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04:07<crem>regex
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07:00<[dpk]>uhm, how do i transport clay by rail with UKRS2 and FIRS 2.1.5?
07:00<[dpk]>i don't see anything capable of being refitted for it
07:01<[dpk]>oh, only the 5-plank open wagon, the later, faster open wagons (at least up to 1959 where i am) don't support it?
07:01<FLHerne>[dpk]: The big hoppers should be able to
07:02<[dpk]>https://i.imgur.com/VD2lljO.png
07:02<FLHerne>:-/
07:04<FLHerne>[dpk]: The covered hopper can here
07:05<[dpk]>hmm, when is that introduced?
07:05<[dpk]>as you see, it's not in my list
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07:07<FLHerne>[dpk]: 1960, apparently
07:07<[dpk]>ah
07:07<[dpk]>i don't have long to wait then :-) thanks
07:12<FLHerne>Hm, it's the covered hopper with FIRS 1, too
07:12<FLHerne>Why do I think I remember the bogie hopper working for that?
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09:06<Wolf01>Mmh, it looks like they added some intelligence to the BITS, at least since the last update the windows store doesn't seem to eat all the bandwidth
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09:42<@Alberth>moin
09:43<crem>moin << 1
09:44<Wolf01>o/
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11:43<_dp_>hi, why does it increase station rating even when vehicle doesn't load anything?
11:44<_dp_>i.e. it's full
11:45<_dp_>makes it pretty much impossible to distinguish rating pushing from legit transfer or preloading
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12:09<@peter1138>rating pushing? legit?
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12:26<_dp_>peter1138, rating pushing = making contraptions to keeping station rating high in absence of actual transport
12:26<_dp_>peter1138, legit = meaningful types of activity :p
12:28<_dp_>basically openttd mechanincs encourages adding truck without orders to every station
12:28<@Alberth>just transport between two stations?
12:28<@Alberth>you can't fix pushing by some mechanic, I think
12:28<_dp_>*loading station
12:29<_dp_>Alberth, not with a simple fix at least, but question is not about fixing it completely
12:35<_dp_>0 units load makes no sense whatsoever
12:36<_dp_>even wiki fails to explain it
12:37<_dp_>nvm, there is a clarification
12:37<_dp_>ah, no, it's about different thing, so yes
12:38<_dp_>"Days since last cargo pickup" is wrong
12:39<_dp_>it really is since last vehicle with loading order stopped on a station
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13:02<frosch123>hoi
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13:11<_dp_>speaking of some mechanic, making it so it counts since last time stockpile hit 0 instead of just pickup would probably fix pushing
13:12<@Alberth>until you get too much supply, and never hit 0
13:13<Cubey>Then the rating would decrease until the supply dwindles and hits zero again
13:14<_dp_>it may not hit 0 but pushing will be useless anyway
13:14<@Alberth>moving 1 wagon cargo back and forth between 2 nearby stations still works
13:14<_dp_>Alberth, only if there is no extra cargo incoming
13:15<_dp_>Alberth, otherwise you'll have to constanly increase amount of wagons
13:15<@Alberth>who said it was a cargo that is regularly transported at both stations?
13:17<_dp_>Alberth, I don't get it, for 1 wagon to increase rating there should not be any other cargo waiting, and increasing rating on station without cargo is meaningless anyway
13:18<@Alberth>oh, not 0 for each separate cargo?
13:18<@Alberth>hmm, that thus kills multi-cargo stations completely
13:18<_dp_>Alberth, ofc separete for each, all ratings are separate
13:20<_dp_>hm, or is it currently counting any cargo pickup? i don't even know
13:20<@Alberth>no idea, I never even look at ratings
13:23<_dp_>Alberth, just checked, it's counting pickup separately for each cargo
13:24<frosch123>i think albert is talking about town rating and dp is talking about station rating
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13:59<Wolf01>_dp_, why do you even care about station ratings?
14:00<_dp_>Wolf01, because players abuse it
14:01<Wolf01>And lately people abuse of my patience, but I don't care too, I just carry on
14:03<@peter1138>provide a patch to fix whatever the issue is
14:03<_dp_>Wolf01, we host competitive servers and I don't want adding stupid truck to every station be a legit way of playing the game
14:03<Wolf01>Ban players, problem solved
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14:05<Wolf01>o/
14:05<_dp_>Wolf01, yeah, and to do that it needs to be clearly defined what is allowed and what not
14:05<Wolf01>Yes
14:05<_dp_>which is quite hard with 0 load being considered a pickup
14:06<_dp_>because every unfinished station breaks rules
14:06<_dp_>or rather route
14:07<_dp_>without 0 load rating pushing could be at least defined as moving cargo in a loop
14:08<_dp_>but that's still hard to check, so making pushing useless would be even better
14:16<_dp_>btw, looks like some huge virus attack is going on right now, most win PCs are in danger
14:16<_dp_>https://securelist.com/blog/incidents/78351/wannacry-ransomware-used-in-widespread-attacks-all-over-the-world/
14:17<andythenorth>o/
14:32<frosch123>o/
14:32<frosch123>andythenorth: fs#6561 is for you
14:33*andythenorth was expecting a mac bug
14:33<frosch123>i forgot whether you made it intentionally like that
14:34<andythenorth>ach dunno
14:34<andythenorth>I think that perhaps everything should just be in tonnes
14:39<frosch123>andythenorth: anyway, it's the "units_of_cargo" property, if you want to define it
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14:50<andythenorth>thanks
14:50<andythenorth>I dunno, sacks might be unrealistic
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