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---Logopened Sun Jun 04 00:00:03 2017
---Daychanged Sun Jun 04 2017
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03:28<andythenorth>thanks
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04:17<andythenorth>http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/code_reference.html#cargos
04:17<andythenorth>(sort by ‘colour’)
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06:45<andythenorth>eh, cargo prop 14 "Color for the cargo payment list window”
06:45<andythenorth>what happens if the value is 0?
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09:05<supermop_home>can figure out stacking at all
09:06<supermop_home>nml docs seem like they are skipping over a lot of prior knowledge I should have
09:14<supermop_home>if I put "XXX_FLAG_SPRITE_STACK" in misc flags - I assumed the XXX should be ROADVEHS
09:14<supermop_home>but nmlc doesnt recognize that
09:15<supermop_home>andy, do you have and stacking code in nml? I only saw python stuff on sam on devzone
09:18<supermop_home>also frosch's example doesn't contain the "STORE_TEMP(CB_FLAG_MORE_SPRITES | recolouring, 0x100)" line from the docs
09:19<FLHerne>supermop_home: In global_constants.py, it's `ROADVEH_FLAG_SPRITE_STACK` without an S
09:20<supermop_home>OH
09:20<supermop_home>well hope that helps
09:20<FLHerne>It's all Python, the source is the ultimate documentation :P
09:21<FLHerne>Oh, it is in the docs too
09:21<supermop_home>still don't really understand frosch's switch but ill see if it works cargo-cult style
09:21<FLHerne>https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Vehicles#Road_vehicle_properties -- ROADVEH_FLAG_SPRITE_STACK is under misc_flags
09:21<frosch123>andythenorth: colour 0 is only transparent within sprites
09:21<frosch123>in other places it will turn out as black
09:25<frosch123>supermop_home: CB_FLAG_MORE_SPRITES is the 0x80000000 in my code
09:25<frosch123>my code is from before those constants were added to nml, so it contains the raw values
09:26<supermop_home>can I change that directly to CB_FLAG...etc ?
09:29<frosch123>https://paste.openttdcoop.org/psetauyml <- simplified
09:29<frosch123>without the recoloring stuff
09:29<frosch123>replace NNN with the index of the last part
09:32<frosch123>andythenorth: but it is preferred to use 1 for black
09:32<frosch123>though technically it is #101010
09:33<frosch123>andythenorth: that page needs a filter selection for climates btw :)
09:33<andythenorth>I wondered if it was valid or accidental
09:33<andythenorth>I might change the 0s to 1s
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09:45<supermop_home>it says "ungrecognized identifier 'CB_FLAG_MORE_SPRITES' encountered
09:46<supermop_home>https://paste.openttdcoop.org/powlnrvbz
09:47<frosch123>what nml version do you have?
09:48<frosch123>you need one that is newer than 2016-10-16
09:48<supermop_home>unknown
09:48<supermop_home>Library versions encountered:
09:48<supermop_home>PLY: 3.4
09:48<supermop_home>PIL: 1.1.7
09:49<supermop_home>Its the one that works with NRT
09:49<supermop_home>assume there is only one of those
09:49<supermop_home>--version returns the above lines starting with 'unknown'
09:50<frosch123>nrt nml started 2016-09-24
09:50<frosch123>we never synced it :)
09:50<frosch123>i'll build a new one for you
09:50<supermop_home>:o
09:51<frosch123>actually... andythenorth: how did you pull nml from hg -> git?
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10:07<andythenorth>frosch123: I just imported using github UI
10:07<andythenorth>iirc
10:07<frosch123>can that also pull again?
10:07<andythenorth>likely yes
10:07*andythenorth tests
10:07<frosch123>i didn't find anything, but maybe it's because it's your repository
10:07<supermop_home>do people really need refridgerated trams
10:08<frosch123>usually they just call it air conditioning
10:08<andythenorth>hmm, not so much in github for this
10:08<andythenorth>either have to use a hg-git bridge
10:08<supermop_home>I mean for food - they can use road hog for that
10:08<andythenorth>or we code review NRT stuff and move it into a branch on official nml
10:08<andythenorth>:P
10:09*andythenorth biab, wifi admin
10:11<supermop_home>just add nrt to trunk
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11:02<frosch123>andythenorth: i found some way
11:03<andythenorth>?
11:03<frosch123>to transfer changesets
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11:07<andythenorth>using the github UI, or something else?
