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00:58<stupidkiller>hello
00:58<stupidkiller>anyone here ?
00:59<quiznilo>I'm here
00:59<quiznilo>:)
01:00<stupidkiller>i want to share my saved games with all of you around the world,i have try to register the account but i cannot receive the activation email
01:00<quiznilo>you probably need someone important then!
01:00<stupidkiller>anyone mind to help me post up my saved games ?
01:00<quiznilo>and not me
01:03<stupidkiller>who i need to looking for ?
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01:20<quiznilo>I don't know heh
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07:20<Wolf01>o/
07:21<crem>\o
07:22<__ln__> o
07:22<__ln__>/
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07:39<@planetmaker>\o
07:44<@peter1138>innit
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08:27<Wolf01>Mmmh, I think today is not the right day to play diablo 3
08:30<Wolf01>I can't understand how I can have 4s lag with my ISP
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08:41<Alkel_U3>you may as well just use IPoAC with these latencies
08:41<Wolf01>IPoPigeons
09:39<supermop>yo
09:39<supermop>accidentally made road trains carry like 300+ tons
09:43<supermop>hmm no dala horse gifs
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09:52<supermop>so in latest version of my grf i had trouble bumping up against the maximum running cost factor
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10:29<@Alberth>o/
10:29<Wolf01>o/
10:33<crem>o/
10:33<supermop>yo
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10:37<trainman1432>hoi
10:39<trainman1432>sandwich
10:39<@Alberth>/me takes sandwich
10:45<supermop>cant tell why these roadtrain capacities are so high
10:45<@Alberth>unlimited height
10:46<@Alberth>also, how long are those things?
10:46<supermop>3 trailers
10:46<supermop>about two tiles
10:46<@Alberth>hmm, not nearly anything close to a train length, thus
10:47<@Alberth>must be the compression algorithm then
10:47<supermop>should be a bit less than 3 times a regular semi truck in capacity, but they are carrying way more
10:48<@Alberth>someone felt they weren't good competition for regular trains :p
10:51<supermop>switch (FEAT_ROADVEHS, SELF, switch_capacity_h1_box, build_year ) { 0..5000000: ((param_capacity*20)*3)/4
10:52<supermop>switch (FEAT_ROADVEHS, SELF, switch_capacity_c1_box, build_year ) { 0..5000000: ((param_capacity*20)/4)
10:52<supermop>h1 should be 3x c1, right?
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10:56<@Alberth>it's a label that points to the switch, so each should be uniq
10:56<supermop>instead im getting like more than 5x
10:57<@Alberth>you mean x*20*3 / 4 ?
10:57<@Alberth>@calc 600/4
10:57<@DorpsGek>Alberth: 150
10:57<supermop>for example, a c2 mineral truck carries 38 tons, h2 mineral road train carries 204
10:57<@Alberth>hmm, right, 20/4 is already 5 :p
10:58<@Alberth>isn't there a unit definition as well?
10:58<supermop>maybe i am messing some order of operations thing up
10:58<@Alberth>ie 1 unit in openttd is xx,xxx l stuff
10:59<supermop>the capacity switches are the same for both road train and semi except for that *3
11:00<@Alberth>how many bits is the value? *600 doesn't even closely fit in 8 bit, for example
11:01<@Alberth>don't know the precision used for these calculations however
11:02<@Alberth>*20 / 4 == * 5
11:02<@Alberth>so *5 * 3 should do the same thing
11:03<@Alberth>@calc 256/15
11:03<@DorpsGek>Alberth: 17.0666666667
11:03<@Alberth>anything larger than capacity=17 overflows in 8 bit
11:04<@Alberth>@calc 32767/15
11:04<@DorpsGek>Alberth: 2184.46666667
11:04<supermop>maybe i should rework the way these switches work, but as is, the big number given is the 'vanilla' capacity a truck or trailer would have if param_capacity is set to the default value
11:04<supermop>which is 2
11:05<@Alberth>perhaps check what happens if you hardcode it to 1 unit, do you get 1t cargo then?
