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02:58<andythenorth>o/
03:08<andythenorth>is it F? http://steelplantech.com/product/?am_force_theme_layout=mobile
03:10<Eddi|zuHause>i like how the animation is in sync with my wall clock
03:18<andythenorth>probably watching you
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07:00<andythenorth>o/
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08:02<@Alberth>o/
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08:05<supermop_home>yo
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08:24*andythenorth implementing a station name parameter in FIRS
08:24<andythenorth>will probably regret this
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08:30<Wolf01>quak
08:30<frosch123>hoi
08:57<andythenorth>"cb 161: Default name for nearby station”
08:57<andythenorth>o_O
09:06<andythenorth>regret
09:06<andythenorth>Error: (IndexError) "pop from empty list".
09:07<andythenorth>File "bin35/lib/python3.5/site-packages/nml-v6201_45b1e0507a8d-py3.5-macosx-10.12-x86_64.egg/nml/actions/action4.py", line 168, in get_string_action4s
09:07<andythenorth>triggered by “nearby_station_name: string(STR_STATION, string(STR_TOWN),string(STR_IND_ALUMINIUM_PLANT));”
09:07<frosch123>what are you doing?
09:07<andythenorth>trying to use industry name as a substring in nearby_station_name
09:08*andythenorth digs some more
09:08<andythenorth>might just be user error
09:09<_dp_>hi, so what should I do with station loading being affected by 0 load issue?
09:09<_dp_>report it as a bug or implement patch to station rating fixing pushing?
09:09<_dp_>or just abandon all hope))
09:10<supermop_home>can we have station name sets, like town names?
09:10<frosch123>station names have so much magic
09:10*andythenorth looking through 308k lines of firs.nml :(
09:10<frosch123>they are translated, towns are not
09:11<andythenorth>I’m not sure if what I’m doing is wise
09:11<frosch123>they depend on on the location, nothing else does
09:11<supermop_home>so cold in apartment
09:12<andythenorth>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8434/nearby_station_name.png
09:12<andythenorth>changing that parameter on a running game is interesting
09:14<andythenorth>ok so I can’t use TTD strings for industry names
09:14<andythenorth>nearby_station_name: string(STR_STATION, string(STR_TOWN),TTD_STR_INDUSTRY_NAME_COPPER_ORE_MINE);
09:14<frosch123>you just skip the property?
09:14<andythenorth>I could, this is getting complex
09:14<andythenorth>dunno if it’s worth it
09:14<andythenorth>10% of players know about parameters
09:15<andythenorth>10% of those bother changing them
09:15<andythenorth>1% of those want this ‘industry station names’ option
09:15<andythenorth>9% of them want something that isn’t in FIRS at all
09:15<frosch123>100% of them are you?
09:15<andythenorth>“parameters: just say no”
09:16<andythenorth>I like the silly ones you and planetmaker and whoever else put it in
09:16*andythenorth can’t remember who actually did them
09:16<_dp_>you forgot 10% who know about newgrfs
09:16<frosch123>yes, i think it was me an pm
09:18<_dp_>tho it works differently, 1% wants that option and then they learns about newgrfs and parameters :p
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09:18<andythenorth>I’ll offer ‘FIRS names’ and ‘OpenTTD names’
09:18<andythenorth>and that’s it
09:18<andythenorth>but eh, the FIRS name is only used for first station
09:18<andythenorth>so will that cause bug reports?
09:19<andythenorth>it can’t be a callback instead of a property - that would risk the station name changing when result changed?
09:20<frosch123>it can be a purchase list callback
09:21<frosch123>i think we already discussed the options before, but i don't remember the result
09:22<andythenorth>me neither :)
09:22<andythenorth>currently it’s tempting to remove the names entirely, as it just causes player complaints / confusion occasionally
09:22<frosch123>more then after removing them?
09:22<frosch123>*than
09:23<andythenorth>damned either way :)
09:23<supermop_home>convert firs to goddamn steam
09:23<supermop_home>forget all this digital
09:23<frosch123>i shortly considered mentioning aircraft in the 1.7.1-rc1 post, but thought that the same people would fell for it again. noone could possibly fall for train removal, right?
09:23<supermop_home>you gotta be albert einstein to figure it out
09:24<frosch123>we already have a alb*ert, we only need a stone
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09:26<supermop_home>frosch123 you know the steam is just brutal.
09:26<supermop_home>you see that sucker going and steam's going all over the place
09:30*andythenorth bbl
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10:33<supermop_home>I should have used andy's recolor magic on these mineral hoppers
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10:48<@Alberth>it's too late now?
10:48<supermop_home>ive already saved 99% of the pngs
10:51<@Alberth>so, it's time to save another 90% of the remaining pngs?
