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04:26<@Alberth>o/
04:29<LordAro>o/
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05:20<Eddi|zuHause>aw, there's an "i like trams" achievement, but i can't get it because i use mods :/
05:24<@Alberth>:p
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06:10<Wolf01>https://youtu.be/A5aZa-G9Wqo nice one
06:13<@Alberth>o/
06:13<Wolf01>http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=895561914&searchtext= OMG finally somebody made a mod for this
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09:13<eekee>what are the requirements to fund a farm in arctic terrain? i keep getting 'site unsuitable' on a big patch of flat land i've raised out of the water
09:13<eekee>(1.6.1)
09:14<Wolf01>Must be under the snow height limit
09:15<eekee>snow height is 3, land height is 1
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09:18<Wolf01>Could you retry with higher snow line? Just to be sure it isn't a variable snow line (which shouldn't be in arctic)
09:19<eekee>aha! it worked with snow line set higher than the highest land, and it's covered a mountain with a field. thanks :)
09:20<eekee>reduce snow line back to three, field replaced with snow. that's nice
09:21<Wolf01>Do you play with vanilla or some industry grf? A grf might have different needs than vanilla
09:21<eekee>vanilla industried
09:22<eekee>s/d$/s/
09:22<Wolf01>So it's strange, it whould have allowed the farm on level 1 while snow line is 3
09:23<eekee>looks like it failed when it couldn't put a field on the mountain
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09:23<Wolf01>Maybe the terrain must be completely clean, without snow bits
09:24<eekee>i didn't give it long to change, but after the farm was made, terrain on the mountain not covered by fields was clean
09:24<Wolf01>I'll give it a try this evening if I remember to
09:24<eekee>oke :)
09:25<@Alberth>snow starts lower than snw-level, iirc
09:25<Wolf01>Yes, but then there's inconsistency
09:26<eekee>it's an old game
09:26<@Alberth>snow level is fully white
09:26<@Alberth>so you have 2 tile levels below it with partial snow
09:27<Wolf01>And farms don't like that
09:27<@Alberth>apparently
09:27<@Alberth>should be easily findable in the code I guess, let me check
09:28<eekee>here there's patchy snow at the snow level, and a little one level below :)
09:28<Wolf01>Wiki should be updated, and a warning should be thrown even when loading a game which doesn't allow building farms because of too low snow line
09:28<eekee>it wanted to put a field all the way up at level 7 and failed when it couldn't
09:29<eekee>it's a tiny map, 64x64, so there's no space for all the flat land it wants :)
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09:33<@Alberth>if (GetTileZ(tile) + 2 >= HighestSnowLine()) return_cmd_error(STR_ERROR_SITE_UNSUITABLE);
09:34<@Alberth>industry_command.cpp, line 1237-ish
09:34<Wolf01>Good
09:34<eekee>it makes that test for fields, not just the farm buildings
09:34<@Alberth>so at least 3 below
09:34<eekee>oh 3 below
09:34<Wolf01>https://wiki.openttd.org/Farm need to be updated
09:37<@Alberth>update page
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09:41<Eddi|zuHause>hm, i'm getting a traffic jam on an onramp because there's no dedicated acceleration lane, and they're trying to directly go to the 3rd lane of the highway without any speed
09:41<Wolf01>Write a better vehicle3 ai
09:41<Wolf01>Or ask Elon Musk for one
09:42<Wolf01>(this happens a lot even on transport fever)
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09:45<Eddi|zuHause>also, if there's two lanes going the same way, you can be sure all traffic is jamming in one lane, while the other one is completely empty
09:46<Wolf01>There are traffic lights on C:S?
09:46<Eddi|zuHause>yes
09:47<Eddi|zuHause>you can (now) even switch them on and off
09:47<Wolf01>TF only have plain intersections with "I don't give a fuck of the priority rules"
09:48<Wolf01>Must go now, bbl
09:48<+michi_cc>Eddi|zuHause: I seriously recommend using Traffic Manager President Edition if you don't already.