11:06<supermop>the /4 is so that in the case of a two part RV like a semi-truck, 2 /4 * 20 * (2 parts) = 20 t for a semi truck with one trailer
11:06<supermop>the road train is 4 parts, 3 of which should carry cargo
11:07<supermop>so i need 3*20 hmm
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11:07<supermop>2 / 4 *3 *4 = 6 oops
11:08<supermop>ok i am dumb
11:08<@Alberth>just copy the formula into the compiler :)
11:09<@Alberth>24*60 is much more clear than 1440 :)
11:09<supermop>ctrl H *3)/4 -> *3)/8 would fix it
11:09<@Alberth>problem solved
11:10<supermop>instead of using the parameter value as a coefficient, maybe i should instead have switch select from a few capacities based on parament
11:10<supermop>parameter
11:12<supermop>hopefully no one fell in love with 200 t trucks with only 200hp
11:18<supermop>pretty happy with my early truck graphics
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11:20<@Alberth>they can always just stick with the current newgrf :)
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11:28<supermop>ok also forgot the switch that prevents trailers from making smoke
11:29<supermop>what else can i add to this grf to procrastinate drawing trams
11:32<supermop>'refrigerated road train' seems stupid
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12:30<frosch123>Wolf01: yet another canal mail
12:30<Wolf01>:D
12:31<Wolf01>I really broke the interwebz with that announce
12:34<V453000>wot
12:36<Wolf01>The april fool
12:37<V453000>it's end of June? :D
12:37<Wolf01>Yes, but... somebody didn't get the joke XD
12:40<@Alberth>o/
12:44<frosch123>hoi
12:44<frosch123>i have no idea why people read the april news
12:44<frosch123>it was my main reason to write a post for rc1
12:45<frosch123>just to get the april one away from the top
12:46<Wolf01>Put a disclaimer, red, 54pts, uppercase, comic s... no that would be bad: "WE WON'T REMOVE CANALS, IT WAS AN APRIL FOOL"
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12:52<Wolf01>Or tell them we are planning to remove roads...
12:53<Wolf01>Just to replace them with more roads
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13:00<@Alberth>replace them with not roads
13:13<supermop>i think you should actually remove them now
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13:41<Wolf01>o/
13:42<andythenorth>hi
13:43<supermop>YO
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13:56<andythenorth>isn’t it
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15:06<andythenorth>such game
15:06*andythenorth has been busy
15:07<andythenorth>not pixels
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16:22<supermop>its andy again
16:25<andythenorth>laptop keeps losing connection
16:25*andythenorth bored of technology
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16:27*supermop bored of fixing trucks
16:27*Wolf01 bored of being bored
16:28<andythenorth>meta
16:28<andythenorth>you win
16:30<supermop>im going to add a switch so HP increments a bit by build year
16:30<supermop>then you dont ever need multiple generations of truck
16:30<supermop>just one truck that gets better every 5 years or whatever
16:32<supermop>power = some base hp + (Build year - introduction year)
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16:42<Wolf01>Isn't it a bit confusing?
16:42<frosch123>did you ever look at hp when buying a truck?
16:42<Wolf01>Nah
16:43<Wolf01>Mmmh, I need more steel
16:44<frosch123>i need more copper
16:44<frosch123>resp, more stations, 48 stack unloaders are not enough
16:44<Wolf01>I have enough of that, but 12 furnaces for steel can't keep up
16:44<supermop>Wolf01: its a small amount
16:45<supermop>and is better than having more frequent generations
16:45<Wolf01>Yes, it helps
16:45<supermop>its not that weird to go buy a 2010 punto or what ever, and then buy a 2015 later that has maybe 5-10 more hp
16:46<supermop>not so big they advertise it, but maybe whatever they used to save fuel got a little better and doesn't rob as much hp anymore
16:47<supermop>or maybe the truck is a VW and they reprogrammed the engine to cheat
16:47<Wolf01>Like it's the only brand to do that :P
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16:48<supermop>Mop brand trucks will do it from 1910 onward
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18:36<supermop>ok yet another version posted to forums
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