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04:45<Wolf01>o/
04:45<crem>\o
04:48<__ln___>http://www.tinmith.net/wayne/blog/2017/06/immersive-flight-sim-4.htm
04:51<Wolf01>Ahahah nice one
04:57<Wolf01>Mmmmh, I can't launch astroneer :|
05:00<Wolf01>"just restart steam"
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05:46<peter1138>heh nice
05:51<peter1138>x-plane 10 doesn't have monitor angle correction :(
05:51<peter1138>and there's no upgrade path to x-plane 11 :(
05:53<peter1138>£55!
05:56<__ln___>that's a lot of £s
05:59<Wolf01>Meh, gathered all near resources... no resources to build a rover :(
06:19<Wolf01>https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aMAegwA_460sv.mp4 lol, is it really like it?
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07:57<FLHerne>Youtube subtitles to anything said in a Welsh accent certainly are
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07:58<FLHerne>I Eddie Betts and you will have finally unrolled for glowing under your prior and we schulhauf bitch and keeps 68 lol ok how do you make any event name?
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09:37<supermop>yo
09:37<crem>yo++
09:38<LordAro>^(yo)+
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09:46<Alkel_U3>^yo$
09:49<Alkel_U3>Every time I do some makeshift pixelart for whatever I grab the TTD pallete. I should learn to make my own.
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10:32<peter1138>i liked the restricted palette minecraft textures that used to do the rounds
10:32<peter1138>some kind of challenge to create good art with minimal colours
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10:50<supermop>peter1138: my wife once got me a japanese graphic design book that just contained a bunch of different 3, 4, and 5 color palettes
10:50<supermop>making art with 5 colors is more interesting than with 255
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10:52<peter1138>this is why 32bpp is a flop ;p
10:57<peter1138>ok...
10:58<peter1138>£2400 for a i9 7900x system
10:58<supermop>modelling buildings etc is much more enjoyable for me, but im not craxy about the look of the prerendered sprites
10:58<supermop>i9 is a thing?
10:58<peter1138>yea
10:58<peter1138>s/system/components
10:58<peter1138>mind you that is 128GB of ram, which is possibly excessive
10:59<supermop>if the game was rendered, with lighting and shadows, 32bpp would look ok
10:59<peter1138>yes
10:59<supermop>keep everything in ram all the time
10:59<peter1138>basically
11:00<peter1138>ok, £1600 with "only" 32GB ram
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11:32<@Alberth>o/
11:35<supermop>yo
11:37<LordAro>/o
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12:24<LordAro>Alberth: https://gist.github.com/LordAro/760063761dc46bacb0c37576c296361a updated (now with fixed indentation!)
12:24<LordAro>(among others)
12:25<@Alberth>hmm, need dinner first :)
12:26<LordAro>:p
12:26<LordAro>decidedly still needs testing though
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13:19<Wolf01>Quak
13:19<frosch123>moi
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13:34<@Alberth>o/
13:36<LordAro>quak
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14:03<@Alberth>o/
14:06<andythenorth>hi
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14:26<andythenorth>FIRS More Basic?
14:27<frosch123>do you have an asian economy?
14:27<frosch123>rice, chinaware, spices
14:28<andythenorth>rice, computer chips, hondas
14:28<andythenorth>no
14:28<andythenorth>I would need to be sure I’m not trading in bad stereotypes :P
14:28<andythenorth>but the idea appeals
14:28<frosch123>i would prefer a focus on pre 1800 cargos, instead of electronics
14:29<andythenorth>samurai
14:29<frosch123>good name :)
14:29<andythenorth>opium
14:29<frosch123>samurai economy
14:29<andythenorth>no imports :P
14:29<andythenorth>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakoku
14:30<Eddi|zuHause>Sudoku?