11:08<frosch123>i converted the complete repository again using git remote extensions
11:08<frosch123>then transfered the patches with git methods, format-patch and am
11:09<andythenorth>nice
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11:14<frosch123>supermop_home: https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/nml-nrt-latest-win32.zip <- try again
11:15<supermop_home>coool
11:15<supermop_home>thanks!
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11:21<andythenorth>hmm
11:22<andythenorth>could we code review the nmlc fork?
11:22<andythenorth>or do we wait to see if spec evolves?
11:22<frosch123>i think i already checked nml last year
11:22<frosch123>but someones needs to finish the ottd part :)
11:23<andythenorth>the example grfs I made are a bit ropey :P
11:23<andythenorth>but not inclined to shiny them
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11:27<andythenorth>what label should I use for Feldbanh / Decauville stuff?
11:27<andythenorth>http://www.uhlenhooker-feldbahn.de/images/Wg.-6,-neu1.jpg
11:29<frosch123>NAAN according to Eddit's https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Standardized_Railtype_Scheme
11:29<frosch123>narrow gauge, lowest speed and axle load, no electrification
11:30<andythenorth>such electric version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA3WjsvGowc
11:30<andythenorth>but eh, not in my plan
11:30<frosch123>also used in french set for Narrow gauge, unelectrified
11:30<frosch123>anyway, any difference between feldbahn and narrow gauge?
11:31<supermop_home>andythenorth: I use RLOW
11:31<andythenorth>density
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11:32<frosch123>density?
11:32<supermop_home>saying narrow gauge seems redundant for tramtype unless you want to specify this is like 1 foot or 600mm and no other trams can fit on it
11:32<andythenorth>two directions per tile, and no need for signals
11:32<andythenorth>also station density
11:32<supermop_home>different between SG and NG trams doesn't really show up in Openttd
11:33<andythenorth>trams are for town and big industry
11:33<frosch123>well, if it's a tram type, then as supermop says
11:33<supermop_home>so unless your feldbahn is meant to be 'smaller than other tiny industrial trains' idk if you need it
11:33<andythenorth>dunno what it is, but it’s an update to the HEQS trams
11:34<andythenorth>maybe the label should be HEQS :P
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11:35<supermop_home>if HEQS can run on my docklands tiles without me needing to add more types id' be happy
11:35<andythenorth>what is RLOW then?
11:35<supermop_home>low speed rail
11:36<supermop_home>the shittiest tramway in unspooled
11:36<supermop_home>regular is RAIL or ELRL
11:36<supermop_home>don't need to call it NG because regular trains will never end up on a tramway tile
11:36<supermop_home>yet
11:39<andythenorth>I am not worrying about it being NG or not :)
11:40<andythenorth>it’s just some kind of industrial rail
11:40<andythenorth>like I called it HAUL rather than mud-road or whatever
11:40<andythenorth>hmm
11:41<supermop_home>ok
11:41<andythenorth>I had the idea that all HAUL might be un-articulated
11:41<andythenorth>and can use drive in stops
11:41<andythenorth>might be stupid
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11:42<supermop_home>Tonka trucks will be a tight squeeze
11:42<nekomaster>well now I need help again >_>
11:42<nekomaster>I need NML code to change the graphics of a Doodlebug when its refit so that it has a sprite for carring passengers, and a sprite for when its refit for goods or mail
11:43<nekomaster>I tried making some code from 2cc trains code but I can't get it to work because the compiler complains about an unexpected token "switch"
11:44<supermop_home>nekomaster try this, but with other spritegroups obviously:
11:44<supermop_home>https://paste.openttdcoop.org/phr7gnspn
11:45<supermop_home>if the switch is unexpected token you probably forgot a } or ; or something before it
11:45<supermop_home>brb laundry
11:45<nekomaster>thing is I checked over it
11:45<andythenorth>paste
11:46<nekomaster>https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pivzyf2oj
11:46<nekomaster>Then I use this switch in the graphics section
11:46<nekomaster>switch_RAILBUS_DIESEL_NG_DOODLEBUG_cargo_selection;
11:47<supermop_home>whats on line above that in the graphics cbs
11:47<supermop_home>maybe you missed a : there
11:47<supermop_home>;
11:47<nekomaster>what?
11:47<nekomaster>graphics cbs?
