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02:40<Eddi|zuHause>there's this weird effect where the decay of the "popular parties" makes the parliament much bigger than before
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03:01<Flygon>Bigger?....
03:01<Flygon>Here, it's just meant more third parties being elected.
03:01<Flygon>And continuous hung parliaments.
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07:30<__ln__>anyone started watching yet?
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07:57<__ln__>h W01
07:58<Wolf01>Moin
08:01<Wolf01>Mmmh I don't know why my tablet's store apps stop working after some minutes
08:02<Wolf01>All the other desktop apps work fine
08:06<__ln__>Wolf01: have you started watching the series already?
08:06<Wolf01>Which series?
08:06<__ln__>the brand new one.
08:08<Wolf01>Discovery?
08:08<__ln__>exactly
08:09<Wolf01>Not yet, I'm at half DS9 and then there's Voyager
08:09<__ln__>i see. good stuff coming at the second half of DS9.
08:10<__ln__>and then there's also Enterprise
08:10<Wolf01>Yes, also that
08:13<Wolf01>BTW, netflix has too many series, I would like more movies :(
08:16<__ln__>i would like to have more hours in a day for watching all of it
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08:58<Wolf01>Tablet is stuck at "preparing windows, do not turn off" for 40 minutes... I think I'll turn it off
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09:27<yorick_>is NML complete? can you do everything nfo can do without the equivalent of __asm__?
09:29<supermop_>nope
09:29<supermop_>cant do bridges, stations,
09:29<supermop_>maybe some other things
09:29<@planetmaker>I think the rest works
09:30<@planetmaker>I'm sad that it can't do bridges and stations yet :|
09:31<supermop_>stations are probably one of the things i'd most like to do
09:43<Alkel_U3>m4nfo looks less menacing than nfo and can do those but it doesn't seem to be as high-level as nml
09:45<Alkel_U3>still, 0A was the highest I reached with plain nfo
09:49<supermop_>finally drew 6th generation tram sprites last night
09:50<supermop_>rather, 5th
09:50<supermop_>so now 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th exist
10:05<supermop_>feel like i should make some special liveries
10:06<supermop_>but nrt is stalled and no one really uses the set
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10:30<@planetmaker>what's the issue with nrt?
10:31<Wolf01>Me
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11:15<@Alberth>o/
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11:23<supermop_>yo Alberth
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14:05<supermop_>drawing the 1st gen tram parts should be as simple as just getting rid of the window glass on the 2nd generation
14:06<supermop_>but here i am
14:07<supermop_>not doing it
14:07<supermop_>first parcel tram in 1925, not sure if i need an earlier one
14:54<@Alberth>sounds like a good starting point
14:55<@Alberth>but depends on when you like to play, given other newgrfs
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15:11<andythenorth>o/
15:11<Wolf01>o/
15:19<andythenorth>so before I look stupid on forums...
15:20<andythenorth>‘backwards compatibility’ seems to be somewhat misunderstand
15:20<andythenorth>misunderstood *
15:20<supermop_>yo andythenorth
15:21<andythenorth>a handful of people have formed the impression that it’s TTD-compatibility that’s the problem
15:21<andythenorth>and as we can run TTD in DOSBox, all is well
15:21<andythenorth>whereas
15:21<supermop_>do i need a parcel tram before 1925 or can dummy engines and wagons fill that niche?