14:31<frosch123>i am not sure whether an "oil and dates" would offer enough cargos
14:31<frosch123>+economy
14:40<andythenorth>there’s always pax and mail :P
14:45<@Alberth>nah, mail travels by pigeon
14:45<@Alberth>and people walk :)
14:48<frosch123>i think historical cargos make economies more distinct
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14:49<gr3m>hi all
14:49<andythenorth>there is the issue of transport, no? o_O
14:49<frosch123>historical cargos, modern transport :)
14:50<frosch123>there are no tracks on the map at the start
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14:50<frosch123>so it makes sense to set the starting economy to pre-railroad :p
14:52<@Alberth>lots of people are willing to make suitable vehicles, I think :)
14:53<andythenorth>in some ways, going back further would be interesting
14:54<andythenorth>Romans used to transport wine around Europe in bulk tankers
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14:55<andythenorth>meanwhile, what should cargo weights be set to? http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/code_reference.html#cargos
14:55<andythenorth>they seem to have arbitrary variation right now
14:57<@Alberth>wait until someone finds errors, then ask him to make a prposal :p
14:58<andythenorth>I don’t really know what cargo weight does
14:58<andythenorth>I assume it’s fractions of the ruling unit
15:01<frosch123>it affects weight of the wagon, i.e. how much power your engine needs
15:01<frosch123>wagon capacity is set in units, not in weight
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15:02<frosch123>maybe it would better be called "density"
15:03<andythenorth>maybe
15:03<andythenorth>it does make sense currently
15:03<frosch123>set it to 1 for watery things
15:03<frosch123>lower for oily stuff
15:03<frosch123>way higher for metally stuff
15:03<andythenorth>someone should look up RL values or something
15:04<andythenorth>or…RL trains and RVS are govered by weight :P
15:04<andythenorth>so eh, 1 for everything
15:04<frosch123>also true, it only applies to piece cargo
15:05<frosch123>and liquids
15:05<andythenorth>the current model seems to assume 1 unit MNSP is much lighter than 1 unit ENSP
15:05<andythenorth>but everybody know cardboard is light
15:05<andythenorth>1 ton of cardboard weighs much less than 1 ton of tractors
15:06<peter1138>yes
15:08<andythenorth>is it done yet? o_O
15:08<andythenorth>hmm
15:08<andythenorth>“The readme is crap, improve”
15:08<andythenorth>from my notes
15:08<peter1138>i had lots of stuff to do
15:09<peter1138>then i stopped doing stuff again :(
15:09<peter1138>silly me
15:09<andythenorth>it’s a daft approach
15:09<peter1138>i blame cycling
15:09<andythenorth>it’s too hot for that
15:09*andythenorth cycled to work
15:09<andythenorth>and back
15:09<peter1138>i used to spend all evening and weekend on it
15:09<peter1138>sunday i got up early, went out at 6.30, and came back after 100 miles...
15:09<andythenorth>cycling is addictive
15:09<andythenorth>and doesn’t have cross-platform BS
15:10<peter1138>graphics are better
15:10<andythenorth>it has weather
15:10<andythenorth>OpenTTD does not
15:10<peter1138>day/night cycle
15:10<peter1138>particles
15:10<peter1138>shaders
15:10<andythenorth>what does this all mean? http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/readme.txt
15:10<andythenorth>should I delete it?
15:10<andythenorth>it’s totally disconnected from http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/
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15:13<frosch123>isn't there some html to asciiart renderer?
15:13<@Alberth>lynx?
15:13<frosch123>can it also do svg?
15:14<@Alberth>not likely
15:14<@Alberth>svg may have been invented later :p
15:14<@Rubidium>can't you just make an image and push it through mplayer's renderer?
15:54<supermop>been out all day looking for a tile that doesn't exist
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16:09<@Alberth>seen lots of things you didn't see before?
16:09<andythenorth>tile shopping is the worst human activity
16:09<andythenorth>outside the obvious candidates
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16:19<andythenorth>no tile is ever the tile you want
16:19<andythenorth>except the one you could never afford
16:23*andythenorth biab, or bed
16:23<andythenorth>except too hot to sleep :P
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16:58<Wolf01>https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aq14QBY_460sv.mp4 :'D
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17:07<Alkel_U3>yeah, Schmetterling is my favourite
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17:32<Eddi|zuHause>isn't that like 5 years old now?
17:35<Wolf01>Maybe
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