11:47<@Alberth>show some lines before
11:48<nekomaster>https://www.dropbox.com/s/zzr4ll2pulsjhzx/RAILBUS_DIESEL_NG_DOODLEBUG%20-%20Copy.txt?dl=0
11:48<nekomaster>can just check my code there
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11:50<@Alberth>to close "Engine-mail" thingie?
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11:52<andythenorth>nekomaster: unclosed spriteset
11:52<nekomaster>yeah
11:52<nekomaster>didnt see that
11:53<andythenorth>we need a more helpful linter in nml :P
11:53<andythenorth>although linters sometimes mean you now have 2 problems
11:53<nekomaster>hmm?
11:53<nekomaster>whats a linter?
11:53<andythenorth>checks code syntax
11:54<nekomaster>ahh
11:54<andythenorth>finds missing brackets etc
11:54<andythenorth>sometimes they are unhelpfully strict
11:54<andythenorth>or they aren’t updated
11:55<nekomaster>so when I refit to mail with my code it shows part of the ? icon thingy
11:55<nekomaster>as if theres nothing or its corrupted
11:55<andythenorth>frosch123: useful, or just colour vomit? http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html
11:55<nekomaster>ok never mind
11:55<nekomaster>must have tried reloading the grf before the compiler was finished
11:56<andythenorth>that will occasionally crash openttd ;)
11:56<nekomaster>yeah
11:56<nekomaster>in my case it didnt crash
11:56<nekomaster>just froze for a moment and then showed a corrupted sprite
11:56<nekomaster>I reloaded my GRF's and it works
11:59<nekomaster>So now I have a narrow gauge doodle bug :)
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12:00<nekomaster>also why does the compiler/game not sort things as I've sorted it, like my doodle bug is in the wrong spot in the steam engines section in the list
12:00<nekomaster>its not listening to me!
12:12<nekomaster>:|
12:13<frosch123>andythenorth: it's useful for figuring out whether the colors are unique
12:14<frosch123>but i never use the cargo charts, so i would not care about the colors anyway :)
12:15<frosch123>steel town has many duplicate colors
12:15<frosch123>hardly green
12:16<nekomaster>So, any idea how to force the sorting set up I have?
12:17<nekomaster>its kind of annoying things get out of order for no good reason
12:26<andythenorth>frosch123: steeltown is a victim of copy-paste for the python cargo files currently :)
12:26<andythenorth>nekomaster: you just need to force the sort order
12:26<nekomaster>I dunno how
12:26<nekomaster>i have a vehicle sort
12:27<nekomaster>but the game isn't using it
12:27<andythenorth>sort(FEAT_TRAINS, [id, id, id])
12:27<andythenorth>or so
12:27<andythenorth>at the top of your nml
12:27<andythenorth>or near the top anywya
12:27<nekomaster>which nml?
12:27<nekomaster>and what do you do with the id?
12:27<andythenorth>usually after the grf {} block
12:28<nekomaster>in the header.pnml?
12:28<andythenorth>https://paste.openttdcoop.org/plqkzyzqp#line-52
12:28<andythenorth>example from Iron Horse
12:40<nekomaster>this is going to be tedious
12:44<andythenorth>templating :P
12:44<nekomaster>I dont think you can template the id
12:44<nekomaster>not the sorting thing
12:44<andythenorth>I do :)
12:44<andythenorth>unfortunately there’s a big gap between ‘coding using nml'
12:44<andythenorth>and ‘templating your entire set'
12:44<andythenorth>:P
12:45<nekomaster>unless you have a way to automatically put all the ID's in, that'll have to be done by hand
12:45<andythenorth>smaller colour vomit http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html
12:45<andythenorth>you’re right, it does have to be manual
12:45<andythenorth>even in Iron Horse, I set the buy menu order manually
12:47<andythenorth>you might be able to use the text IDs, not the numeric ones
12:47<andythenorth>not sure
12:47<andythenorth>haven’t tried :)
12:47<nekomaster>you mean like ITEM_STEAM_NG_280_CONSOLIDATION ?
12:47<@Alberth>sort on stats?
12:48<andythenorth>supermop_home: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html versus http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/v6360-1743/docs/html/economies.html
12:48<andythenorth>colour chips - intrusive vomit, or a nice touch?
12:48<andythenorth>and if the cargo colours are there, should I also do the map colour?
12:48<andythenorth>(for industries)
12:49<supermop_home>don't mind the colors
12:49<supermop_home>map color maybe - I never remember what they are
12:50<andythenorth>do the colours make the list harder to read?
