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02:53<Ox4>good morning every one
02:55<Ox4>Could somebody help me with playing mid musing in openttd? I can play mid files which I downloaded and placed to ~/.openttd/data directory by timidity program, but there is no any music in the game. I only see the list of compositions in the player.
03:00<Eddi|zuHause>you need to create an .obm file which lists the midi files and their checksum
03:00<Supercheese>I believe you have to compile them into a ca....
03:00<Supercheese>that
03:00<Supercheese>dangit
03:01<Ox4>Eddi|zuHause: I am using opemsx package which I downloaded from openttd server
03:01<Eddi|zuHause>does it show up in settings?
03:02<Ox4>sure, I selected it from drop-down menu
03:03<Eddi|zuHause>then i don't know what you do wrong
03:03<dihedral>good morning
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03:09<Ox4>Eddi|zuHause: btw I use linux system
03:10<Eddi|zuHause>you could try some options to the -m command line parameter, but i must go, i cannot help you with that
03:14<Ox4>anyway here is the debug log, maybe someone else will help: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/CYqgtWVlZGXfLj8mxA5H/
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03:59<__ln__>aaaaaand it's snowing. more snow on the ground than often on christmas.
03:59<crem>And after that they say about global warming!
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04:01<__ln__>it can be an effect of global warming :/
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06:07<Ox4>hello?
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06:13<Wolf01>o/
06:13<Wolf01>The sky is falling :O
06:18<Alkel_U3>Not yet. But I'm getting my umbrella ready.
06:22<Wolf01>Lol, I started a new game in factorio before figuring out that I didn't select the beta "why is all the same?"
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06:30<Alkel_U3>oh, and I there I was thinking I'm playing XCOM tonight, or get some sleep
06:32<Wolf01>Nah, succumb to the factorio call and play 72 hours straight
06:37<Alkel_U3>I bet I can run OPENTTD on second monitor
06:38<Wolf01>I play 2 games at time when they don't need much attention
06:40<Alkel_U3>well, maybe Insaniquarium in screensaver mode... :-)
06:41<Wolf01>The what?
06:43<Alkel_U3>insane aquarium clicker where you feed fish so they grow and fart out coins you collect to buy lasers to protect your aquarium prom invading aliens
06:43<Alkel_U3>In a nutshel... There's a bit more to it :-)
06:44<Wolf01>Lol
06:44<Alkel_U3>It's from the same guys who made Plants vs Zombies
06:45<Wolf01>I play transport empire, which is a mobile game, too bad it pauses when the window loses focus
06:46<Wolf01>But I set up the things and close the game, just to look back at it twice a day
06:48<Wolf01>Oook, let's play factorio instead
06:48<Alkel_U3>Insaniquarium had a pocketpc version. Made my classmates think I was having an epileptic seizure : -)
06:49<Wolf01>I used to play chuzzle on pocketpc
06:50<Alkel_U3>There was something about mobile Factorio in some FFF...
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06:51<Alkel_U3>Also, Age of Empires. Like, almost full desktop version. On a pocketpc. That was awesome.
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06:57<Wolf01>I had the scummvm installed too :P
06:57<Wolf01>I still have it on my lumia, I can even play monkey 3
06:57<@peter1138>is scummvm a the?
07:00<Wolf01>Isn't it?
07:00<@peter1138>well
07:00<@peter1138>i don't play the openttd or buy games on the steam
07:03<Wolf01>Ok, I admit I put some italian there, we use to say that even for people names, like "the peter1138" when talking about them, but is most used for female names
07:04<__ln__>also not 'the batman', but yes 'the hulk'
07:06<@peter1138>incredible!
07:06<Alkel_U3>incredible the hulk
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08:01<Wolf01>I hope this time I would be able to get that evil achievement in factorio (craft only 111 items)
08:02<Wolf01>I'm at 105 so far, and I only crafted the exact amount of things to have the assembly machine 1
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08:08<Wolf01>Shit... automation 2 is 2x40 not 40 :( I need more gears
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10:21<@Alberth>o/
10:22<crem>\o
10:23<LordAro>o|
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12:02<@Alberth>o/
12:03<andythenorth>hi
12:12<Eddi|zuHause>is scummvm female in italian?
12:17<quiznilo>I have a FIRS question, on the primary industries, the Port type, it takes 3 inputs, good, fruit, and manufacturing supplies... beyond the 'Current production' levels 'normal/enhance/gung-ho', is there any return to shipping more stuff to it?
