberth>:)
07:09<Wolf01>I found I had a face under the hairs, this morning I could have posed for yeti models for V, now I look like a normal man
07:12<Eddi|zuHause>why would you do that?
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07:13<Wolf01>What, shaving?
07:13<Eddi|zuHause>yes
07:15<Wolf01>Because of the croissant XD
07:17<Wolf01>BTW, I was tired of the shape of my beard, not that I cut it all, just trimmed those 3cm to 4mm and fixed the edges
07:29<Wolf01>Mmmh, git shit guide free ebook https://www.packtpub.com/packt/offers/free-learning
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10:25<supermop>I think as long as you don't go looking for the elephant's foot you'll be fine
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11:50<Eddi|zuHause>what's an "elephant's foot" in this context?
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11:55<LordAro>Eddi|zuHause: i'd guess http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/the-elephant-foot-of-the-chernobyl-disaster-1986/
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12:12<Eddi|zuHause>LordAro: i don't think you can get near the reactor unsupervised :p
12:12<supermop>I assume no one is posted to that room to supervise it
12:13<Eddi|zuHause>there's still an operational nuclear power station on that location
12:14<LordAro>nah
12:14<LordAro>hasn't been for a decade or so now, iirc
12:15<LordAro>tours are fairly easy to get these days
12:15<LordAro>https://chernobyl-tour.com/english/ e.g.
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12:15<LordAro>definitely something i'd like to do at some point
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12:21<Eddi|zuHause>LordAro: i don't think these tours cover the actual power station
12:22<Eddi|zuHause>also, it's generally not advisable to go "off the beaten path" in the area
12:22<Eddi|zuHause>because the bushes and grass can have significantly higher concentration of radioactive elements
12:23<supermop>actually, when i was in moab, utah
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12:25<supermop>a lot of the old tailings sites from the old uranium mine and processing facilities had been planted with grassed to leach certain contaminants from the soil
12:25<supermop>with the plants then being harvested and disposed of
12:26<supermop>the more contaminated areas the simply were sealing all the soil into steel containers and taking it away to be buried in the desert
12:27<LordAro>Eddi|zuHause: true, but that's not to say no one goes there at all
12:29<Eddi|zuHause>LordAro: last i heard was they were building a new sarkophagus to replace the old one that's getting brittly
12:31<LordAro>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_New_Safe_Confinement aye
12:33<Eddi|zuHause>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK8ykPmtRyg
12:34<LordAro>good ol' tom scott
12:34<LordAro>he's a bit of a legend at my uni :)
12:37<LordAro>largely due to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztYapweHD3g
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13:44<Wolf01>Still talking about that?
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14:58<__ln__>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/04/22/students-avoid-making-eye-contact-could-guiltyof-racism-oxford/
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15:06<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: i start to think that people who talk about "microaggressions" have run out of real problem to solve. it's like bodies who don't get to fight enough microbes, start making up allergies so they have something to do
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15:13<andythenorth>is it fake news?
15:14<Wolf01>And even if it isn't, then is a way to mask the real problems, which are clearly the videogames
15:18<Eddi|zuHause>well, my experience is that if you tell people "don't talk about X" will cause people to talk about X even more, even more negatively because talking about X has now this "forbidden" touch
15:18<__ln__>dunno if telegraph is a fake news media
15:21<andythenorth>easter eggs anyone?
15:22<Wolf01>I don't get easter eggs since I was a kid
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15:26<Eddi|zuHause>we search easter eggs every year
15:27<Eddi|zuHause>and pretty much every year some go missing
15:35<Wolf01>https://developers.slashdot.org/story/17/04/23/0339211/flawed-online-tutorials-led-to-vulnerabilities-in-software heh
15:48<andythenorth>send me the codez
15:49*andythenorth once got burned by python tutorials including eval()
15:50<andythenorth>which is not so good for untrustworthy input
15:55<LordAro>'; DROP TABLE andythenorth; --
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16:03<@peter1138>now look what you've done
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17:50<quiznilo>https://paste.pound-python.org/show/a73JdGusBPwE0y2cZWJG/ southwestern US towns
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18:47<supermop>quiznilo does it agglomerate random names from parts?