12:50<andythenorth>or is it already quite hard anyway?
12:51<supermop_home>frosch123 it still doesn't recognize 'ROADVEH_FLAG_SPRITESTACK'
12:51<andythenorth>what if I lined them up in a table?
12:51<andythenorth>hmm
12:54<frosch123>supermop_home: it has an underscore SPRITE_STACK
12:55<supermop_home>:(
12:55<supermop_home>oops
12:57<frosch123>andythenorth: the problem is the sorting
12:57<frosch123>the list is alphabetical
12:57<frosch123>but what is the point of looking up a color?
12:57<andythenorth>In economies page? None
12:58<andythenorth>I was thinking to use a table to make them follow a grid
12:58<frosch123>you could plot them in a HUE disc possibly, to tell the distance
12:58<frosch123>but otherwise there is no point in the colors
12:58<frosch123>it there any schema in the colors, or are they just random?
12:58<andythenorth>derived from original TTD
12:58<andythenorth>then ‘looks like the cargo'
12:59<andythenorth>then ‘fill the gaps'
12:59<andythenorth>I am 50% this page is a case of ‘just because you can doesn’t mean you should’
12:59<andythenorth>i.e. colours are just noise
12:59<frosch123>probably
12:59<frosch123>colors have a purpose in yeti iirc
13:00<frosch123>since they reflect the cargo chains
13:00<frosch123>but that does not work in firs
13:00<andythenorth>yeah, this implies something of that sort
13:00<andythenorth>but it’s not reality
13:01*andythenorth removes it
13:13<andythenorth>coloured bars? http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/cargos.html
13:13<andythenorth>bad?
13:13<andythenorth>also I should probably make all cargo colours unique, globally
13:18<andythenorth>eh, what I should do is use the cargo icons
13:18<andythenorth>in the html docs
13:22*andythenorth removes the coloured bars :P
13:26<supermop_home>apparently 3000 hp is too much?
13:26<supermop_home>I got an error - action 0 property too large
13:38<nekomaster>wtf?
13:38<nekomaster>no
13:39<nekomaster>65535 HP is the largest you can go
13:39<nekomaster>at least for a rail vehicle
13:43<andythenorth>depends if you are setting the unit or not, iiirc
13:43<andythenorth>there’s a few places where you might have to divide
13:43*andythenorth would have to check
13:45<frosch123>maximum power for rv via property is 2550 hp
13:45<frosch123>perhaps you can get more by putting it into the graphics section
13:46<nekomaster>also the vehicle sorting still isn't working
13:51<andythenorth>turn it off and on again? o_O
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13:54<Snail>yo andythenorth
13:54<andythenorth>hi
13:56<Snail>I’m looking at your new cargoes (again)
13:56<Snail>BEANs… what kind of beans did you have in mind?
13:56<Snail>red beans? green beans?… :p
14:00<andythenorth>ha
14:00<andythenorth>I had that question
14:00<Snail>I need to find a way to make them look good in my wagons
14:01<andythenorth>I added some hint text last week ;) http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/cargos.html#beans
14:02<andythenorth>feedback is welcome on the hint text, it’s hard to do well
14:03<andythenorth>vehicle authors can / should do what they want, this is just guidance :)
14:04<Snail>ok… only tropic though?
14:05<andythenorth>only tropic basic currently
14:05<andythenorth>who knows what 2018 might bring :)
14:05<Snail>haha
14:05<Snail>ok, so I’ll add support for that
14:06<Snail>I might add 2 subtypes (fava beans, haricots verts)
14:07<andythenorth>nice touch
14:07<andythenorth>I researched a bit, there are a _lot_ of beans :P
14:18<Snail>does anyone know what track labels the Japanese trackset uses?
14:18<Snail>and Termite?
14:21<frosch123>the japanese ones are on the wiki
14:29<Snail>can’t find them on either http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/jptrains or http://www.as-st.com/ttd/japan/index.html
14:29<frosch123>https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/RailtypeLabels
14:30<Snail>thanks frosch123
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15:20<andythenorth>the Termite labels can be found by digging through the code http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/termite/repository/show/src
15:20<andythenorth>sorry, no convenient docs for them :P
15:21<andythenorth>I am 99% certain it only reuses existing labels
15:22<Snail>andythenorth: can you remember which ones?