15:21<andythenorth>what will really happen is that lovingly crafted OpenTTD savegames will break
15:21<andythenorth>supermop_: you need one from 1870
15:22<andythenorth>but it can be a steam engine with wagons
15:22<supermop_>im not convinced that i need to split types so early
15:22<supermop_>ie specialization as progress
15:23<andythenorth>use a goods tram
15:23*andythenorth doesn’t know what trams you have :)
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15:24<supermop_>currently only passenger, but i am drawing panelled off bodies
15:24<supermop_>like trams with no windows and big boxcar doors or roll doors
15:25<supermop_>the idea is to have a few trams that are ostensibly converted passenger trams, or purpose built on same platform, for city delivery and distribution of goods, mail, etc
15:26<supermop_>then to separately have a few steam dummies/diesel dockyard shunters etc as tramway locomotives
15:26<supermop_>that each carry a short rake or open wagons, lihe HEQs
15:27<andythenorth>I have many trams pictures now if you need any
15:27<andythenorth>‘prototype for everything’ game is well played
15:28<supermop_>less concerned whether parcel trams existed, more concerned if is there is a need to differentiate parcel tram vs tramway freight train so early
15:29<andythenorth>you just need one vehicle to carry mail
15:29<andythenorth>beyond that, doesn’t matter
15:29<andythenorth>there is always one mail tram needed, 20-60 bags, 20-60mph
15:30*andythenorth has opinions
15:30<TrueBrain>omg, remove those
15:30<TrueBrain>quick
15:30<TrueBrain>$inject andythenorth; remove opinions; execute
15:30<andythenorth>fair
15:30<andythenorth>is TrueBrain
15:31<andythenorth>rare
15:31<TrueBrain>one, maybe several in existance
15:31<TrueBrain>so yeah, rare
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15:42<supermop_>andythenorth: trying for sort-of comeng look for gen 5: https://imgur.com/a/DRRIc
15:43<supermop_>early 80s through mid 90s
15:47<andythenorth>supermop_: more contrast? oO_
15:47<andythenorth>o_O
15:47<supermop_>yeah
15:47<supermop_>could use less cc
15:47<supermop_>white with stripes could help
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15:48<supermop_>http://www.yarratrams.com.au/media/136160/b-class_hero_800x340.jpg
15:48<supermop_>modern livery
15:48<supermop_>http://train-photos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/5016.jpg
15:49<supermop_>early 00's
15:49<supermop_>original: http://www.railpage.org.au/tram/images/b2.jpg
15:49<supermop_>was sort of inspired by original, but then decide to make cab ends more 2cc
15:50<andythenorth>I would reduce dither in favour of block shapes
15:50<andythenorth>and increase window contrast per 4px of window
15:51<andythenorth>also…such horse http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8639/horse_tank_cars.png
15:51<supermop_>what about posts between windows?
15:52<supermop_>damn those are nice tanks
15:52<supermop_>i should steal them
15:52<andythenorth>they were pikka's
15:52<andythenorth>I have...adjusted
15:52<andythenorth>quite pleased with the tug as well
15:54<supermop_>never saw this livery: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/M-Tram.jpg/220px-M-Tram.jpg
15:54<andythenorth>swoosh
15:55<andythenorth>so 10/8 articulated vans then? http://petertandy.co.uk/37402+669_birch_21105.jpg
15:55<andythenorth>that would mess with lengths :P
15:55*andythenorth is tempted to do something 10/8 just for the brain-ache
15:58<supermop_>nice looking 37 in front
15:58<supermop_>does that train really need to be double headed?
16:01<andythenorth>insurance against breakdowns :P
16:05<supermop_>doesn't look like a flask train
16:11<andythenorth>trains don’t make money
16:11<andythenorth>http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_08_2013/post-13979-0-34867500-1376215927.jpg
16:11<andythenorth>330 mile journey, one van
16:12<supermop_>nice
16:13<supermop_>there is nothing smaller in the stable?
16:13<supermop_>class 20?
16:36<V453000>I have been gone for the last 2 days, andy's progress: still looking at pictures :P
16:37<V453000>ah them tankers
16:53<supermop_>so, less dithering?
16:56<andythenorth>likely
16:57<andythenorth>dithering is used to break up the boundary between large areas of adjacent hue
16:57<andythenorth>otherwise better not to
16:57<andythenorth>tends to fight against shading
16:57*andythenorth failing at drawing this https://photos.smugmug.com/UKRailRollingstock/H/HAA-merry-go-round-coal/i-Nss7jTz/0/a6d4325d/L/HAA_353669_WashwoodHeath_230404-L.jpg
16:58<andythenorth>pikka didn’t win either, looking at UKRS 2
17:01<V453000>I think I tried that at some point as well
17:01<V453000>apparently not even in nuts
17:14<andythenorth>also bedtime
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