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19:16<quiznilo>ya, I did, I found a list of the top 5,000 cities in the US by pop, and scraped the top 50 from california, utah, nevada, arizona, new mexico and colorado
19:17<quiznilo>except nevada has like only 18 cities in the list, and new mexico has 33
19:19<Eddi|zuHause>quiznilo: so what if you want to have more than 250 towns on a map?
19:19<quiznilo>I can up the number
19:19<quiznilo>but lower numbers mean you're more likely to recognize the town
19:20<quiznilo>LA and Denver won't get nuked by the RNG
19:21<Eddi|zuHause>you can make bigger towns more likely to be chosen
19:21<quiznilo>how?
19:21<quiznilo>I asked that last night
19:22<quiznilo>nobody was around, sadly
19:22<Eddi|zuHause>each town name has a number next to it that affects how often it gets chosen in relation to the other names
19:23<quiznilo>so obviously, the higher the number, the better
19:23<quiznilo>this is great, I can include a lot more towns
19:23<Eddi|zuHause>so if you have ("A",4),("B",2),("C",1), "A" has 4 in 7 chance, "B" has 2 in 7, and "C" has 1 in 7
19:24<Eddi|zuHause>more advanced things are possible
19:24<quiznilo>MAX is 255 or something?
19:25<Eddi|zuHause>i'm not sure how nml handles it
19:26<Eddi|zuHause>but internally, it rolls a 32bit number, which you can split into x-bit chunks to select the different parts of the name
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19:28<Eddi|zuHause>it probably works best in nml if the total numbers add up to a power of 2 (e.g.256, 512, 65536, ...)
19:28<Eddi|zuHause>but that should not be a requirement
19:29<supermop>I've always felt that the middle third of cities would make the best names
19:30<supermop>I like seeing plausible looking town names, that I don't necessarily recognize
19:31<supermop>bottom and middle third or us cities probably have the problem of a lot of repeat names though
19:32<supermop>anyway that's why for nearly a decade I used finnish names almost exclusively, and now use Vietnamese names
19:32<supermop>a non-indo european language has the added benefit that names don't seem geographically incongruous
19:33<FLHerne>Yeah, seeing "Bournemouth" as a tiny village on a mountain can be strange
19:33<supermop>because i cant recognize anything that refers to a river, or lake or whatever
19:33<supermop>exactly
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19:34<supermop>a set of town names in one or more Mesoamerican languages would be nice
19:36<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, that annoyed me with the german town name generator, it generates lots of "<X> an der <Y>" town names, but there's never an <Y> river, and the towns are not even close by
19:37<Eddi|zuHause>then i started using the german town name newgrf
19:37<Eddi|zuHause>which had the slightly less annoying habit of having two suffixes "-kirch" and "-kirchen", which combined appear too often
19:38<supermop>original tto names had a ton of "X-on-Sea"
19:38<supermop>haha Kirchkirchen
19:38<supermop>sounds like a pious town
19:39<Eddi|zuHause>no, not combied like that
19:39<Eddi|zuHause>just due to them being so similar, it appears as if it's just appearing twice as often
19:41<Wolf01>'night
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19:42<supermop>some kind of dutch/english/ and Algonquin bastardization generator would be nice for fictitious New York-ish feeling games
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20:38<quiznilo>Chris Sawyer is scottish, no?
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21:34<supermop>went to university in scottland
21:34<supermop>but I believe he himself was english
21:36<quiznilo>ah
21:37<supermop>don't hold me to that
21:37<supermop>well wikipedia says is scottish
21:39<supermop>born in dundee
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23:05<quiznilo>hmm... tunnel length 67 is 'too long'
23:05<quiznilo>what's the max tunnel length?
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