15:23<frosch123>http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/termite/push/LATEST/termite.nml <- ctrl+f for "label" there
15:23<Snail>NGRL and ELRL… or NAAN, NAAE etc?
15:23<frosch123>SAA3, NAAN, NAAE
15:23<frosch123>only 3
15:23<Snail>right
15:23<Snail>so it should be compatible with my set
15:23<andythenorth>I have no idea what it all means :)
15:24<frosch123>there are a ton of "compatible" labels though
15:48<Snail>andythenorth: other question
15:48<andythenorth>yup
15:49<Snail>you classified JAVA as Piece Goods
15:49<Snail>so no raw coffee beans in open wagons? (covered by tarps)
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15:50<andythenorth>depends on how you’re treating open wagons :)
15:50<andythenorth>in my sets, open wagons are universal, refit everything except pax and mail
15:51<andythenorth>but for the short answer, real-life coffee beans travel in sacks, so piece
15:51<nekomaster>Gondolas and open wagons can be used for bulk and piece goods
15:51<nekomaster>depends on what and how much you put in
15:52<nekomaster>I imagine that you can easily put crates, wood chips, logs, steel coils, coal chunks/powder, etc
15:53<nekomaster>@Snail, if your talking about Narrow gauge stuff, NuTracks and Termite both work for Narrow Gauge with the NGRL and ELNG labels
15:53<andythenorth>it’s a vehicle set renaissance right now, eh?
15:53<andythenorth>:)
15:53<nekomaster>I use NGRL for the narrow gauge trains in NARS Add-on Set 2cc
15:54<nekomaster>I wonder if there are any electric narrow gauge stuff in North america
15:54<nekomaster>Industrial, Subway, metro, tourist line, logging, etc
15:54<Snail>nekomaster: I think NuTracks works with the “NAAN” etc. scheme
15:54<nekomaster>it still works with NGRL
15:54<Snail>so it works with both?
15:54<nekomaster>yup
15:55<nekomaster>Just have to force Nutracks to load Narrow Gauge and High Speed Narrow Gauge because its detection seems to be a bit off, but NG Stuff will appear where it should
15:55<Snail>yes, NuTracks is compatible with my set
15:55<Snail>the problem was the Japanese set
15:55<Snail>and I haven’t tried Termite yet
15:55<andythenorth>I am going to fold Termite into Iron Horse at some point
15:55<Snail>only issue with NuTracks is 3rd-rail NG vehicles
15:55<andythenorth>I can’t be arsed with separate railtype and train grf
15:55<Snail>coz I don’t think it supports NAA3
15:56<nekomaster>Yeah
15:56*andythenorth will have to pay the fine
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15:56<nekomaster>I kind of prefer to have the ability to load my own rail type grf or have the train set with parameters to disable its own railtypes if I so wish
15:57<andythenorth>I will include a parameter
15:57<andythenorth>but if you disable it, you’ll miss trains
15:57*andythenorth [shrug]
15:57<Snail>nekomaster: I agree, but the problem arises when a trackset uses labels that are not compatible with a trainset
15:58<nekomaster>Well thats why people should maybe use existing lables
15:58<Snail>for example I can’t use the Japanese tracks with French trains, because the former adopt the NGRL way
15:58<Snail>yep
15:58<nekomaster>or a proper table should be made like how theres one for the cargos
15:58<Snail>there is one but it’s incomplete —> https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/RailtypeLabels
16:02<andythenorth>and what’s out there is already out there :P
16:02<nekomaster>yeah
16:02<nekomaster>I just hope thigns dont get too tcrazy with RATT's
16:02<nekomaster>last thing we need is 100 lables for HIGHWAY
16:02<nekomaster>HGWY
16:03<nekomaster>HIWY
16:03<nekomaster>HWAY
16:03<supermop_home>add a motorway
16:03<Snail>problem is, everyone wants to make their own standards :D
16:03<supermop_home>incompatible with highway
16:04<supermop_home>I thought about adding bus guideway
16:04<nekomaster>I imagine that there should be some standardisation
16:04<supermop_home>in real life I hate BRT though
16:04<supermop_home>I also hate buses
16:04<supermop_home>but here I am week after week making a bus set
16:05<nekomaster>If I where going to do a road type set, id probably use these
16:05<nekomaster>GRVL, STON, ASPH, INTR, HWAY, AUTO
16:05<supermop_home>you need ROAD
16:05<nekomaster>oh yeah
16:05<supermop_home>else towns wont have anything
16:06<nekomaster>Would it be possible to set what road type towns spawn with?