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11:53<supermop_home>well now I got distracted redrawing the busses
11:54<supermop_home>stripes didn't look good
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11:58<andythenorth>ach
11:58<andythenorth>this station names parameter is daft
11:58<andythenorth>just because I can code it, doesn’t mean I shold
11:58<andythenorth>should *
12:10<andythenorth>Alberth: have you been making mazes in RCT? o_O
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12:42<@Alberth>no
12:43<@Alberth>I programmed one in BASIC though, looong time ago :)
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12:43<@Alberth>you could even walk through it (in 4 directions, fixed position)
12:43<andythenorth>https://www.reddit.com/r/rct/comments/5xud5r/rollercoaster_tycoons_recordbreaking_hedge_maze/
12:44<andythenorth>dunno if that’s RCT or OpenRCT
12:44<Cubey>That's the mobile one
12:44<Cubey>I can tell by the interface
12:44<supermop_home>no reason for a trolleybus 10 years from now to have pantographs instead of poles, right?
12:45<supermop_home>lane changing with poles seems would remain useful for a bus
12:47<@Alberth>matter of time before someone tried that :)
12:47<andythenorth>vote now if FIRS should keep station name parameter
12:47<andythenorth>otherwise I delete it
12:47<supermop_home>delete firs
12:48<supermop_home>240 pngs all done now
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12:50<andythenorth>supermop_home: which industry did you owe me? o_O
12:50<supermop_home>arc furnace
12:51<supermop_home>these are all trolley trucks and buses though
12:51<andythenorth>I think I can do that one
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12:51<andythenorth>I found some good pictures
12:57<supermop_home>so in nml specs,
12:57<supermop_home>i can do this: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/ppwrnsuul
12:58<supermop_home>what if i want something for half full?
12:59<supermop_home>do I do [empty, half, full]
12:59<supermop_home>?
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13:00<supermop_home>:(
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13:07<frosch123>supermop_home: yes
13:08<frosch123>though i believe we concluded that it is better to duplicate the cases in the middle
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13:08<frosch123>so that empty and full are closer to "really empty" and "really full"
13:08<supermop_home>like [empty, half, half, full]?
13:08<frosch123>yes
13:08<supermop_home>ok
13:09<frosch123>andythenorth my actually know better though
13:09<frosch123>*may
13:09<andythenorth>I will look at the nml code generated :P
13:09*andythenorth never writes nml
13:10<andythenorth>hmm
13:11<andythenorth> switch (FEAT_ROADVEHS, SELF, jinglepot_switch_graphics_percent_loaded_0_0, cargo_count*100/cargo_capacity) {
13:11<andythenorth>I ignored loaded / loading
13:11<andythenorth>what’s the reason?
13:11<andythenorth>it’s so that full load state isn’t shown until 100% is reached
13:11<andythenorth>1-99% shows partial load
13:12<andythenorth>otherwise it’s irritating wondering why the truck doesn’t leave the station
13:12<frosch123>so you were too tired to duplicate items in the list :)
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13:12*andythenorth turned off the vehicle station % loading indicators some time ago, and just relies on vehicle cargo sprites
13:13<andythenorth>I probably play a very different game to most people
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13:35<supermop_home>need to draw a little capsule tower capsule for bdmt on flatbeds
13:41<supermop_home>will need your switch for containers though
13:41<supermop_home>the onther way around
13:42<supermop_home>don't want to see 20% container carriers driving around empty
13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r27872 trunk/src/lang/swedish.txt (2017-05-13 19:45:37 +0200 )
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from Eints:
13:45<@DorpsGek>swedish: 19 changes by Joel_A
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14:28<supermop_home>now i need to come up with like 20 new truck names
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14:29<andythenorth>Supercheese: o/
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14:37<andythenorth>ach never mind, the station names switch can die
14:57<supermop_home>name a truck andy
15:01<andythenorth>‘andy’
15:02<supermop_home>fine
15:02<andythenorth>stannage
15:02<andythenorth>torwood
15:02<andythenorth>tusker
15:02<andythenorth>stallion
15:03<andythenorth>lugmore
15:03<andythenorth>hardacre
15:03<supermop_home>haha
15:03<supermop_home>lugmore
15:03*andythenorth bbl
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16:10<Eddi|zuHause>the ESC hype surely once was bigger in this channel
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16:43<+glx>Eddi|zuHause: yeah it's quiet this year :)
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18:31<supermop_home>https://paste.openttdcoop.org/phosmux1l
18:32<supermop_home>can someone help me find an illegal ' ' in that switch?
18:32<supermop_home>nmlc says there is one
18:40<Eddi|zuHause>aside from that error, you're missing the case where a cargo has both class liquid and bulk
18:41<+glx>in the comment ? (but seems wrong ;) )
18:41<supermop_home>in the case that something is both, I could live with default capacity
18:42<supermop_home>it says ' ' (character code 0xA0)
18:42<supermop_home>i assume that means a space
18:42<Eddi|zuHause>normal space is 0x20
18:42<Eddi|zuHause>0xA0 is a nbsp
18:43<supermop_home>hmm how'd that get in there?
18:43<Eddi|zuHause>which the compiler probably does not like
18:43<supermop_home>I guess I'll delete every space in the line a re-type it?
18:44<Eddi|zuHause>on some systems you can hit alt+space or something to get a nbsp
18:46<Eddi|zuHause>anyway, you can do a hexdump to find the 0xA0
18:49<supermop_home>re typing the spaces worked
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19:12<supermop_home>hmm now I have an unexpected end of file
19:16<Wolf01>Back, great evening at the pub :D
19:17<Wolf01>Lol, great netsplit evening here XD
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