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---Logopened Mon Jul 17 00:00:14 2017
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02:06<amote>GRSecurity is Violating the Linux kernel???? Why would they do that???????
02:06<amote>http://perens.com/blog/2017/06/28/warning-grsecurity-potential-contributory-infringement-risk-for-customers/
02:06<amote>https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/07/09/188246/bruce-perens-warns-grsecurity-breaches-the-linux-kernels-gpl-license
02:06<amote>WHY????
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05:22<Wolf01>Moin
05:23<crem>Yes.
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10:27<@Alberth>o/
10:28<crem>\o
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11:16<supermop>so i've made an error which will cost us 5000usd
11:16<supermop>but my boss is in cuba
11:17<supermop>so he cant get angry yet, but i also cant get the unpleasantness out of the way to get the 5000usd paid
11:18<@planetmaker>shit happens, I guess
11:18<supermop>also thatis pretty small for most construction jobs, but this case is bad due to how stupid of an error it is and how blatantly it is solely my fault
11:19<supermop>also this particular client is the type to go apoplectic over stuff like this
11:20<supermop>also because he never got around to hiring a replacement when my colleague quit, and just has been pocketing the extra salary (private company) i cant even just get fired
11:21<supermop>because then there will literally be no one to manage the project
11:21<supermop>tbh i'd rather get fired
11:22<@planetmaker>well, you did learn from it as you seemingly are very unlikely to do the same mistake again :)
11:22<supermop>nah
11:22<supermop>it was a mistake i 'learnt' like 10 ears ago
11:22<supermop>just pure brain error to make it now
11:23<@planetmaker>However, it's your boss' problem if he creates conditions under which the employees he urgently needs consider to quit at the next good opportunity (that's how I read you)
11:23<supermop>looked at a set of submitted drawings from contractor 6+ times to correct other errors in them
11:23<@planetmaker>It's his risk that he will end up with no-one being able to fulfill the tasks which he committed to seeing fulfilled
11:24<supermop>but always missed one dimension that was 29" instead of 36" each time
11:24<@planetmaker>you don't need to feel an obligation there ;)
11:24<supermop>should have noticed it was wrong just by proportion
11:25<@planetmaker>meh, that sucks :)
11:28<supermop>even if it were metric, shouldn't need a label to see the difference between 74 and 91 cm
11:30<supermop>millworker could submit drawing showing the cabinet is an impossible klein bottle
11:30<supermop>and if i write approved on it, it's my (actually my boss's) fault that it cannot be built
11:31<supermop>so i got no way out here
11:33<@planetmaker>:) sounds like. Tell the customer (if he needs telling and you're allowed to) Tell your boss. You did an honest mistake. That's it. The sun will continue to shine also for you :)
11:33<@planetmaker>you're not a freaking robot :)
11:38<@Alberth>yep, humans make errors, it's always surprising how many errors people find when reviewing my code
11:39<@Alberth>some are just how you look at it, some are true improvements, and some are simple errors by me
11:39<@Alberth>that's why you have reviews, imho
11:39<@Alberth>too bad you can't enjoy that service :(
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12:02<supermop>Alberth: at least with code, even if you manage to cause thousands of dollars of losses somehow, you can at least update
12:03<supermop>unfortunately with real thing made out of material by lowest bidder, fixing it later is difficult even if you can pay the cost
12:13<supermop>but i already made my peace with being at fault
12:13<supermop>so i don't feel that bad now, just hope i can find a practical fix
12:15<@Alberth>update doesn't always get there in time, ie exploding ariane 5 rocket :p
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12:15<supermop>Alberth: with a rocket, lots of people lots of money so they all shrug it off
12:16<supermop>if one client spends 5000$, it feels much more serious
12:17<@Alberth>the only thing you can do now is to try fix it somehow, as you say
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12:23<frosch123>hoi
12:23<supermop>yo
12:25<frosch123>supermop: some years ago *they* introduced a new offer calculatation excelsheet in my company to finally fix calculations being wrong. the first offer that went out was several 100k off, because the formulas in the sheet did not sum all cells they were supposed to
12:26<supermop>at least no one would notice 5000 then
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12:42<supermop>need to draw some tram parts
12:43<supermop>meant to do so over the weekend but just drew house parts instead
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