16:06<supermop_home>not yet
16:06<nekomaster>because in starting in 1980 in north america feels weird having stone pavement
16:06<supermop_home>wolf was working on that
16:06<nekomaster>Ahh
16:06<nekomaster>Hmm
16:06<nekomaster>What about just switching around some code for what is ROAD
16:07<nekomaster>like it can be changed to act like stone paved roads or asphalt/city roads
16:07<nekomaster>either way
16:07<nekomaster>If someone like me doesnt like it I can always just rebuild the roads
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16:08<Wolf01>o/
16:08<nekomaster>ey, speak of the devil
16:09<Wolf01>I'm back from a 2 days lego meeting
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16:09<nekomaster>heh
16:09<Wolf01>Back with more lego too
16:09<Wolf01>XD
16:09<nekomaster>Nice
16:09<Wolf01>Purchased the Saturn V
16:09<nekomaster>hey, got any train lego stuff?
16:09<nekomaster>ooh
16:10<nekomaster>I wonder if someone could actually make a functional rocket with lego
16:10<Wolf01>Trains are too expensive both money and space wise
16:10<Wolf01>But there were a lot of trains
16:10<supermop_home>"i bought a Saturn V because a train was too expensive"
16:11<Wolf01>XD
16:11<supermop_home>nekomaster: in unspooled ROAD is stone paved with like a 60kmh speedlimit
16:11<nekomaster>yeah
16:11<nekomaster>I konw
16:11<nekomaster>I have tried it
16:11<supermop_home>you make make road whatever you want
16:12<nekomaster>I wish I coudl have RATT and JGR or Spring Patch pack
16:12<supermop_home>just so long as ROAD is in game somehow
16:12<nekomaster>but not like RATT is even in the stables or nightlies yet
16:12<supermop_home>you could even make ROAD a chairlift that no vehicles can drive on
16:12<nekomaster>heh
16:12<nekomaster>hmm
16:13<nekomaster>what stupid things could we do with RATT?
16:13<nekomaster>A super road? Designed for super high speed vehicles
16:13<supermop_home>well I actually am planning on doing chairlifts, gondola etc, but the catenary code isn't quite flexible enough
16:13<Wolf01><nekomaster> what stupid things could we do with RATT? <- the same stupid things one can already do with railtypes
16:14<nekomaster>lol
16:14<supermop_home>you can't draw poles in center of tile
16:14<Wolf01>We should address that
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16:14<nekomaster>Can't even force offsets or move the sprite?
16:15<supermop_home>you can have 'rear' poles that RVs are drawn over
16:15<andythenorth>center catenary might not be a bad move
16:15<andythenorth>but what about in cross-roads?
16:15<supermop_home>and 'front' poles that draw over RVs
16:15<nekomaster>Cross roads might have to have no pole in the middle
16:15<supermop_home>but not yet a center pole that has some more sophisticated draw order
16:16<supermop_home>when i think foobar was first drawing tramtracks a long time ago he wanted center poles, but couldn't make it work
16:16<andythenorth>Wolf01: can do that
16:16<andythenorth>just need to move the pole behind the first layer of vehicles
16:16<andythenorth>‘easy’ :P
16:17<supermop_home>nekomaster: the center poles would likely be at the center of tile edge in most cases
16:17<nekomaster>but what about the other direction
16:17<nekomaster>stuff behind the poles
16:17<supermop_home>you can also draw junction catenary to not have any poles
16:18<supermop_home>another thing road catenary misses - you can't have the poles spaced out every 2-3 tiles like on train tracks
16:19<nekomaster>hmm
16:19<nekomaster>would it be possible to have a road type with a grass median?