12:17<quiznilo>would love to see the output calculation for it
12:19<andythenorth>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/entry/src/templates/produce_primary.pynml#L10
12:19<andythenorth>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/entry/src/templates/check_primary_supplies_delivered.pynml
12:19*andythenorth taking that literally :P
12:20<andythenorth>there’s no return to delivering above the gung-ho threshold
12:20<andythenorth>it’s typically quite hard to achieve
12:20<quiznilo>excellent
12:20<quiznilo>I'm on my way to becoming a FIRS expert
12:20<andythenorth>at that point, you can fund another port-type industry adjacent :P
12:20<andythenorth>a row of 5 bulk terminals looks quite good
12:20<quiznilo>clever
12:21<quiznilo>if you can get the bulk terminal to build :p
12:21<quiznilo>"This is not a suitable area"
12:21<andythenorth>it’s a faff
12:21<andythenorth>I swear there’s a bug with coast tiles
12:22<quiznilo>I usually just spam click in the general vicinity until it takes :)
12:23<andythenorth>try bulldozing the coast first
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12:33<andythenorth>how many parameters should there be? o_O
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12:55<quiznilo>42!
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14:40<andythenorth>hmm
14:42<@Alberth>it is, isn't it?
14:55<andythenorth>solid hail here
14:55<andythenorth>looks like 2cm of snow
14:56<@Alberth>:O
14:57<@Alberth>kids go wild!
14:57<@Alberth>(bit too late for them, perhaps)
15:06<andythenorth>they have been out in it
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15:10<Eddi|zuHause><andythenorth> how many parameters should there be? o_O <-- that question can only ever have wrong answers
15:11<frosch123>is there a parameter to select the number of parameters?
15:17<Eddi|zuHause>i'm sure there would be, if the grf specs allowed it :p
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15:22<Eddi|zuHause>for example the base cost grf could really use that
15:26<andythenorth>maybe parameter setting level
15:26<andythenorth>basic, advanced, expert
15:26<andythenorth>hide or show according to that :P
15:26<Eddi|zuHause>that never worked
15:26<frosch123>what level is required to find the setting?
15:27<Eddi|zuHause>people always look for settings that aren't shown, and fail to find the expert switch
15:27<Eddi|zuHause>and all other people are on expert anyway
15:28*andythenorth always favoured sensible defaults
15:28<andythenorth>Apple style
15:28<andythenorth>but then users
15:28<Eddi|zuHause>(disregarding the vast majority who never change any settings anyway)
15:28<andythenorth>and also Apple have 9,000 hidden settings
15:29<@peter1138>under advanced settings
15:34<andythenorth>so I need to add to FIRS: station name parameter; date restriction parameter
15:35<frosch123>do date restrictions exist outside of "extreme"?
15:35<andythenorth>somewhat
15:35<andythenorth>what’s the coast distance parameter for?
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16:42<andythenorth>such ttd http://www.smartcitiesdive.com/news/new-siemens-venture-aims-to-create-internet-of-trains-in-the-us/441219/
16:45<andythenorth>also bed
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19:06<quiznilo>anyone know how something like this could happen? http://i.imgur.com/mg0FTCj.png
19:07<quiznilo>I suspect that the trains hit their 180 day maintenance deal on way to surprise
19:07<quiznilo>so they sailed on through the station to the depot
19:07<quiznilo>and now they're just sitting there... trying to get back to surprise station?
19:07<quiznilo>makes no sense
19:07<Wolf01>Try to place depots before stations
19:09<quiznilo>k, I can do that, but there will still be rare edge-cases when a train passes the last depot, hits 180 day maintenance, and sails right on through a station... to get stuck on the other side, strangely
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19:21<quiznilo>https://www.up.com/aboutup/reference/glossary/railroad_terms/index.htm
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19:29<supermop>quiznilo play without breakdowns
19:29<supermop>or use explicit depot orders
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19:35<quiznilo>okay
19:35<supermop>if a train has a depot order somewhere it wont decide to go on it's own
19:36<supermop>if you want to use depot intervals and breakdowns, I guess you could build a loop so that a train that is stuck can return to the station
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19:37<quiznilo>that's an idea
19:45<FLHerne>quiznilo: There's a distance limit for the spontaneous maintenance
19:46<Wolf01>'night
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19:46<FLHerne>If a train tries to go to a depot, but there isn't one within a couple of dozen tiles, it'll just carry on as normal
19:47<FLHerne>So 'after stations' is often safe with typical spacing
19:48<FLHerne>Er, 'before stations'
19:48*FLHerne -> sleep, obviously needed
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19:51<quiznilo>ya thanks guys, I decided to put one in just before the station and funnel trains into it before they can move on to the station
19:51<quiznilo>does YAPF do the pathing?
19:51<quiznilo>for the depots, I mean
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20:49<supermop>quiznilo: sometimes I do this:
20:49<supermop>http://imgur.com/a/0yDGy
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22:54<quiznilo>clever, trying that
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