09:49<Eddi|zuHause>i have some traffic manager thing, not sure what it's called exactly, but it includes some vehicle AI stuff
09:50<+michi_cc>TMPE has a setting (can't recall if it's on by default) that will prevent more than one highway lane change at a time.
09:51<Eddi|zuHause>i have this one: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=498363759
09:52<Eddi|zuHause>don't know how up to date it is, added it quite a long time ago
09:55<Eddi|zuHause>the primary function of that which i always use is disallowing left turns
09:55<Eddi|zuHause>(or otherwise customising which lanes lead where)
09:56<+michi_cc>Haven't used that one, but at least from the screenshots TMPE seems to have some more options.
09:56<+michi_cc>You might want the lane connector of TMPE then :) http://www.viathinksoft.de/tmpe/#lane-connector
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10:02<Eddi|zuHause>that sounds nice, but i'm not sure whether changing mods halfway through is a great idea :p
10:04<Eddi|zuHause>what's also annyoing: the second bus at a bus stop doesn't quite fit, and thus blocks the road with its back
10:04<Eddi|zuHause>(even if it visually would fit)
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10:12<eekee1>this old "long vehicle" grf has trucks which can hardly pull their own weight out of the depot when 'realistic acceleration' is on
10:13<frosch123>that set is probably older than rv acceleration
10:14<frosch123>i would guess lv4 is from 2006
10:14<eekee1>it's got "2007" in the grf name :)
10:14<eekee1>close! hehe
10:14<frosch123>:)
10:25<Eddi|zuHause>what i'm also missing is a traffic light with a separate "turn left" phase
10:25<eekee1>what game?
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10:32<Eddi|zuHause>cities skylines
10:33<eekee1>ah
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10:34<+michi_cc>Eddi|zuHause: http://www.viathinksoft.de/tmpe/#timed-lights :p
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10:35<Eddi|zuHause>i *think* that is included in my version, but i didn't figure out the meaning of all the buttons/windows
10:36<eekee1>no actual text until you get to the expansions section!
10:36<eekee1>on http://www.citiesskylines.com/ i mean
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10:40<eekee1>i'm dizzy already, barely 10% into the first video lol
10:51<eekee1>lv4 has some really nice art, except some of the vehicles look curiously flattened
11:02<Eddi|zuHause>michi_cc: now, if i could save traffic light patterns as templates...
11:08<andythenorth_>o/
11:13<+michi_cc>There is copy and past, but only inside the running game.
11:14<eekee1>anyone tried the android transport tycoon game? the one with chris sawyer's name on it. i started, but i use my tablet too much already
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11:15<frosch123>there are people on the forums who tried it
11:15<frosch123>i did not have the impression that it got well received
11:16<eekee1>ah, fair enough.
11:16<eekee1>i liked the bus stop arrangement, but it's wierd seeing 90s isometric tricks on a tablet :)
11:16<frosch123>it's locomotion
11:16<frosch123>which is from 2004?
11:17<eekee1>ohh right :)
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11:42<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: doesn't mean it doesn't use 90s tricks :p
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12:52<andythenorth_>8/8 or 12/8? o_O
12:52<andythenorth_>http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/GDR-Handmade-Model-H0-WESTModel-altbau-E-92-79-DRG-ep-2-Silesia-/202002962370?hash=item2f085097c2%3Ag%3ASDwAAOSw4CFYsD2D&_trkparms=pageci%253A513adf71-7547-11e7-aa67-74dbd1800920%257Cparentrq%253A9468cc7d15d0aa47a034497ffffc877c%257Ciid%253A4
13:02<supermop_home>andy you do consulting work right?
13:03<supermop_home>what is the hourly rate you bill for the most senior consultant's (your) time?
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13:37<andythenorth_>supermop_home: USD amount?
13:38<supermop_home>market vaule of time spent thinking about train lengths
13:39<andythenorth_>rate card $200 USD exc sales tax
13:39<andythenorth_>rarely charged though
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14:00<andythenorth_>supermop_home: how much would you allow in the budget? (For obsessing over lengths) ;)
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15:49<V453000>moar pixel pushing https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8511/signals-00.png
15:50<V453000>grid & starting signals
16:00<frosch123>poor pixels, don't push them around
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