16:19<nekomaster>a small one that is
16:19<andythenorth>it could be drawn on
16:19<andythenorth>as long as it has no z-height
16:20<andythenorth>or leave a gap, and let ground tile show
16:20<nekomaster>Hmm, too bad we couldn't have some benifit to haveing certain types of road
16:20<nekomaster>like how in Cities skylines, tree lined or grass lined roads reduce noise and polution and makes people happier
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16:36<supermop_home>andythenorth: if you can have a center catenary pylon, you can draw a tall median or hedge as a pylon
16:36<supermop_home>ok finally got this to compile
16:41<andythenorth>fixed all cargo colours :) http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/code_reference.html
16:42<supermop_home>my test tram thinks its a trolley bus
16:42<andythenorth>(sort the table by colour for nice effect)
16:42<nekomaster>lol
16:43<supermop_home>odd
16:43<supermop_home>I put road_type: my mistake
16:43<supermop_home>but I set the type as ELRL
16:44<supermop_home>yet it knows to run on ELRD compatible roads only
16:44<supermop_home>nothing that says ELRL = ELRD in my code
16:44<nekomaster>@andythenorth yeah, that sorting thing isn't working
16:44<supermop_home>I wonder if this could be useful
16:44<nekomaster>https://paste.openttdcoop.org/plqkzyzqp#line-52
16:44<nekomaster>things still aren't listening to me
16:45<andythenorth>nekomaster: paste your code
16:45<nekomaster>https://www.dropbox.com/s/borz3sz0gt87ihg/header.pnml?dl=0
16:46<andythenorth>nekomaster: does it compile ok?
16:46<nekomaster>yes
16:46<nekomaster>it compiles with no warnings
16:46<andythenorth>your IDs are all in numerical order
16:46<andythenorth>that will give you same order as without the sort property ;)
16:46<nekomaster>yes, but things aren't staying in that order
16:47<nekomaster>I want things to be in numerical order and things are not
16:47<andythenorth>what’s your buy menu sort set to?
16:47<nekomaster>my narrow gauge passenger cars are all the way at the bottom of the freight wagon section
16:47<nekomaster>Classic sort
16:47<supermop_home>ugh too many trucks
16:48<andythenorth>hmm
16:48<supermop_home>8 types of truck body * 5 generations of trucks * 2 styles of truck (rigid and semi)
16:49<nekomaster>I have it set up in a certain way and somethings end up getting shoved to the bottom
16:49<supermop_home>wish could just assemble cab + trailer like a train
16:49<andythenorth>do all the vehicles have numeric IDs set?
16:49<nekomaster>yes
16:49<andythenorth>supermop_home: nah, I started a patch for that, but it’s bad
16:49<andythenorth>nekomaster: I am stumped tbh :P
16:49<andythenorth>there will be a reason, but can’t see it
16:50<supermop_home>then I could have 1-2 tractors per generation rather than 8
16:50<nekomaster>I could just link you to my project folder so you can look over the major files
16:50<andythenorth>supermop_home don’t worry about the tractors, it’s 8 body styles
16:50<nekomaster>https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mfrv5nwjnq1qmin/AAAnsH1kZv6wrzbBjuneaL0_a?dl=0
16:50<andythenorth>you actually have fewer vehicles this way
16:50<andythenorth>nekomaster: I would look, but bedtime here
16:50<nekomaster>ahh
16:51<nekomaster>i mean its not a game breaking thing but I want things to look clean
16:51<nekomaster>this code eventually might be used to make a new NARS set of my own
16:52<supermop_home>oops my 4th gen dual mode tanker semi forgot to allow a trailer to attach
16:52<supermop_home>for an impressive capacity of 0L of chemicals
16:53<supermop_home>maybe the driver can carry a jug in the cab
16:53<andythenorth>gas :P
16:53<Snail>andythenorth: how would you suggest to color “coke”?
16:53<supermop_home>andythenorth before you go
16:53<Snail>same as coal?
16:53<andythenorth>Snail: like coal pretty much
16:53<supermop_home>delivering vehicles: on flatbeds or a tractor pulling 3 tractors like they do here
16:54<supermop_home>Snail I use same color as coal
16:54<andythenorth>seems I just reused coal for coke in CHIPS
16:54<andythenorth>supermop_home: dunno, vehicles is stupid
16:54<supermop_home>yep
16:54<andythenorth>vehicles are in daft units
16:54<supermop_home>not uncommon to see trucks delivered that way here
16:55<andythenorth>“Production: 8 vehicles”
16:55<andythenorth>but the capacity of wagons is still 30 vehicles
16:55<andythenorth>there’s no adjustment for unit size
16:56<supermop_home>make it not piece goods
16:56<andythenorth>vehicles should be just weighted in tonnes
16:56<andythenorth>measured / weighted /s
16:56<supermop_home>pourable bulk cars
16:56<supermop_home>i'll take 40,000 liters of fiat punto please
16:57<Wolf01>XD
16:57<andythenorth>‘x tonnes of vehicles’ looks stupid at the factory
16:57<andythenorth>but the alternative is a PITA for vehicle grfs
16:57<supermop_home>screw em
16:58<supermop_home>ugh I start random games to test each compile of grf
16:58<supermop_home>and think "ok need to check that the sprite stack works on that box truck"
16:58<Wolf01>I think I'll throw myself on the bed
16:58<nekomaster>unless theres something major, I just make a TEST SAVE that i keep reloading the GRF's in
16:58<supermop_home>then spend 10 minutes trying to decide the nicest looking goods route to built to test it
16:59<nekomaster>but I will make a new game if I think that something might be going on
16:59<nekomaster>I pretty much just make two loops where one is flat land and the other goes up a steep mountain to test the traction and power
16:59<andythenorth>‘crates of vehicles’? :P
16:59<supermop_home>then I identify the problems but by then I want to keep playing instead of fixing them and re-compiling
16:59<nekomaster>Bags of vehicles?
16:59<supermop_home>andythenorth: if the crate is big enough
17:00<nekomaster>Perhaps 40 Units of Vehicles would be better?
17:00<andythenorth>nice idea
17:00<andythenorth>but I think units is too nothing
17:00*andythenorth tries tonnes
17:00<Wolf01>I can't understand why I'm looking at this from the pow of the starcraft dropship
17:01<nekomaster>Thats how they package things sometimes
17:01<nekomaster>Like for example, I'll see that a box has 7 units of bleach
17:01<nekomaster>7 jugs
17:02<Wolf01>Like on elevators, you have "max 750kg", sometimes "max 750kg / 9 people"
17:03<andythenorth>21 axles of vehicles
17:03<andythenorth>that’s how railroad vehicles are measured sometimes :P
17:03<nekomaster>9001 bushels of vehicles
17:03<Wolf01>Measure vehicles in components
17:04<nekomaster>then again, tonnes of vehicles kind of works for stuff because most cars are around or over 1 tonne
17:04<nekomaster>like a 1780 kg muscle car
17:04<nekomaster>or a 960 kg Lotus
17:05<andythenorth>300hp of vehicles
17:05<nekomaster>300 cubic meters of vehicles
17:06<andythenorth>nice idea
17:06<supermop_home>hmm nope, the dual mode trucks pantographs don't switch to lowered when on non-electric road
17:06<nekomaster>like they're a gas
17:07<andythenorth>bed
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17:24<supermop_home>wait huh the switch does work for the panto
17:24<supermop_home>but not for the sparks
17:24<supermop_home>it's still emitting diesel smoke under wires
17:32<Wolf01>Maybe the type is cached in game
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17:54<FLHerne>It works for UKRS2's cl73
17:55<FLHerne>(on rail)
17:55<supermop_home>hmm
17:55<Wolf01>But RATT is experimental, it might not be fully supported
18:06<supermop_home>now I need to figure out how to stack sprites in different orders depending on rotation
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22:01<Vadtec>its not possible to replace say monorail trains with maglev trains via the replace vehicles interface?
22:10<debdog>you'll need some sort of unversal rail thingy for that
22:11<Vadtec>thats sad
22:11<debdog>like newgrf UniversalRail Type 2.0.1
22:12<Vadtec>it would be nice if you could upgrade across rail types, then just have to convert your rails over
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22:13<debdog>yes, hence the said newgrf
22:14<Vadtec>cept im in a long running game right now...
22:16<debdog>hehe, hope you don't have too many trains running
22:17<Vadtec>only 60...lol
22:18<Vadtec>derp... 90
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22:18<Vadtec>i just dont have any way to build a maglev network alongside my other rails
22:19<Vadtec>some of these stations are hard core land locked
22:20<debdog>hmm, there is a way to convert.
22:20<Vadtec>yeah, i can covert the rails no problem
22:20<Vadtec>its the trains thats the issue
22:20<debdog>but each train separately and preferably one train per depot
22:21<debdog>it's somewhere in the wiki, let me check....
22:22<debdog>https://wiki.openttd.org/Convert_rail#Tips
22:23<Vadtec>hmmm
22:24<Vadtec>if i didnt have 6-8 trains per grouping that might work
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22:25<Vadtec>im thinking ill clone each train in the new depot, then convert the track and hook the depot up to the new track
22:32<Vadtec>well thats going to be tedious....
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22:45<Vadtec>does anyone have a set of instructions on how to build the dual-tetrathorp? im building it, but i keep coming up with mismatches and its pissin me off
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